FireInMe17

Please elaborate =p

FireInMe17

Yes, thats pretty much it in a nutshell. Just with any other engine, these things would be awesome except for they can't breathe. Its like they have asthma.

So by a performance grind you mean just opening up the intake and exhaust ports in the heads so increase flow overall?

FireInMe17

Will do, thanks again.

GTA50

Yes.

FireInMe17

Alright, looking back at what you said I feel dumb for asking haha thanks!

GTA50

No problema (or en Francais, pas de probleme). The key thing is that the questions are now getting proper answers. That is where this site does good.

FireInMe17

YES! I really appreciated it!

Six-Shooter, if you want to, maybe we can talk about tuning later on, but not yet. I'm not anywhere near there.

GTA50

Now to throw a wrench into the works, after having done the top-end, you should look at the bottom end - bearings and such.

TomP

$1000?? What did the machine shop say when you called and asked for prices on machine work, head/valve work, and engine rebuild kit?

Six_Shooter

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LOL, I was thinking the same as you are, unless he has an in with a machine shop like I do, that will eat up pretty much the labour.

With a $1000 budget, bolt ons an tuning are the best bang for the buck. Headers, exhaust (Which will eat a majority right there), better flowing intake (meaning from the air filter to the throttle body, and then tune for the changes will net you the best results for that budget.

FireInMe17

My friend with the Mustang rebuilt his engine for less than $500, and that includes the cost of buying another engine.

Six_Shooter

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I think your friend is lieing to you. A gasket set for a 302 is going to cost half that, using quality gaskets anyway. Then other parts and machine work will add up very quickly.

batsibf

good luck witht that I have been looking and a 3.4l remanufactured is $1200.
The last time I rebuilt an engine ( around 20 years ago) I'm thinking the machine alone was 1000 and I had the engine all ready.

FireInMe17

Well his old 302 had metal gaskets, so he saved a lot there, but the engine was half the cost and really the only problem we had with doing it was getting the accessories reinstalled, haha.

Project 3.4 Camaro

Something to realize here is from the sound of it, your friend probably did all the work himself, machine shops are pricey trust me. As far as cars go, I prefer to always do the work myself if possible....spending money on parts/upgrades>spending money on labor.

FireInMe17

We didn't machine anything. Nothing. Zip, nada.

FireInMe17

Just found this, its off a 96 WS6 but it still proves the same point.

http://www.ws6.com/mod-1.htm

project89

iTrader: (1)

a good gasket set for a 6/60 is around 250 bucks alone, throw another 60 bucks for cam rod and main bearings,100 bucks for rings,100 bucks for pistons,200 bucks for cam, springs/locks retianers. and u still havent paid for any machine work i.e bore/hone/hot tanking, and u still havent added in the cost to rebuild the heads and get new headbolts.

and ur already at 710 bucks give or take

Project 3.4 Camaro

Btw fire, if you wind up selling that t5 let me know, if I'm in a decent financial situation at the time I'd probably buy it off you. Well...that and if I have my plethora of issues sorted out....pretty much any sane person would have given up on my car a LONG time ago....

firebird904

I don't know if this will help or not but you can get a stock master rebuild kit for around 500 bucks from here http://northernautoparts.com/Product...?ProductId=442

project89

iTrader: (1)

while that kit is pretty cheap u can piece together a much better kit for only slightly more, those kist come with basic rebuilder gasketes and parts.

FireInMe17

Just sold it a few hours ago for 100 bucks

FireInMe17

I mean i still have it but one of my friends wanted it so I'm selling it to him for almost nothing. If he ends up not wanting it you can make me an offer.

bl85c

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Bah, this encouragement is criminal. I think everyone needs to stop this right now before he gets the idea that he won't be throwing a grand in the pooper by rebuilding this thing without improving it much.

FireInMe17

I think I'm over all the naysayers here, I know that what I want to do to it will give me the gains I'm looking for. I can get help elsewhere if it gets bad enough here.

Like I said before, I'm not looking to make a monster, I'm just looking to get a little bit more out of it, and give it a good clean start over.

Six_Shooter

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If he doesn't try for a rebuild and does things that will help, he will be spending it in the right places.

Don't you think it would be better to be upfront about costs, instead of letting him start the project only to find that it will cost him much more than he had anticipated on?

No wait, lets convince him that he can rebuild it for $3.98, gaining 400 HP, and then when reality sets in, it can be another one of those unfinished project cars for sale, that someone can get a steal of a deal on, and finish it.

FireInMe17

Theres one thing that I absolutely know for sure, this car is not getting sold anytime soon. I will go to the grave with the keys in my hand.

Six_Shooter

iTrader: (2)

That's not considered a rebuild then....

FireInMe17

Its close enough considering that we did the whole thing from the block up pretty much and put in a nice T5 and rewired it and took it all out and put it all back in, and finally got it back on the road.

Thats what I consider a rebuild. Don't get me wrong, we didn't machine or hot tank anything. But we did do A LOT of work on his car together. And we did it in 2 weekends non stop almost.

bl85c

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Ugh, come on man! It's not that we're naysayers, if you're going to put money into it why not get your money's worth?

That $3.98 400hp rebuild sounds pretty sweet. Is that anything like an electric blower kit? Oh wait, you can't get a hairdryer & duct tape that cheap.

FireInMe17

I don't really mean naysayers, but you get what I meant. I'm going to get my moneys worth.

Any day of the week, I'd rather take a clean, good running engine over a dirty one putting down serious power thats got its own fair share of problems.

Project 3.4 Camaro

Ahaha, I say pretty much the same thing all the time when people ask why I don't just sell my car after all the issues its had/has and the fact that its a v6....if someone wants my Camaro, they are going to have to pry my cold dead hands off the steering wheel and drag my skeleton out of the seat.

FireInMe17

I joke around with my friends saying that I'll save my family money when I pass, I tell them that instead of getting a coffin, I'm going to be buried in my car haha.

TomP

Agreed.

A rebuild = machine work, new parts, etc. What you want to do would be referred to as a teardown & inspection; not a rebuild. I guess for the past four pages, we've all been talking about two different things this whole time. But then again I'm probably one of those naysayers you're talking about, so I'll just go back to my own garage for now

FireInMe17

re·build
[ree-bild]
verb, -built or ( Archaic ) -build·ed; -build·ing.
–verb (used with object)
1.
to repair, esp. to dismantle and reassemble with new parts: to rebuild an old car.

Oh well, at least were all on the same page now

Pillsbry10

iTrader: (1)

So u want this awesome clean better preforming motor but your not going to hot tank it... Makes sense

While we are listing definitions


Idiot
An idiot, dolt, or dullard is a mentally deficient person, or someone who acts in a self-defeating or significantly counterproductive way. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot

"we" are all on the same page, the jury is still out on if your on it

Pillsbry10

iTrader: (1)

Build it the wayyou want and it'll have more problems than my "drag turbo camaro" with 90,000 miles on it your best to leave it alone and do regular maintnence and tune ups

FireInMe17

You and I both know that theres more than one way to clean things. I can clean it myself and do just as good a job as letting it sit in a hot tank would do.

Six_Shooter

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FireInMe17

bl85c

iTrader: (2)

Hee hee, motivational posters are fun. Esp. when people argue with them.

Six_Shooter

iTrader: (2)

The funnier part is that he really believes what he says.

Pillsbry10

iTrader: (1)

ha ha ha ha ha i think we should just use those posters from now on

FireInMe17

Seriously, I'm done. If the rest of you guys are just going to be *******s about things, then I guess its time for me to leave.

Six_Shooter

iTrader: (2)

This is funny....

It's funny because you think you already know everything, yet people who know more suggest something, such as hot tanking, which it is obvious you don't understand what hot tanking really does.

--==EDIT==--

FireInMe17

Hmmm....well maybe if everyone wasn't being an *** about things then maybe I would know what hot tanking does and why its so damn important that I pay someone to do my own work for me.

And before you go off and assume that I really do think I know everything and just posted this thread to mess with all of you, and before you all assume that I'm going to get an old tooth brush and start scrubbing down all my parts, that maybe I decided that instead of paying someone to hot tank my parts that I decided to make myself my own hot tank. I've seen it done before, and it does work just as well doing it yourself, and THAT is the other way of cleaning things.

Now before you start rolling to and fro with such hearty guffaws again, maybe you should stop and think about things instead of just assuming. And making yourself to be an ***.

Every time someone suggests something, I'm not arguing about why it should be different, I'm trying to ask questions to understand why it has to be that way. Remember, I don't know about rebuilding and since you yourself have worked on just dozens of these engines, then maybe you can remember the first time that you tore one down and found yourself asking questions, and put yourself in my shoes for two seconds instead of making me look like a drooling idiot every time I say something. But it doesn't matter now. I'll figure it out by myself.

Six_Shooter

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Naw, I'll use this one:


In every reply that you say you're "asking questions" you ARE being combatant, and more than implying you know a better way to do things.

If you do, great, just FO and do it, we don't care.

We started off by trying to suggest to you better ways to do things that we, as a community and individuals have learned by doing it ourselves, and wasting our own money, and through successes. Now we are just trying to see how dumb you really are, or rather much you think you know, it's good for a hearty laugh.



The difference between when I was learning and you now, is that I actually listened to others, and that was mostly before the days of the interweebnetz. I also did a LOT of reading, to discover on my own proper techniques to do things and why they are/were done the way they are/were.

Really, it would likely be best for everyone involved if you just went on your merry way, and followed your Mustang friends "advice", since you seem to hold him in high regard.

JT

iTrader: (1)

Since this thread was reported today, despite it hasn't been active since yesterday morning, I'll close this thread and offer a warning/advise.

Both sides contributed to this. When a member posts on this forum asking for technical advise, they're likely going to receive such advise. For the best outcome, especially for a member who may not have the experience or knowledge developed (yet), the member should be willing to listen to this technical advise, perhaps ask questions, and then weigh information. In this thread, it appears to me that was not exactly what occurred. On the other side, posting offensive or insulting messages, as well as some of the images above, does not help the situation and could lead to moderation if it violates our guidelines.