84silverS/C

HI everybody,

I am kinda a lurker with all the reading and posting only where I have a view that I feel others have not voiced. I sometimes get flack for not being interested in FI if a carb is doing the job. I have more than one auto and am a member of more than one web community. I even try to allow people inform me when the knowledge I have is outdated or wrong.

I have read some of the information posted by VETRUCK.... I even sent a message to him... two to be upfront and honest about it. I expressed my interest in links to videos of the performance of his truck and information about his mods to this truck. I know this is not a truck forum... I even know it is not a forum about tuning trucks for auto cross.


I guess the point of this tread is to stop hijacking others thread to play bull-**** with someone who has large clams and only rattles off weak comebacks but NO proof of the clams of greatness.


So my question to the community.... is performance real if it is only a proud clam and not documented and proven?

I was told to look at a gallery that is very lacking of information about performance mods. It dose show mounting three race seats in a reg cab long bed chevy... it shows a set of nice dubs and a lexan spoiler .... and a non function ran air style hood.....it shows a man proud of his job as a pit crew member... I dont know if I can call him a "Pit Boss" but he looks important. the point is I have heard all this bull and there is no pudding!


Just one link ... just one time slip... heck just tell me your 60' and 8th times... any real and confirmed proof or your greatness?


I am sure a nastruck can road course the hell out of a street car? If anyone had clams about that I would still want to see proof!

like that little old lady told us all in the 80's.... wheres the beef!


I love a reply to questions just being anger and more gloating.... with out answers or proof of outlandish clams!

it seems to me some teach, some do... and a few BULL-****


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if anything i have posted here is proven wrong, I will retract and make a full and public apology! I am still interested in getting a few pics to blow up and put on my wall if it performs like it is said to.


*this is added after the posting of this thread. I have just went through 677 posts listed by "vetruck" and am about 2/3 way through the listed 1,000 for the user name "agood2.8" which is the same guy but was banned from thirdgen.org ... and my opinion of this person has dropped drastically. There are many, many ... many times where he is rude and counterproductive to the questions he is replying to. It is nothing short of ridiclous how a single person who advertises suck knowlage and yet shows such contempt. I will refrain from slander, but encurage everyone to search and read for your selves!

Rolling Thunder

Generally speaking this is how I view any claim be it about cars, products, or anything. It is what it is. Just because theres no slips or dyno sheets to prove something is true dosnt mean its not true. So performance is performance even if its not documented. Plus just because you dont have access to the proof doesn't mean the proof doesn't exist. Granted that obviously means you dont have to believe any claims that are not supported. I also believe you can question any claim thats not backed up with proof. The best example is with peoples advice I commonly hear people giving advice on here and elsewhere and if i dont agree on something ill ask where they heard or learned something (in a polite manner as they very well could be correct). After some digging a lot of times the reason they give leaves me with no confidence that their statement is true (thats different than saying there wrong just because i have no reason to believe there right doesn't make them wrong) other times i learn something new. That being said unless someone is out to prove something for whatever reason why is proof necessary? If you were trying to sell me something then yea ide want proof that it works. If he was trying to sell me the truck ide want proof that it was capeable of what he claimed. If VETRUCK was doing a thread on how to build a performance truck Ide want to see some proof that the improvements were real before i threw any money into building a truck like that. However since hes not trying to sell you the truck and hes not doing a how to on building high performance truck what difference does it make if he backs up what he says his truck is capable of? Your entitled to not believe him. It would add to his credibility if he could provide proof of his claims but hes certainly not required to. The problem with this whole thread is that you expect him to prove that his claims are true yet this thread takes the stance that hes just BSing when you yourself admitted you know nothing about it due to a lack of info. I get what your saying about him saying a truck can out handle an NSX and from the factory i think the world would agree a factory truck is not going to out handle an NSX but he also said it was extensively worked over. I mean he claims he out auto crossed an NSX or 2 and maybe you were right and they were just terrible drivers or the cars were in poor condition but that dosnt change the fact that he out did them. Granted like i said your always allowed to be skeptical and you dont have to just believe things that you hear but to me not only is this not the place for this type of a discussion its also not even appropriate. If you wanted to discuss the possibility of a truck being capable of this thats more for the theoretical racing section at best as its not even 3rd gen related. Although as i recall there is no place on this forum to discuss other members credibility. Honestly if I were you I would consider deleting this whole thread if possible as even if your right, to me anyways, this isnt the right way to "call someone out."

jensen73110

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I'm going to assume this isn't a flame post and roll with it.....

Interesting. (I'm guessing that is "claim" and not "clam" )

When the person making the claims is beyond doubt, say John Force giving drag racing tips, yes, no proof is needed.

When the performance is common knowledge, like a stock L98 running 14s, there is no reason to call for time slips. I claim a 3.1 with 155 hp. Why does everyone accept that? Because we all know pulleys, exhaust and chip will do that (and I have the dyno sheet ).

Those are the only scenarios I can see where we have no doubts.
If I claimed 175 hp from my mods, would you believe me?
What if someone claimed a stock L98 T/A ran 13.8?
What if someone that seems to know what he's talking about offered advice on drag racing?

vetruck comes off as knowing his stuff. Look for 2 stickies in the suspension area covering the ultimate 3rd gen setup. That stuff goes WAY over my head. To me, he's legit. I don't question his accuracy like I wouldn't question John Forces'. Thing that bugs you, is its the internet and you can't be sure.

Then that leads us to; who can you believe? No one? People with time slips? Credible sounding people...?

Truth online is subjective. Believe him or not. It won't change his status or yours, so it doesn't matter.

Long winded here, but I'll I'm saying is look over his other posts, then see if you think he can answer your questions.

Have a good one and keep it nice kids.

84silverS/C

Ok I give you I am not a spelling check bee winner...lol, i should preview more and b!tch less. Also i think masters of there trade like Force should be given the benefit of doubt.

Force drives a proven , be it tv or live nhra event, car for the public. He is a spokes person for a motor sport and known good guy. If he told me outlandish things that question my understanding of weight transfer and for proof listed me not having read his "resume." I would chug my beer and ask to see a video.


I am not looking to get him looked at by mods or anything like that. This is more about the OTHER people on here. Do they take a web thread hero's word or want to see proof. I go to a 8th mile in the summer... I get a quicker 60' time in my 4wd dodge launching in 4hi and slipping it into 2hi as soon as it shifts into second. I stopped when i got the new trans put in.

I do not expect anyone to trust in my words....BUT i do remember people B!tching a LOT about some of the turbo guys reporting there times. I mean these are guys just informing there testing times. Not talking trash about there thrashing a 90's super car with a dubbed out full size. I want to see a drag slip to understand if it could pull away from a corner .... and I asked for links and galleries of his mods.... I would not take any of my cars/trucks/ red wagons to him. Not because he dose not know his stuff. Because of his lack of respect for others. I stopped reading all his posts because it seems like he was rude and flamed others then could not understand why he was getting probation. Until his banning ... and more than once??? whats up with that?

I still want to watch a video of this truck in auto-x whipping a NSX!


that is a strong claim, lol sp? better?....lmao, If he said he could fly I would want proof.


and I thank the moderator for a little slack with this.

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bl85c

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LOL, I can see this getting locked.

I've argued a bit with vetruck myself, but that's just his personality. It's a personality type that's quite common in the automotive world. He knows his stuff and will make sure you know it too. If everyone avoided good techs because they were a$$es there'd be noone left in the repair industry! That's why we have service writers.

The truck raised my eyebrows though.

AM91Camaro_RS

I don't want to get into a big dispute. But, I happen to like Dean and certainly respect his knowledge! I don't doubt any of his cars. He knows what he's doing, aint afraid to spend money and has the vehicles as proof, whether he puts up videos or time slips or not.

Guest

Where youi from silver? Sure is alot of smack talk from a guy that shows nothing himself. You sure sound like my ******* ex father-in-law....10:1 you are....on some stupid witchhunt trying to con me into devolging info specs and pricing on my vehicles to try and use this craop against me again in my divorce frial. **** you (smiles), yes, **** you little *****.

Enough proof is out there on my NASCAR wins, my old $500 slalom challange nobody ever stepped up to take a shot at me, or the numerous V8's I spanked in autox with my little V6, never the less my skidpad #'s.

Takes one little punk to come into here and try to deface me thinking he is a know it all and try to discredit years of reputation I have on TGO with his arrogant peabrain. And if I am bannded again for it? you all can thank this asswipe for the loss of future tech and calculations I help everyone with for free as a fun hobby to help others.

Show up in my town with a wad of cash and challange me asswipoe, or shut your mouth

I am easy to find, I will be at Toyota Speedway all next season again as a crewcheif for the supertrucks again. I might even catch a gig doing a West car a few races. Look it up, come smack talk me to my face.

84silverS/C

thank you for your input, AMC. I am not looking for people to vouch or looking to find if he is a nice fellow. The topic is not just my interest in vet's comments and information backing them.

I am interested to know If and why some are allowed to post there performance and it is considered a given. Then others have pics and are accepting flack from half the forum until they provide PROOF. I am not looking to put any single person down... I am openly telling everyone to search the handles listed in the opener. If they draw there own ideas about that person it is there choice. I would think if this conversation had started in a real life setting it would be a simple take a ride... or grab a creeper and look your self kinda thing. At this point I am more interested to know how web credibility is earned and why it is not accepted to question things that seem to good to be true.


I would not think questioning greatness lessens how great one is. Would it not solidify there place.

and my questions were not like ... gee how do you make it go so fast. I asked real questions about weight transfer and relocating the center of gravity.

I got a question about my lineage in place of an answer! seems like a swell fellow to me!

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jensen73110

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Insults & flames will get it locked.

2 things to consider here:

1. Not everyone has video of their ride. I don't. And if he is competitive at the local track, I doubt he would want to divulge all his secrets to competitors.

2. He may be a jerk, he may not. Maybe you are interpreting his posts that way. There's a member on here with a white GTA that gets misread quite a bit and several people think he is a butthole, but it is mostly the terse way he types. Could be the case here too.

Depends.
If I went up to a master electrician and said "Hey dickface, how the hell does direct current work anyway?' ya think he's gonna play nice and tell me? Maybe vetruck misread your humor and awe (printed out and hung on your wall? seriously?) as an underhanded attack.

*shrug*

t-top havoc

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Sounds to me a competitor wants more than is in the stickies!!!

bl85c

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It's accepted because people are generally trusting (yet skeptical) of things they can't witness themselves. I trust what he says because I can see the validity in the tech articles he's done in the susp./steering section. Does that mean he's above blowing a little smoke up someone's **** to get his point across? Certainly not.

84silverS/C

You my friend are a class act! you are what is killing interest in motorsports. You take pride in putting others down.


to me you are just bark till you show you can bite.

and to be clear... I don't know your wife, ex-wife, your wife's father, fathers friend, or any of there life mates. I would think you bragging about the cash you spend on your truck is out there without to much searching. But glad to have gotten a reason for you not proving your performance.... cause I am a spy.... this is getting good!

84silverS/C

in my "mancave" I have a wall of things of interest... it started as old posters of classic cars and grew into a grouping of 4x4 and drifters to desert bugs. I would proudly put a pic of it up if it dose what he says!

I do not want any ones cutting edge secret information!

I want to see a full size chev put the stick down on a rice rocket! I understand a lot of things but this is like a punk telling the block that he can press 1,000 lbs .... but he dose not want others to see.... cause they will copy his strength!

Unless he only had a video of the truck with the bed off and the front fenders inner and outers pulled.... what would one see other that his win!

I don't get his outrage at being put on the spot.... he is a gifted wrench.... but his person to person skills suck! you don't go around talking **** about your drivers and there hung egos and you don't act like a three year old with a poopy diper over being asked to back up internet claims!.... see i spelled it right!

GTA50

I don't see anything constructive or related to V6's coming out of this thread.

84silverS/C

this is not a which hunt, it still is open to anyone who drives a 660 camaro or bird. I know this crowd catches crap for reporting there real world performance on this and other forums.

I do not think it is a bad quality to question any claim of performance. Be it a 6er maro or the delorean from back to the future. If I was over the acceptable post guidelines moderators can pm me and I will retract and or erase... I would rather do it than have them do it... but understand.

this to me is as much about standing up to a cyber bully. I know the v6 turbo guys cought and still catch a lot of greef on here. It should not matter who you are or where you work or anything like that. If you make a performance claim... back it up... or shut your mouth.

I was expecting to hear from fast, dave, firstfire or a few of the others that have posted there time slips... as they back up there ****.


I want to understand why some are considered irreprochable. Others are considered modern day messiahs. BUT why talk the talk if you can not back it up? I do not post my vast greatness, because i have no interest in bolstering my ego to a web forum.


this should be as much about 6ers standing up to 305 guys as me questioning about some warmed up pick up. I know the things I know untill i get proof that changes what I know... to that end I do not think my mind will be changed!

has netted me with a lot of proof about performance.

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AM91Camaro_RS

He offered you proof. He told you where to find him (I'm sure that means he'll take you for a ride...you can see first hand). My first instinct wouldn't be to be nice to you either if you start basically telling everyone I'm a liar just because you (who no one seems to know about) don't want to believe what I (Dean, in this case, who has been around here for yeeaaars...even if that has been with multiple user names) am capable of making a vehicle do. Not only knowledge of building a car...some people actually know how to drive a lot better than other people.

84silverS/C

am91- I thought he wanted to scrap for cash... my bad... guess I should take him up on a ride then.

DeathStarr89

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man, i hope you guys don't think i'm full of it..

I think i've posted enough videos and proof of what my 3500 V6 has done in a 2800 lb Cavalier..


This being said, i've seen trucks as described perform very well. I'd be in for a video though, that would be cool to watch.

84silverS/C

that is all i wanted.... to see what i was not there to witness in person!

bl85c

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This is starting to turn into a pissing match!

That's a fun smilie.

I don't have a timeslip or video but my 0-60 is 6.5 sec. 1/4 mile is still in the miserable mid 16 sec zone. All I claim is 150hp & 175 ft/lbs. with headers, bigger maf and tuning. But that'll change when I put in my hybrid & get some passes in!

Uglybronco

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Seriously dude, go back to lurking and not posting.. Some where else.

84silverS/C

i did not join thirdgen.org to make best friends! I wanted to be part of a web community that was open for people to ask questions and other people to help answer them.

I did not have any ideas about others performance until they brought it out. Being proud and not willing to to show why you are proud is what brought this thread around.

If I make a outlandish claim, tell me to back it up. If you do not have an opinion on this topic.... why are you posting in it? If you want to flame me, its all good baby. I am happy to read your posts... but at least have the willingness to state your opinion on the topic... or you look like a troll!

AM91Camaro_RS

then ask tech questions and get answers.

84silverS/C

this thread is a question.... so what is you opinion?

jensen73110

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But you aren't asking a tech question on a tech board.

Your question is more in line with general forum use. Like a debate over allowing swearing as freedom of speech, or not allowing it due to being a family oriented site. Sure, it can apply to TGO, but is not TGO material. We can type until our fingers hurt, but this won't be resolved online, or even on this forum. So, in the end, all you have here is a call out to vetruck for proof.

2_point8_boy

This thread is not specific to third-gen tech and is a little out of control. I am a fan of backing up your claims, but this is going a little too far. I am locking this thread...as always, any problems, please PM me.