project89

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8/23 AND 8/24 IM GOING TO THE NOPI NATIONALS
i will be running a heads up street class - Heads Up Street - Unlimited Street
4, 6 & 8 cyl RWD - after market transmission - power adders
gonna try my hand in the nopi pro drift class

and we all know my car was a burnout monster so im prolly gonna enter the burnout contest


u know dam well theres gonna be a ton of videos

i know there was a few drift guys here whats a good tire to use, i was just gonna go pick up a set of the hardest 245/55/16's i could find

Street Lethal

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^ Heh, deja-vu....

bl85c

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Make sure you let everyone know they got spanked by a 3.1.

project89

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lol im sure ill be getting spanked by a few 3.0L supras and some hondas nopi shows bring out the baddest turbo and all motor imports around

bl85c

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Even if you knock down one 3.0 supra I'll be happy. R**ers worship it like g0d himself crapped it into the supra engine bay.

project89

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lol ima try, ohh i forgot to mention the rx7's im sure there will be a shitload of them too

firstfirebird

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I want a gen1 or 2 RX7 to put a 3500TT in

Bullydawg

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Sounds like fun. That kinda looks like daves12secV6 Car. Looks good.

firstfirebird

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Because it is.

soultron

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I'd actually use something with less sidewall. You can get away with 225/50...
even though I suppose you've got more power than I do, they spin well.
What do you have suspension wise? That's what'll really get you, and your steering angle.

92camarorv6

ok were this nopi at if no to fare way i will tack my 3.4 turbo and my 84 supra and show tham some old school i drift all the time in the supra

crytical point

I just got rid on my gen 1 Rx7 and I have driven both 6port and Turbo 2nd gen rx7's and they are drift monsters and do it so naturaly. But as far as drifting the camaro your going to be clutch kicking and wieght shifting to get that rear loose .

project89

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update nopi is comming to raceway park 2 times this year so add in 5/3 and 5/4 of my dates to go thats this weekend

suspension wise i dont have much i will swap in my stiff 1le springs got the 1le rear sway bar,spool in the rear and ive got the adjustable shocks.
its an auto with a high stall, converter so im counting on just over powering the tires in the turns, it works on the street just never actually tried a true drift event.im only going to give it a shot i dont plan on being able to keep up with the other guys to much

TPI-454

Me, Lethal and a few others are going to Raceway Park this Friday night, why not meet up with us for a little test and tune.

project89

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maybe dont know if we can afford to go firday + sat and sunday

KBcobra

lol if your less than 2 cars lengths from a MKIV i will call you god
how can you not worship this lol
sry to get off of topic, lots and lots of videos!. When do you plan to finsh the car?

Street Lethal

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^ Supra ehh? Your kidding, right....? Click Here

project89

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i cant ****ing win i droped my ****ing laptop and now it wont boot arghhh ,so ive got a few hours to come up with a laptop to tune the car with. if not im leaving the tune thats in it and praying its all good once this thing goes wot.

right now i dont know i havent goten enough data logs or enough wot time to tell what its gonna do

Xophertony

so howd it go?

project89

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i fixed the laptop, got the car down there and broke the car due to stupity,

got this for the day lol
ANTI LAG AND LAUNCH TEST

firstfirebird

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Got a tracking # for me yet, Dave?

project89

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no i dont, i dont work in the shop nemore next time im there it will go out

firstfirebird

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Cool, the sooner the better. I have to port my 3500 plenum to the 75mm TB, finish modding the linkage, and make the headers to be running.

I wish i had a little more time for the project, My contracting co and the CNC shop has been consuming 10-14hrs a day. I've only been able to see my kids in the morning before I leave, they are in bed when I get home - otherwise the motor would already be fitted in the car. Since the engine is here at the shop, I do get to work on the small items while the machines are running (or work on others' engines, lol).

project89

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ok gonan try the track thing tongiht again and hope it all goes well
btw guys only one person picked up on something in that test video,lets see if anyone else does

project89

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mid 14 @ 6psi on street tires and letting off right before the 1000ft mark mph shows that it was let off way early.will scan the slip tom afternoon.reason being is not having an upto date spec helmet and rental helmets are only good to 14.0 . going back friday on slicks and with a correct helmet to make some full passes. im predicting 13.8 @ 6psi in full race trim

enjoy

some testing at the track

btw its not me driving and i suck at filming specially when ur trying to teach somone how to do the burnout and stage/launch a car at the same time

Street Lethal

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^ If that's who I think it was driving, they need to practice up on their 60-foot big time. The car ran a mid 14 second pass with a HORRIBLE sixty foot, so right there that tells me it should have made a high 13 second pass. If they really did let off by the 1000-foot mark, and with the addition of the slicks next time out (with a better sixty foot, and not letting go), I'm predicting a low 13 second pass @ 6-psi....

Dale

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Rust on RR fender
no fender lights
primer around spoiler
full front suspension lift, possibly RF off the ground for a second
lots of tire spin on slicks

what else am I missing

project89

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rob yes she was driving, she is scared of the car she made 3 runs last night
the vid clips are in order the first pass u saw the bad wheel hop when trying to do the burnout(quick adjustment of the drag shocks got rid of it).First pass was off it by 330 mark which i told her to do so i could make sure it wouldnt ping.60' was 2.6 ,

second pass was 2.2 60 with the mid 14 run she said she thought she heard it pinging and let off at or just around before the 1000ft

.3rd pass i think she could have nailed a 14.0 or better but she rolled past the staging beams and had to back up she accidentally left the car in neutral once staged cause she got nervous so it wasnt even posting that run.she actually neutral dropped the car and went up in a huge cloud of tire smoke lol.

next time out i will drive on the slicks

lol dale yes i was talking about the rf tire

Street Lethal

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^ Dave, the hood looks a little different, is it painted? Also, do I see a gauge by the cowl....

project89

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same hood and yeah thats an mechanical oil preasure qauge on the hood. alls i had was nylon tubing to plumb the gauge so i wasnt about to trust that inside the cars cabin,ill move it to the pillar when i get a cooper line kit and put the fp guage were the op guage currently resides

Street Lethal

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^ What was it trapping....?

project89

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the mid 14 sec run it only trapped 82 mph the eclips nexto her was 3tenths slower and traped a 96.62 thats how i know she wasnt bull shitting about getting out of it way early,she should have trapped right around 100mph

@ the 8th she was up 4.5 mph and 4 tenths on the eclipse she said she was pulling away from him the whole way until she lifted
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lol he was pissed,she said he stayed in it well past the finish line

Z28ricer

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What was the best 1/8 mi and trap ?

project89

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9.363@ 75.36

Z28ricer

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Is the tune still way off ? Or is that all its going to do on 6 psi ?

project89

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the tune may be slightly off on the top end and im running a very conservative timming curve.just the way the car sits its it should go mid 13's with a proper launch and all in for the full 1320. she was leaving the line with 0 boost a 6psi launch should ensure a 1.8 60ft time but that deff cannot be done on street tires. maybe a 1.9 on street tires but more then likely 2.0 60 is all it will see on them

**** if u watch the other vid i pulled the right front tire off the ground @ 6psi theres deff a whole lot left on the table

Z28ricer

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Dont know how much i'd consider left on the table, suspension setup is one thing, but trap speed tells the truth on power, and right now all I see is a lot of work done to run 75 MPH in the 8th, and the only thing i've got for comparison is 80mph out of my 4 cyl with a smaller turbo and only running 1 psi more boost.

project89

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and i bet u dont walk the car off the line to get an 80mph 1/8th either this wasnt run anywere near what it can.look at the launch on the mid 14 run then look at my test launch on the slicks and u tell me the diff between the 2.were still taking it easy on the car and slowly sneaking up on a full all out run which i belive we will be going for this friday

Z28ricer

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Launch has very little to do with trap speed, thus why i was referring to trap speed. No my best passes werent eased off the line, but the ones with 2.3 sec 60's still had similar trap speeds. If i wanted to compare launches and ET Heres the info i'd have to go on:

Camaro 60* V6, ported heads, decent size turbo, 6psi max, launch 0 PSI, probably idle or barely above, tires ? probably 245-255mm, auto trans

2.2 60'
9.363
75.36 mph

240sx, 2.0L, stock T25, 7psi max, launched @
0 PSI, 4500 rpm, 215/45/17 cheapie tires, Manual trans,

2.019 60'
8.74
80.26 MPH

1.95 60'
8.72
79.5 MPH

project89

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launch has a whole lot to do with trap speed,specially when it comes to a turbo car,turbo cars also pull the hardest on the top end of the track in high gear.i have way to high a gear in the rear end right now,i need to drop it back to the 3:42's look how fast the car came out of first gear

Street Lethal

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Z28R-icer, that's not a fair anology though, because the two cars here are not equal. If we were to analyze your vehicle speed during the first sixty feet between those two runs of yours, the 2.01 and 1.95, I'm sure they were about 4-mph off, give or take. The fact that your trap @ the 1/8th was only 1-mph in difference only eludes to the fact that your 240 simply ran out of breath at that point utilizing the stock turbo charger. Take into account Dave's 4000 stall speed, his larger displacement engine, the fact that it isn't tuned for higher speeds as of yet, and the fact that his girl is a newbie when it comes to drag racing (she was not flooring it from the getgo, that is more than evident)....

Z28ricer

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My stock turbo was nowhere near out of breath, the stock setup is proven to be good up to 13-14 psi, stock turbo/injectors/maf, those runs were done on quite an old stock wastegate, and may not have even been at the factory 7psi as I dont have a boost gauge in the car.

Take into account the STR of the torque converter and that explains why he thinks its got so much power on the launch.

He said the tune is close, it may have a bit more in it, im just waiting for these supposed super fast 60*'s to put up some real numbers, i've seen far too many people steered in the wrong direction being given false hope for their 60* V6, way too many suggestions of a lot of work building some mutt engine, because they think it will allow them to beat the popular V8 swaps, and supposedly get better mileage, when in reality neither is going to be accomplished.

My little 2L 4 cyl being faster is just here to add insult to injury.

Street Lethal

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It had to be, either that, or you just flawed somewhere with your shifting. All things being equal (in reference to shift points, etc.), if you pulled a better sixty foot in one run, but ran a slower MPH with that run for some reason or another, something definitely went wrong. To pull a faster sixty foot, would mean a faster trap speed, simply because your MPH was faster at that point (it had to be, to pull a faster sixty foot), and if, as you say, the 2.0 engine wasn't maxed out at that particular point, it would have been prevalent in your trap. I think your mistaking reaction time with launching, as reaction time has absolutely no effect on trap speed, but launching most certainly does....

Z28ricer

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I didnt say that wasnt all the engine had in it, at that boost level, I said that the turbo still wasnt out of breath, theres a difference, all the engine has in it is enough power for 80 MPH in the 1/8.

This one proves my point even more, I wish i had the other two slips to compare the 330' times, however..

2.41 60'
ET 9.516
MPH 78.45

Again only a 1 mph difference from the fastest time of that night.

Street Lethal

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Let me explain it another way, let's say your engine pulls all the way to 120-MPH with absolutely no problem (which I'm sure it does), now, if your sixty foot was faster in one run as opposed to another, it is feasible to believe that during the faster sixty foot, you were running a faster MPH during that particular sixty foot. Now, the faster sixty foot would have a higher MPH at the sixty foot mark over the other one (it would have to), and if your engine easily pulls to 120-MPH with no problem (which of course it does), your trap speed will be higher at the 1/8th mile mark. It would have to be, unless you mis-shifted, and/or let off the gas a little. Now, the MPH won't be that significant in increase, but it would still be higher nonetheless, all things being equal....

project89

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that is the only 1/8 time of the night no other runs were made to get an acurate 1/8 shot and that 1/8 time was on a run that was lifted around the 1000 ft mark

Six_Shooter

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60' has NOTHING to do with trap speed.

60' will only have an effect on overall E.T., NOT speed.

In fact in a lot cases the same car with a quicker 60' will trap at a slower speed, because the car is usually hooking harder to acheive that quicker 60' than spinning or not transfering as much power to the track sugface compared to the slower 60' times. The reason for the slower trap speed is due to overall distance to acheive the maximum speed. If you hook hard and have no tire spin, every revolution of the tire and it's surface (total diameter) is being utilized, where as a tire that is spining, will usually waste a lot of that diamter and not grow as much at the begining of the run, making the engine rev higher earlier, and will in essence catapult the car forward once maximum traction is acheived, increasing speed, but E.T. is longer.
Then there's the cars that just come off the line lazy, bascially roll out from the staging beams and don't build any power for the first few feet of the run (manual shift turbo cars come to mind here), the 60' will take a while, with a high trap speed, but then there's the times that same car builds power right off the line (pre-loading the clutch perhaps), it hooks hard, 60's quick, but MPH will be down from the longer E.T. runs.

I have seen this time and time again.

That being said.... there's far too much bench racing going on, and I just don't see Dave ever pulling off anything spectacular, because he has constantly promised everyone thesde amazing feats, and NEVER delivers.

I'd be EMBARASSED by a 14 second run, even with the slow 60' times. My truck, not anywhere near tuned right, dancing off the line with a 2.07 60' time ran a high 13, and while I was happy with the result, that was only because the injector was too small, as evidance by lack of fuel ALL the way through 4th gear. I pulled 4th and the truck fell on it's face, knocking, pulling timing, timing would come back in, and the front end would lift a few inches and power a few feet more, when it would happen again, this would repeat about 4 or 5 times in 4th gear. 1/8 mile E.T. showed that it should have hit a low 13 second pass, had I fed it enough fuel, and the 60' just showed a lack of traction, due to the fact that I had too much tire hop.

MPH and E.T. are NOT directly related, they are only mildly influenced by each other.

All the E.T./MPH calculators out there assume a constant rate of increase of speed, they do NOT take into account a curved rate of speed increase, and therefore can not exactly predict what a vehicle will run in the 1/4 in both E.T. and MPH.

BTW, a lower E.T. 60' or 1/8 or 1/4 mile for that matter are not refered to as "faster", they are refered to as "quicker", "fast" or "faster" is related to speed, "quick" or "quicker" are related to elapsed time.

project89

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maybe u would be but to date its still the faster 60* 3rdgen run to be posted here with video to back it up,and once again put me in the car on the slicks and ill show u a 13 sec video and slip. take a 10 sec car with a newbie driver,take away the sticky tires and all the power from a launch and whats it gonna run ????
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im here to build my car the way i want and take my dam time doing it i know dam well what the car will do im nto rushing jack **** and risking motor damage to prove a thing.right now im more worried about slowling getting the car and driver for pinks used to the car and making sure my tune is good so i can start turning the power level up

Street Lethal

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Sorry, but all things being equal, it does. There are way too many variables to say otherwise. If someone stood just after the sixty foot, with a speed clocker in his hands to clock the car's mph (let's use the example of a 1.80 to a 2.20), the run with the "quicker" sixty foot would have a FASTER mph at that particular point in the run. How can you possibly say otherwise? Nobody is talking about two DIFFERENT cars here, I'm talking about the same car, with everything being equal during both runs....

Let's remember that the driver had NO tire spin whatsoever, and wasn't even on it from the getgo. That's like her smashing the throttle, and starting the race AT the sixty foot mark. So by your theory, if she laid into it starting at the sixty foot mark, she would have trapped the very same mph at the 1/8th mile mark, as if she were to have started at the tree. Absolutley not, it would have been a slower mph. Same difference if she were to have a much better sixty foot, her mph would be higher at that particular point, resulting in a higher trap at the 1/8th. Again, all things being EQUAL from a racing perspective....

.... and you think we don't lol? We live at the track, we're there three times a week. I have no reason to argue irrelevant nonsense. If a car runs a slower trap, with better sixty foot, something usually went wrong in the run. You cannot sit there and tell me that every single run, in which these strange occurences that you witnessed in which where the trap is slower, but the ET was quicker, everything was exactly the same during the run. People mis-shift, they unknowingly ease off the throttle, the tune could have been thrown off, etc. All things being equal though, a better sixty foot results in a slightly faster mph, and again, I'm talking about the same car. The only way to believe otherwise is if the car maxed out at that particular mph....

Give the guy a chance. He's going out of his way to show you what the car can do throughout the build, and that's more than what I can say about everybody else. Who else is providing runs at the track here? Nobody! Everybody here is an authority when it comes to tuning w/turbo's, trap speed, and ET, and yet, I see nothing being placed on the table. Megasquirt, '730 w/$59 mask, twin turbo projects, blah blah blah, it's all talk, with NOTHING to back it up. Give Dave a little credit for putting the turbo setup that he built with his own two hands on the table for you guys to watch and criticize....

Any actual vids of the race, since your at the track just as much as we are....?

All things being equal, you most certainly can assume a faster trap, w/better sixty foot. What happens in between is another story, but all things being equal, you most certainly can. Your referring to curved rate of speed increase, well, if the first run begins such a curve SOONER then the second run because of a bad launch, with all things being equal during both runs, the first one will have a faster trap (and again, I'm not talking about a MAJOR increase in mph, just a slightly faster trap). If a vehicle runs 1-2 mph slower, with a better sixty foot, why would you assume that thats just the way it is? You can't account for everything that is going on in the drivers seat, and with each and every run. Way too many variables....

Umm, I was referring to TRAP speed, aka MPH, aka FASTER. I asked Dave what it TRAPPED a few posts up, then the conversation pursued. Where did I say or write otherwise....?

Street Lethal

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Followed by;

^ Not only is that a contradiction, because the second portion is stating that a tire spinning and slower 60' actually increases speed, EFFECTING MPH....

Let us test this theory of yours. Here we have my friend Paulie running the same EXACT sixty foot in both of his runs (the first and the last), and yet, running an entirely DIFFERENT ET, w/approximately one MPH increase, Click here. Sixty foot was the same, but it didn't underline anything, only the fact that there are way too many variables. Had the trap been slower w/the quicker ET, then I could see the argument, but it wasn't. It increased with the quicker ET. I guess we'll just have to assume that the vehicle's curved rate of speed increase was somehow enhanced by the Gods....

First run;

60-Foot: 1.43
ET: 10:48
Trap: 125.55

Second run;

60-Foot: 1.43
ET: 10:41
Trap: 126.99