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Forum: Engine/Drivetrain/Suspension Parts for Sale
07-17-2023, 09:55 AM
Replies: 0
Views: 345
Posted By Bills87IROC

(MO) NIB Edelbrock 60879 Cylinder Heads

Brand new set of Edelbrock 60879 cylinder heads.

$1600 obo

located in Lathrop, MO 64465

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/edl-60879

...
Forum: Tech / General Engine
05-08-2023, 02:19 PM
Replies: 49
Views: 3,144
Posted By Bills87IROC

Re: LS Firing Order in OE Roller SBC

You obviously don’t if you don’t even know retrofit cams are small base circle cams…

Thats engine building 101…

Yeah, you know sooo much! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Forum: Tech / General Engine
05-08-2023, 02:05 PM
Replies: 49
Views: 3,144
Posted By Bills87IROC

Re: LS Firing Order in OE Roller SBC

Why don’t you go back up to Sonic and brag to all the high school kids about your vast knowledge…

Maybe you all can get your Fast and Furious coloring books out and compare notes…

Still waiting...
Forum: Tech / General Engine
05-08-2023, 01:48 PM
Replies: 49
Views: 3,144
Posted By Bills87IROC

Re: LS Firing Order in OE Roller SBC

Do you know the definition of irony???

If you had any functioning neurons between your ears, you wouldn’t have suggested trying to run OE rollers on a small base circle cam…

Making a stupid...
Forum: Tech / General Engine
05-08-2023, 01:40 PM
Replies: 49
Views: 3,144
Posted By Bills87IROC

Re: LS Firing Order in OE Roller SBC

I don’t know how many times I need to explain this but I don’t care about putting OE rollers on a retrofit cam. I asked a question and it was rhetorical. It may indeed work but I doubt it.

The...
Forum: Tech / General Engine
05-08-2023, 01:27 PM
Replies: 49
Views: 3,144
Posted By Bills87IROC

Re: LS Firing Order in OE Roller SBC

Look numbnuts, I don’t know why you’re such a prick, but here’s the deal.

Why I’m God’s name do you think they came up with link bar lifters???

Because they needed something to keep the lifters...
Forum: Tech / General Engine
05-08-2023, 01:07 PM
Replies: 49
Views: 3,144
Posted By Bills87IROC

Re: LS Firing Order in OE Roller SBC

And I said, if you’re that freaking curious, CALL COMP or HOWARDS..

It’s not .005” difference, smartass..

It’s OBVIOUS by looking at the cam that the base circle is SIGNIFICANTLY smaller… and...
Forum: Tech / General Engine
05-08-2023, 01:03 PM
Replies: 49
Views: 3,144
Posted By Bills87IROC

Re: LS Firing Order in OE Roller SBC

I posted the info from Comp and you said “specialized” and kept asking the dimension like you don’t believe what’s posted.

I don’t care about the dimension nor do I care about trying to use OE...
Forum: Tech / General Engine
05-08-2023, 12:16 PM
Replies: 49
Views: 3,144
Posted By Bills87IROC

Re: LS Firing Order in OE Roller SBC

Hell if I know.. Call them and ask them lol. I’ve never measured it. It’s obvious from just looking at them that it’s smaller. The base of the lobe is almost even with the shaft.

So you want to...
Forum: Tech / General Engine
05-08-2023, 12:01 PM
Replies: 49
Views: 3,144
Posted By Bills87IROC

Re: LS Firing Order in OE Roller SBC

Here it is straight from Comp Cams…

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.thirdgen.org-vbulletin/920x2000/543108f3_fbfb_43d5_a101_ae8a74956841_d8e78a0c3dda9dc5a5377b888923829ed81c1e18.png
Forum: Tech / General Engine
05-08-2023, 11:58 AM
Replies: 49
Views: 3,144
Posted By Bills87IROC

Re: LS Firing Order in OE Roller SBC

I thought it was common knowledge.
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.thirdgen.org-vbulletin/920x2000/7a97a1b9_7c5b_4cc4_8810_f03a197fbf12_8e9d66708db81c40db0a6e7d433cc8d2874fe396.png
Forum: Tech / General Engine
05-08-2023, 11:55 AM
Replies: 49
Views: 3,144
Posted By Bills87IROC

Re: LS Firing Order in OE Roller SBC

They make small base circle cams for strokers, yes, but retro fit cams also have a reduced base circle.
Forum: Tech / General Engine
05-08-2023, 11:54 AM
Replies: 49
Views: 3,144
Posted By Bills87IROC

Re: LS Firing Order in OE Roller SBC

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.thirdgen.org-vbulletin/1170x1840/ddd21b09_2eaf_4665_bfca_32017a07747b_31692c982ee694f46e7a6d73e11882ec6cc12868.jpeg
Forum: Tech / General Engine
05-08-2023, 11:47 AM
Replies: 49
Views: 3,144
Posted By Bills87IROC

Re: LS Firing Order in OE Roller SBC

I don’t know how you haven’t noticed, lol. It’s obvious when you pull it out of the box…
Forum: Tech / General Engine
05-08-2023, 11:34 AM
Replies: 49
Views: 3,144
Posted By Bills87IROC

Re: LS Firing Order in OE Roller SBC

Every single retro fit camshaft I’ve ever bought from Comp or Howards had a reduced base circle. It says it right in the description.
...
Forum: Tech / General Engine
05-08-2023, 11:06 AM
Replies: 49
Views: 3,144
Posted By Bills87IROC

Re: LS Firing Order in OE Roller SBC

A retrofit cam has a smaller base circle…
Forum: Tech / General Engine
05-07-2023, 04:24 PM
Replies: 49
Views: 3,144
Posted By Bills87IROC

Re: LS Firing Order in OE Roller SBC

Will that work? Won't the lifters drop down too far to use the OE dog bones?
Forum: Tech / General Engine
05-03-2023, 08:51 PM
Replies: 49
Views: 3,144
Posted By Bills87IROC

Re: LS Firing Order in OE Roller SBC

If you're dead set on the LS firing order, just run the retrofit cam, matching lifters, longer pushrods, an old style timing chain and a cam button. I know that's considerably more expensive but...
Forum: Tech / General Engine
05-02-2023, 04:36 PM
Replies: 49
Views: 3,144
Posted By Bills87IROC

Re: LS Firing Order in OE Roller SBC

Summit has SBC roller cams with the LS firing order.

https://www.summitracing.com/search/part-type/camshafts/product-line/summit-racing-pro-sbc-ls-firing-order-hydraulic-roller-camshafts
Forum: Engine Swap
04-22-2023, 09:50 PM
Replies: 16
Views: 557
Posted By Bills87IROC

Re: 400 sbc hone

i had the exact same thing happen to me when I ordered a lifter bore hone.

Fedex says it was delivered...

It wasn't delivered here...

Fedex says the name on the package isn't even my name so...
Forum: Carburetors
03-15-2023, 07:22 PM
Replies: 9
Views: 447
Posted By Bills87IROC

Re: Bogging and bucking under load

Sounds ignition related to me. Need to make sure the weights aren't frozen up or sticking under the rotor in the distributor.
Forum: Tech / General Engine
12-20-2022, 11:37 AM
Replies: 18
Views: 3,088
Posted By Bills87IROC

Re: Head bolt warning!

Ok, just got off the phone with a guy at Fel-Pro.

His exact words to me were "all bolts are torque to yield" which I guess I agree with because all bolts can be torqued to permanent deformation. ...
Forum: Tech / General Engine
12-20-2022, 02:31 AM
Replies: 28
Views: 782
Posted By Bills87IROC

Re: Theoretical engine build

Yep, he said he's got an L98 but I guess that could change. I've had good luck with the Trick Flow 175's on 305 based engines but that was a long time ago when they weren't so expensive.
Forum: Tech / General Engine
12-20-2022, 02:25 AM
Replies: 146
Views: 8,315
Posted By Bills87IROC

Re: Factory Vortec Head Bolts ARE TTY

I'm not sure about what's being supplied NOW. What I have been referring to are the factory bolts outlined in the AERA bulletin.

Boot posted a screen shot from Felpro about a certain bolt kit.
...
Forum: Tech / General Engine
12-20-2022, 02:17 AM
Replies: 146
Views: 8,315
Posted By Bills87IROC

Re: Factory Vortec Head Bolts ARE TTY

So explain the new ones snapping...

Was the Ghost of Christmas Past secretly heat cycling and stretching them before they were packaged for sale???
Forum: Tech / General Engine
12-20-2022, 02:09 AM
Replies: 146
Views: 8,315
Posted By Bills87IROC

Re: Factory Vortec Head Bolts ARE TTY

All I hear is Blah Blah Blah, kinda like Charlie Brown's teacher.

If you knew WTF you were doing, you wouldn't be snapping off head bolts... lol
Forum: Tech / General Engine
12-20-2022, 02:05 AM
Replies: 146
Views: 8,315
Posted By Bills87IROC

Re: Factory Vortec Head Bolts ARE TTY

Oh I believe you! lol
Forum: Tech / General Engine
12-20-2022, 02:04 AM
Replies: 146
Views: 8,315
Posted By Bills87IROC

Re: Factory Vortec Head Bolts ARE TTY

Well, I've said what I needed to say. It's pretty clear what's been going on and why certain people have been snapping bolts that are strong enough to lift cars off the ground.
Forum: Tech / General Engine
12-20-2022, 02:02 AM
Replies: 146
Views: 8,315
Posted By Bills87IROC

Re: Factory Vortec Head Bolts ARE TTY

And I'd bet $1000 you lubed up the washer to head face too but won't admit it because now you know it'll throw off the readings, you'll over-torque the bolt and it'll snap, lol.
Forum: Tech / General Engine
12-20-2022, 01:59 AM
Replies: 146
Views: 8,315
Posted By Bills87IROC

Re: Factory Vortec Head Bolts ARE TTY

Except that's not the issue here. I don't think anyone is advocating for reusing TTY bolts.
Forum: Tech / General Engine
12-20-2022, 01:49 AM
Replies: 146
Views: 8,315
Posted By Bills87IROC

Re: Factory Vortec Head Bolts ARE TTY

Again, IF and I STRESS "IF" those bolts were stretched, the threads or shank would have been DISTORTED.

If you used DISTORTED bolts, that's IMPROPER ASSEMBLY.

And yes, ARP supplies a little...
Forum: Tech / General Engine
12-20-2022, 01:47 AM
Replies: 146
Views: 8,315
Posted By Bills87IROC

Re: Factory Vortec Head Bolts ARE TTY

Again, we have a reading comprehension issue here...

You lube between the head of the bolt and the washer but not the washer to the head...

If the washer spins, it throws off the torque...
Forum: Tech / General Engine
12-20-2022, 01:28 AM
Replies: 146
Views: 8,315
Posted By Bills87IROC

Re: Factory Vortec Head Bolts ARE TTY

Oh, it's obvious you're an expert.

You break **** right and left and don't know how to properly lube head bolts and keep on twisting them until they snap and then blame the parts!

Those are...
Forum: Tech / General Engine
12-20-2022, 01:23 AM
Replies: 146
Views: 8,315
Posted By Bills87IROC

Re: Factory Vortec Head Bolts ARE TTY

Sure Jan...

I'll take things that never happened for $400, Alex.

You've already revealed the issue... You don't know what you're doing, lol.

If they were actually stretched, the threads or...
Forum: Tech / General Engine
12-20-2022, 01:15 AM
Replies: 146
Views: 8,315
Posted By Bills87IROC

Re: Factory Vortec Head Bolts ARE TTY

I don't need to see anything. You've already revealed why you're snapping bolts.. INCORRECT assembly procedure.

No wonder you're breaking them.

Even ARP was seeing failures because people were...
Forum: Tech / General Engine
12-20-2022, 01:10 AM
Replies: 146
Views: 8,315
Posted By Bills87IROC

Re: Factory Vortec Head Bolts ARE TTY

If those washers are lubed, they act like bearings and you are severely stressing the bolt...

That's why Felpro and the AERA have gone to Torque To Angle on certain bolts.

If you are relying on...
Forum: Tech / General Engine
12-20-2022, 01:02 AM
Replies: 146
Views: 8,315
Posted By Bills87IROC

Re: Factory Vortec Head Bolts ARE TTY

The AERA says the following:

"The cylinder head mounting bolts may be reused if they are not damaged in the threads or show neck-down or stretch condition. The bolts should be thoroughly cleaned...
Forum: Tech / General Engine
12-20-2022, 12:51 AM
Replies: 146
Views: 8,315
Posted By Bills87IROC

Re: Factory Vortec Head Bolts ARE TTY

Never, ever broken a head bolt reusing a factory vortec head bolt.

Have I reused head bolts from severely overheated engines? No. Those aren't even good cores for rebuilding since the heads are...
Forum: Tech / General Engine
12-20-2022, 12:24 AM
Replies: 146
Views: 8,315
Posted By Bills87IROC

Re: Factory Vortec Head Bolts ARE TTY

Reusing bolts that are NOT torque to yield isn't being a "hack".

From what you've said previously, even the main bolts are 1 time use and that is ridiculous.
Forum: Tech / General Engine
12-20-2022, 12:20 AM
Replies: 146
Views: 8,315
Posted By Bills87IROC

Re: Factory Vortec Head Bolts ARE TTY

And you'd think that being in business since 1985, and rebuilding these Vortec motors since the early 2000's when they started getting miles on them, we would have had numerous head gasket issues but...
Forum: Tech / General Engine
12-19-2022, 11:54 PM
Replies: 146
Views: 8,315
Posted By Bills87IROC

Re: Factory Vortec Head Bolts ARE TTY

You know what, you're probably right. You know more than the engineers that do all the testing and come up with the procedures followed by the automotive industry.
Forum: Tech / General Engine
12-19-2022, 11:52 PM
Replies: 146
Views: 8,315
Posted By Bills87IROC

Re: Factory Vortec Head Bolts ARE TTY

In 20+ years of rebuilding probably 1000+ Vortec 305's and 350's, I've yet to experience what you're saying, but then again, I'm talking factory stuff from 96/99 trucks but there have been a few...
Forum: Tech / General Engine
12-19-2022, 11:42 PM
Replies: 43
Views: 1,149
Posted By Bills87IROC

Re: I want to remove old gas from tank

If your sending unit isn't working right, it's bad and that needs to be fixed so just pull the tank, drain it, inspect it for rust and then replace the sending unit and reinstall the tank.

If the...
Forum: Tech / General Engine
12-19-2022, 11:34 PM
Replies: 146
Views: 8,315
Posted By Bills87IROC

Re: Factory Vortec Head Bolts ARE TTY

I don't recall ever saying it was. 99% of the vortec engines people pull are from 96/99 trucks. Rarely are they pulled from vans because they're such a PITA.

If you're going to make a blanket...
Forum: Tech / General Engine
12-19-2022, 11:25 PM
Replies: 146
Views: 8,315
Posted By Bills87IROC

Re: Factory Vortec Head Bolts ARE TTY

So, like I've been saying all along, the factory Vortec bolts are NOT TTY...

Thanks for the clarification.

It's also interesting that these bolts are snapping right and left when people have...
Forum: Tech / General Engine
12-19-2022, 10:56 PM
Replies: 28
Views: 782
Posted By Bills87IROC

Re: Theoretical engine build

If you're willing to spend the money on a blower, don't skimp and use the stock heads. A decent set of aftermarket heads can be bought for less than a grand. It'll be night and day difference.
Forum: Tech / General Engine
12-19-2022, 09:14 PM
Replies: 146
Views: 8,315
Posted By Bills87IROC

Re: Factory Vortec Head Bolts ARE TTY

I love how people quote someone from GM and assumptions on the internet means "PERIOD END OF STORY" when it directly contradicts the engineers from the AERA that come up with procedures and the...
Forum: Tech / General Engine
12-18-2022, 03:00 AM
Replies: 146
Views: 8,315
Posted By Bills87IROC

Re: Factory Vortec Head Bolts ARE TTY

Except they're not, lol

I don't know what part of the AERA Technical Committee's statement you don't understand...

Now you're trying to say the Main bolts are TTY???
Forum: Tech / General Engine
12-18-2022, 02:52 AM
Replies: 146
Views: 8,315
Posted By Bills87IROC

Re: Factory Vortec Head Bolts ARE TTY

This is where the confusion comes from. People assume bolts are TTY when they're actually TTA like the Felpro and Engine Builder articles state.

And yes, the TTA method is a much better way of...
Forum: Tech / General Engine
12-18-2022, 02:36 AM
Replies: 146
Views: 8,315
Posted By Bills87IROC

Re: Factory Vortec Head Bolts ARE TTY

What you need to do is actually mic the shanks and see if they're actually distorted. Even then, that doesn't mean they're torque to yield.

That just means they've been stretched beyond their...
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