The ultimate iron headed turbocharging guide
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Re: The ultimate iron headed turbocharging guide
thats prolly why it feels slow its hitting really soft, instead of a nice solid hit at launch
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I was foot braking it the last time at the track, according to the datalogs i hit 3400 RPM before the car started rolling, less than 1/2 sec after it hit 4K. This converter is pretty loose, it'll flash to 4500 on the street.
The logs show it's hitting ~4600 after the 7K shifts, finishing off in 3rd at about 5500.
The logs show it's hitting ~4600 after the 7K shifts, finishing off in 3rd at about 5500.
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Where'd he get a 4 k stall convet at??? Man I need one or theses badly...lmao
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but id still go the th350 route it will be faster( less drivetrain loss and better gears) npot to mention options for reversemanual vb and transbrake
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Re: The ultimate iron headed turbocharging guide
Revmax built the converter for me. It was about $350 plus i had it re-stalled once for another $175
I agree, no 700R4.. too many problems. It's nice to have that 4th gear on the highway though.
you can see how soft the launch is in the vid i posted in my thread.
I agree, no 700R4.. too many problems. It's nice to have that 4th gear on the highway though.
you can see how soft the launch is in the vid i posted in my thread.
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Re: The ultimate iron headed turbocharging guide
i agree gforce t5 or do a t56 swap with the speedway motors adapter and a spec stage 3 or 3+ clutch
4l80 i think is to hefty to put behind the v6 more drivetrain loss then even the 700r4
2004r would be a nice swap for him though, nice rebuild/converter and manual transbrake
4l80 i think is to hefty to put behind the v6 more drivetrain loss then even the 700r4
2004r would be a nice swap for him though, nice rebuild/converter and manual transbrake
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If i leave the 700R4 in Drive it's dead consistent going down the track, It's about 1 sec slower than if i manually shift it though.
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Re: The ultimate iron headed turbocharging guide
I did notice too that when I manually shifted my car it was faster also. Not 1 second but a good 2-5 tenths on average. But I had a stock trans, no shift kit or anything. Just a el cheepo 2800 adv. stall converter. I try not to shift it manually though. 1. its more inconsistant like you said, and 2. that damm turbo will keep pulling even with the 6k rpms so its tempting to rev it high since sometimes i swear that engine liked it.
If I could find someone to stall that thing I would. The only places i can find are so far away that the shipping would cost as much as the stall. Having 2 trans now that have low miles on them it is tempting to work those becaue of the 4th gear alone. Love driving it arround but still a th350 is probly going to be the goal later on in the winter/spring.
If I could find someone to stall that thing I would. The only places i can find are so far away that the shipping would cost as much as the stall. Having 2 trans now that have low miles on them it is tempting to work those becaue of the 4th gear alone. Love driving it arround but still a th350 is probly going to be the goal later on in the winter/spring.
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Re: The ultimate iron headed turbocharging guide
IIRC it was around $25 to ship mine to them the last time, i just made sure it was drained and double bagged in good trash bags, then packed well.
I don't know if they'd re-stall a stock unit but it wouldn't hurt to ask. http://www.revmaxconverters.com/
my tach has a built in shift light but i never use it, i just watch the needle and ratchet to the next gear a hair before 7K. My limiter is 7009 RPM and i rarely hit it. The Megashifter helps a lot.
I don't know if they'd re-stall a stock unit but it wouldn't hurt to ask. http://www.revmaxconverters.com/
my tach has a built in shift light but i never use it, i just watch the needle and ratchet to the next gear a hair before 7K. My limiter is 7009 RPM and i rarely hit it. The Megashifter helps a lot.
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Re: The ultimate iron headed turbocharging guide
I generally don't believe those calculators, the turbo wide body e30 makes 357whp, weighs 2160lb wet, traps 117@12.3, but only has a 2.1 60' due to the IRS. The calculator in the link below says the car should only be making 270whp based on trap speed and 180whp based on ET.
Enter in Lee's numbers of 3400lb, 12.4et and 105 trap speed and see if the calculator says you can go low 12's with 275whp
http://www.competitiondiesel.com/Phil/bg/
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Car: 89 RS 89 iroc 87 firebird
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Transmission: a4 w/ 4500 stall/ a4 / t5
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Re: The ultimate iron headed turbocharging guide
It won't? How do you explain Lee's times then? His car is on a diet and weighs less than 3500, but still, proof is in the pudding - he runs consistent low 12's in that cam only car. He is allowed headers, but was running the 3800 tubular manifolds.
I generally don't believe those calculators, the turbo wide body e30 makes 357whp, weighs 2160lb wet, traps 117@12.3, but only has a 2.1 60' due to the IRS. The calculator in the link below says the car should only be making 270whp based on trap speed and 180whp based on ET.
Enter in Lee's numbers of 3400lb, 12.4et and 105 trap speed and see if the calculator says you can go low 12's with 275whp
http://www.competitiondiesel.com/Phil/bg/
I generally don't believe those calculators, the turbo wide body e30 makes 357whp, weighs 2160lb wet, traps 117@12.3, but only has a 2.1 60' due to the IRS. The calculator in the link below says the car should only be making 270whp based on trap speed and 180whp based on ET.
Enter in Lee's numbers of 3400lb, 12.4et and 105 trap speed and see if the calculator says you can go low 12's with 275whp
http://www.competitiondiesel.com/Phil/bg/
all dynos are different so if one says hes making 275 wheel hp and he goes that fast another might say 325whp
now and actual engine dyno would give a much more accurate number
when i dynoed 275/370 hp/tq i went back and ran the car as was on the dyno i iirc the best pass was a 13.00 maybe even just cracked the 12's.
it wasnt until i actually fixed the ignition system and got my afrs in check after the dynpo that the car went low 12's and i know it picked up a ton of power once i got the issues sorted
chassi plays alot with times to put a bad *** engine in a stock suspension car without frame connectors cage etc etc and its not going to run what it should.
have a car thats really setup suspension wise and any engine will make it fly ( not fly but u get my point )
god how i would love to have a 2160 pound f-body lol but we all know that would never happen
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Re: The ultimate iron headed turbocharging guide
Necropost here, But......
Hey Dave, what exhaust housing would I use on this turbo? A standard T3 60-80 AR?
How about the housing off my current ****ed turbo?
Or point me in the direction of the housing I would need to spool this baby up around 2500-2800 RPMS? One thatll work well on the 2.8 till it dies, then work well on the 3.4?
Hey Dave, what exhaust housing would I use on this turbo? A standard T3 60-80 AR?
How about the housing off my current ****ed turbo?
Or point me in the direction of the housing I would need to spool this baby up around 2500-2800 RPMS? One thatll work well on the 2.8 till it dies, then work well on the 3.4?
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Re: The ultimate iron headed turbocharging guide
Based on what Ducky said was on the tag its probably this one.
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Part Number: FC3S / FD3S
Serial Number: KD0902499
This is the listing I found:
Brand New - T04B Turbo Charger AR60 T4*
Turbo Specification:*
Maximum Horse Power*350 HP*
Type of Cooling Oil Cooled*
Inlet Size 3"*
Outlet Size 2"*
Type of Bearing WET FLOAT BEARINGS*
Oil inlet Size 1/8 NTP*
Maximum PSI Capacity 30 PSI*
Compressor .60 AR Compressor*
Compressor Wheel Exducer: 69.31mm, Inducer: 53.90mm
Turbine 1.15 AR Turbine*
Turbine Wheel Inducer: 73.89mm , Exducer: 63.98mm*
Type of Flange T4 (Twin scroll turbine housing)*
Type of*Down*Pipe*Flange 3" v-band*
Pic of flange
Part Number: FC3S / FD3S
Serial Number: KD0902499
This is the listing I found:
Brand New - T04B Turbo Charger AR60 T4*
Turbo Specification:*
Maximum Horse Power*350 HP*
Type of Cooling Oil Cooled*
Inlet Size 3"*
Outlet Size 2"*
Type of Bearing WET FLOAT BEARINGS*
Oil inlet Size 1/8 NTP*
Maximum PSI Capacity 30 PSI*
Compressor .60 AR Compressor*
Compressor Wheel Exducer: 69.31mm, Inducer: 53.90mm
Turbine 1.15 AR Turbine*
Turbine Wheel Inducer: 73.89mm , Exducer: 63.98mm*
Type of Flange T4 (Twin scroll turbine housing)*
Type of*Down*Pipe*Flange 3" v-band*
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Re: The ultimate iron headed turbocharging guide
thats right it was the turbo they sold to the rotary guys
at most its 60mm wheel on the compressor but im pretty sure its the same wheel fastedi started out with on his car , i.e the same compressors i had as twins on my iroc
the difference is that has a t4 hotside instead of being a t3/t4
before u spend any money on a housing bolt it on andblock off the turbine side closest to the outlet , this effectivly cuts the ar in half , i do not rember if those turbos have the p-trim wheels in them if they do even with the smallest t4 housing its going to lag
more then likley best course of action would be to take the compressor side off and bolt it to the hotside of the turbo u have now
if u have the money buy the turbine and compressor housings from fast if they arent damaged and u can buy a new gt3582 center section on ebay for 100 bucks iirc , then just pop the housings on and u will have the perfect turbo
at most its 60mm wheel on the compressor but im pretty sure its the same wheel fastedi started out with on his car , i.e the same compressors i had as twins on my iroc
the difference is that has a t4 hotside instead of being a t3/t4
before u spend any money on a housing bolt it on andblock off the turbine side closest to the outlet , this effectivly cuts the ar in half , i do not rember if those turbos have the p-trim wheels in them if they do even with the smallest t4 housing its going to lag
more then likley best course of action would be to take the compressor side off and bolt it to the hotside of the turbo u have now
if u have the money buy the turbine and compressor housings from fast if they arent damaged and u can buy a new gt3582 center section on ebay for 100 bucks iirc , then just pop the housings on and u will have the perfect turbo
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Re: The ultimate iron headed turbocharging guide
thats right it was the turbo they sold to the rotary guys
at most its 60mm wheel on the compressor but im pretty sure its the same wheel fastedi started out with on his car , i.e the same compressors i had as twins on my iroc
the difference is that has a t4 hotside instead of being a t3/t4
before u spend any money on a housing bolt it on andblock off the turbine side closest to the outlet , this effectivly cuts the ar in half , i do not rember if those turbos have the p-trim wheels in them if they do even with the smallest t4 housing its going to lag
more then likley best course of action would be to take the compressor side off and bolt it to the hotside of the turbo u have now
if u have the money buy the turbine and compressor housings from fast if they arent damaged and u can buy a new gt3582 center section on ebay for 100 bucks iirc , then just pop the housings on and u will have the perfect turbo
at most its 60mm wheel on the compressor but im pretty sure its the same wheel fastedi started out with on his car , i.e the same compressors i had as twins on my iroc
the difference is that has a t4 hotside instead of being a t3/t4
before u spend any money on a housing bolt it on andblock off the turbine side closest to the outlet , this effectivly cuts the ar in half , i do not rember if those turbos have the p-trim wheels in them if they do even with the smallest t4 housing its going to lag
more then likley best course of action would be to take the compressor side off and bolt it to the hotside of the turbo u have now
if u have the money buy the turbine and compressor housings from fast if they arent damaged and u can buy a new gt3582 center section on ebay for 100 bucks iirc , then just pop the housings on and u will have the perfect turbo
Also theoretically the taper should help a little with spool, instead of just flat blocking off the other side of the turbo and causing a lot of turbulence.
Wish I could bolt it up to the turbo I have now, but the T3 and T4 have different size shafts IIRC, and the turbo I have now needs more work than its worth; it's a paperweight now.
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Re: The ultimate iron headed turbocharging guide
Besides, the size of the exhaust housing would look ****ing AWESOME in the engine bay, LOLOL
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Re: The ultimate iron headed turbocharging guide
I think what I am going to do, is make a flange that'll taper the exhaust into only one side of the turbo, effectively making it a .58AR housing. If it is truly a twin scroll, I will block the side closest the downpipe; It would probably be best to have the exhaust funneled into the part closest the cartridge.
Also theoretically the taper should help a little with spool, instead of just flat blocking off the other side of the turbo and causing a lot of turbulence.
Wish I could bolt it up to the turbo I have now, but the T3 and T4 have different size shafts IIRC, and the turbo I have now needs more work than its worth; it's a paperweight now.
Also theoretically the taper should help a little with spool, instead of just flat blocking off the other side of the turbo and causing a lot of turbulence.
Wish I could bolt it up to the turbo I have now, but the T3 and T4 have different size shafts IIRC, and the turbo I have now needs more work than its worth; it's a paperweight now.
before u bother making a nice blockoff plate do it quick and simple with a simple steel plate this will atleast give u an idea if its worth going threw all the trouble to make a tapered inlet
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Re: The ultimate iron headed turbocharging guide
that chinesse turbo i belive still uses a small shaft , u would have to measure it yourself to find out , even alot of the brand name t4 stuff still uses a t3 sized shaft
before u bother making a nice blockoff plate do it quick and simple with a simple steel plate this will atleast give u an idea if its worth going threw all the trouble to make a tapered inlet
before u bother making a nice blockoff plate do it quick and simple with a simple steel plate this will atleast give u an idea if its worth going threw all the trouble to make a tapered inlet
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Ill know more Sat when I get the turbo.
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Re: The ultimate iron headed turbocharging guide
Based on what Ducky said was on the tag its probably this one.
Pic of flange
Part Number: FC3S / FD3S
Serial Number: KD0902499
This is the listing I found:
Brand New - T04B Turbo Charger AR60 T4*
Turbo Specification:*
Maximum Horse Power*350 HP*
Type of Cooling Oil Cooled*
Inlet Size 3"*
Outlet Size 2"*
Type of Bearing WET FLOAT BEARINGS*
Oil inlet Size 1/8 NTP*
Maximum PSI Capacity 30 PSI*
Compressor .60 AR Compressor*
Compressor Wheel Exducer: 69.31mm, Inducer: 53.90mm
Turbine 1.15 AR Turbine*
Turbine Wheel Inducer: 73.89mm , Exducer: 63.98mm*
Type of Flange T4 (Twin scroll turbine housing)*
Type of*Down*Pipe*Flange 3" v-band*
Pic of flange
Part Number: FC3S / FD3S
Serial Number: KD0902499
This is the listing I found:
Brand New - T04B Turbo Charger AR60 T4*
Turbo Specification:*
Maximum Horse Power*350 HP*
Type of Cooling Oil Cooled*
Inlet Size 3"*
Outlet Size 2"*
Type of Bearing WET FLOAT BEARINGS*
Oil inlet Size 1/8 NTP*
Maximum PSI Capacity 30 PSI*
Compressor .60 AR Compressor*
Compressor Wheel Exducer: 69.31mm, Inducer: 53.90mm
Turbine 1.15 AR Turbine*
Turbine Wheel Inducer: 73.89mm , Exducer: 63.98mm*
Type of Flange T4 (Twin scroll turbine housing)*
Type of*Down*Pipe*Flange 3" v-band*
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