TRICK_Z28

OK, i want to know, what is the best numbers someone has run with a 2.8 my friend jsut ran over the weekend a new track record for his class 14.23 with a 2.8, and it is awesome to watch run, never thought that it could lift the wheels off the ground but it dose. this is N/A and no NOS i am impressed and would love to know of someone who knows of one that can do the same

AM91Camaro_RS

do you have a video of this? some motor specs? time slips? I've never seen a 14 second car that will pull the front tires. I've gone high 14s with my n/a 3.1 and its no where near pulling the tires! what kind of 60' times did it run?

xplane

heh thats perty good but nowheres near the fastest i have heard of for a 2.8 the fastest i know of is the 12 second one here on the boards.

to lift the wheels and only go a 14 would be a insanely low gearing and a huge stall or a stick.

daves12secV6

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if i didnt have a 14.8 sec 2.8 at one time id have to call BS,but i would sure as hell like to know the cars wieght and all mods before i say this was possible.it took an insane amount of mods to make mine go 14.8 n/a @ street wieght

V6sucker

completely stock I call
like others said provide a vid and a list of mods I will lower the flag.

high 14's is a NA no NOS very modded V6.
Low 14's.... unmodded NA no NOS... I seriously doubt it.
Unmodded, no NOS V6's run in the 16-17 sec range.

2_point8_boy

He never said it was a 1/4 mi....

TPI-Formula350-

pulling the wheels going low 14's huh?

V6sucker

very true.. I did miss that...

TOTALLY trustworthy for the 1/8 with a seriously sucky driver... but the front wheels thing... yeah do not think so. Lift the nose some yeah every car does that, almost off the ground I really doubt it.

14 in the 1/8th is what close to what? 20 in the 1/4.... really sucky driver...

I had a 89 GTA with a 383 pushin close to 440Hp 480 Trq would take off like a bat outta hell. but it was still nowhere close to pulling the front wheels.

TRICK_Z28

ok it took some serching but i found a pic on one of our race sights maritimestock-superstock, this was i think this was last years pic or the year befor and if you go into the stockers\superstockers you can finde some spec's

AM91Camaro_RS

i didn't find the specs. what rear gear is in that car?

TRICK_Z28

i know he has an 8.5 10 bolt out of a 79 camaro, what gearing i am not to sure of, i know that when you look under the hood of the car there is nuthing that makes you think that it can do that, but the man has been raceing for 30 some years, he usta run rail cars. i know he also has lakewood traction action bars taht help alot

V6sucker

sorry but I am raising a major here

that car is pic'd on the main page with front wheels off the ground.
There is -0- chance of anything a near stock 2.8 doing this.

Again -0- spec's -0- engine bay shots... -0- chance of anyone believing this until there is.

also a search on that mike sawyer (that Copy right'd that pic) shows him a a serious racer, but never in a 80's camaro. 68 and 2K.

also if you look really close on that window you see 15.27 and can even read the backwards 15 on oppisite window.

and seeing as he states this is a 2.8 it must have some seriously low gearing 4:56, or maybe a 4:11 and a worked engine. Which COULD explain the great outta the hole but seriously sucky overall times.

some more searching found another pic and the drivers name of vince hazel
and considering he is in a stock/supoer stock page with some real player vehicles, it has to be a V8. Maritime Stock/Super Stock Page

AM91Camaro_RS

I ran 4.10s for a while and the best 60' time I got was a 2.06. I later went 2.05 with the 3.73 gear I now have. There was no way mine would have (or will) pull the front tires!

aren't traction bars typically for leaf spring cars? why would you ditch the tq arm setup we have, stock?

daves12secV6

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the lakewood bars bolt onto the lca's and the rear housing,u then remove the tq arm from the car.its something similar to a ladder bar type setup

AM91Camaro_RS

really? interesting...

daves12secV6

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im sorry i was thinking of something else.but same concept
th elakewood bars replace the lcs'a ontop of the lca it has an adjustable bar that runds to the rearendhousing(axletube).once those are on u remove the tq arm.i ll see if i cant dig up a picture.if im not mistaken its called a 3 link setup.
good for puttin a non f-body rear into a 3rd or 4thgen since there is no need for the tq arm.though u need to reinforce the floor were the lca's bolt up to the car.otherwise in hi power apps u risk tearing the mounts/floor right out of the car

AM91Camaro_RS

ok, that makes sense. If this car pulls the front tires, running n/a...i'm just trying to figure out how!

is the car a stick or auto? gutted or streetable?

TRICK_Z28

ok i got some more specs on the car4, NHRA rules state taht the engine has to be of mostly stock internals, but you can have it bored out .070, vince has his car bored out .060. the cam has to remain stick lift but the duratation can be whatever, he is running a crane cam the specs i dident get, 2 bbl holly and an msd 6al 2 step, all of this runs through a 4 spd standerd tranny, oh and to whom called bs lol this is real, i will have some more pics shortly

daves12secV6

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possibly has morosso trick front springs which are designed to lift the front end,even still to pull the tires that car would need 4.56+ gears great traction,weigh next to nothing,and either have a transbrake,or be a stick.

on a side note there are guys running v6 camaros in super stock around my area and they run low 13,s with n/a 3.1's but they dont come anywere near lifting the fronts

TRICK_Z28

oh and it still has all factory interiour

daves12secV6

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this is gonna get ugly.


see my previous post
not to mention my 12 second 3.1 cant pull the tires,and it wieghs less then a superstock car

TRICK_Z28

lol no i kinda like this tho, because it is realy hard to belive it, some ppl have to physcialy see it to belive it, it is truly awesome. oh and no there isent trick springs, it is a redgesterd NHRA car and is coherent to all the rules, he is going to be running in new hampsher in the next comeing up weeks to make his time offical

drdave88

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why not just go get a digital camera and take some pics of at least under the hood for us? or have him take it out on a back road and pull it up for a pic, make it a lil more believable. that way we dont keep posting all this useless bs on here. this is starting to remind me of an 87blueracer's post, or whatever his name was. hey.... you arent him are you? lol

TRICK_Z28

lol no im not that guy lol. i never thought this post would bring this much. i just wanted to know who had simmler v6's. but i will get some pics but you have to be patatiant with me, no digi cam. but i will get some pics

V6sucker

so now you want us to believe that a 60 over 2.8 with a 2BBl carb... that is what? at best 200 ponies.

also this 2G rear end that is installed...
just how was this done? after all that is a leaf spring rear, 3G is 3 link.

again get some real pics of "your friends" "killer 2.8" or simply go away.

TRICK_Z28

lol it isent hard to convert the lef rear end to a controle arm rear end, and yea the engine has about 230 hp. i will goe tome more pics, maby a time slip. why is it so hard to belive taht it is bringing the front wheels off the ground? he launches at about 3500 rpm and gets out of the hole realy well. so maby back to my topic, dose anyone elts have a v6 camaro taht runs realy good times? i know daves12secV6 sounds verry impressive, is this a full out street car as well or strictly drag?

TPI-Formula350-

there is no way that a 2.8 60 over with stock cam/heads and no power adder is puting out 230hp I have an L98 with ever possible bolton with stock heads/cam -NO power adder and I put down 251 rwhp. My car runs 13.20's@104mph( ones of the best times on the site running stock head/cam L98) and my car isn't even coming close to pulling the wheels. I was invited to the GM high tech mag shootout on 8/1 for bolton fbodys me and a guy with an L98 GTA were running with in .05 of eachother. There were also LS1 both on cars there running 12's and they were not pulling the wheels. So unless this 2.8 is mounted over the rear tires I dont see it pulling the front wheels. If it is pulling the wheels and running 14-15 sec 1/4 mile times its more funny then impressive

TRICK_Z28

ok i never siad it was rwhp this is at the crank, and the engine is still mounted in the same place as it is factory, the cam is stock LIFT the duratation can be whatever you want it to be, as far as the heads go i dont know if they have been reworked or not. but i dont think the rules alow it. this car lifts the front wheels all because of the way it is set up, like i said this man has been raceing for 30 + years and knows how a to get a car out of the hole, every car he has built has held a natonial record.

TPI-Formula350-

does this car hold the record for worlds slows car that can pull the wheels? kidding

TRICK_Z28

about half way down the page is a little writeup about vince and one of his record cars, his doughter stands infront of the wagon Google Image Result for http://www.maritimedragracing.com/0fa263b0.png

mustbeatmopar

there is no way a n/a, stock interior, limited mod, 2.8 is running that fast. you can all you want, it aint happenin'. And a low 14 sec. car is NOT pulling the tires! not to mention that launching at 3,500 rpm on the stock tranny would most certainly frag the whole damn thing. Besides, i run a 14.25 in my GTA and it doesnt pull the damn tires! For a car to do that, it would have to run like a bat out of hell until mid track, but top out at 70-80 mph.
In the end, all you're saying is a bunch of

TRICK_Z28

Hey im sorry, all i know are the facts, there is a pic to prove it that is poasted up and if you want to realy finde out for yourself just look Vince Hazel in the NHRA and figure it out. dude it aint hard to belive, there is an allen armstrong built opel around hear that runs 10's with a 2.5

Damiox

there is nooooo wayyyy it pulled the front tires off....mine runs 13.5 1/4 at 130 and it doesnt do that....a 10 sec marro will,but only about 6 inches with
huge slicks.............

D


thats an opel...1/3 the weight....thats like puting a top fuel motor in our cars...

TRICK_Z28

it is all in how you hook, it isent the only camaro i know taht could lift the front in the air, i wish the other car was still around, 68 302 dual 4bbl taht usta drag the bumper and smashed out the tail lights on numerous times. these cars arnt hart to get to lift, you just have to know what you are doing

Damiox

the only 3rd gen i saw in those pis was an 82 with big ol slicks....still not
"totin" tires.....


D

the "only" way he is getting air is if he has some trick springs up front and is
bouncing it off the ground....ive seen feiros do that ......but thats it......

TRICK_Z28

those were the only pics i could finde of his car roght away, they were taken in 2002. there has been some more work done to get it faster, i dident say atht the wheels were coming off the gound like a 2 feet and cairing them down the track, but it can pick them off the track

Naft

guys, just because your car runs X@X and doesnt pull the tires doesnt mean a car slower than it cant. there are 10 second cars that dont lift, and 13 second cars that do. this 2.8 is obviously only in the 13's because of INSANE traction, getting 100% of the power down right away. there are also MUCH better drivers than you, with better setups, who know exactly what they are doing. launch at peak hp(its a manual he said) with a **** of a clutch and low rear gears and the right technique on massive slicks and i'm willing to believe that its possible.

Its still totally hard to believe, but i wouldn't be so quick to pull the bs flag.

2_point8_boy

Just imagine the time he'd pick up if he weren't wasting all that monster torque by lifing the wheels. People who build race cars for a living know that if you're lifting the front off the ground, then you're wasting power. That's why top fuel and funny cars are so long, so the leverage of the front end keeps it down as much as possible so that all the power is put into moving the vehcile forward.

The bottom line is that the people here have seen a lot of fast cars that don't lift the wheels, and heard of a lot of slow cars that people think are fast. Put up or shut up, that's the way it is on this board. Don't just talk, prove it with some video/pics and a timeslip along with a full readout of the mods that have been done to this car.

230hp in a 3500 lb car is nothing. look at the 2002 fbodies - 380hp in a 3500lb car runs mid-13's off the dealership floor and CAN'T LIFT THE WHEELS.

Now I'm not getting on your case here, but seriously man, it just doesn't seem like you know what you're talking about unless we see something that proves you right.

mustbeatmopar

that pic means nothing. That isnt the car your talking about. especialy since it is from 2002, and you said its faster now. SO, you're saying it was slower but still pulled the tires like that? please, you must think we're all idiots to buy that.

And please its THAT not taht and such as you keep typing it.

once more for the road...

TRICK_Z28

ok i am going to first off start and thank the one person who has wred this thred, Naft thank you for pointing out the FACTS of it all, it is all about traction. oh and as far as the new f bodies taht cant lift the wheels off the factorie floor, well hmm lets think about that for a second, they wernt desinged for drag

TRICK_Z28

man some of you are realy quick to s#it down my throught and just keep calling bs to me. aint much for a first impresion, i jsut came on hear to post a friendly post and this is what i get. dude, the pic is there at 15 and the wheels are comeing up, and it is in the low 14's and not you are saying that it is eaven harder to belive that it is happnin

oh and im sorry miss spelling queen, dident know TAHT it offended you

V6sucker

the point we are making is that you are claiming this is a "mostly stock" 2.8.

From what we all collectively know and have seen and worked on we know the following...

1. Like I said earlier that unless it has some rediculously low gearing, it ain't gonna pull the front wheels.

2. A 300+ HP TURBO V6 can break the 13 sec barrier.
A HEAVILY worked over N/A 2.8/3.1 can BARELY break the 14 sec barrier. A "mostly stock" 2.8 is gonna run 15-16 all day long and might and I MEAN MIGHT break into the 14's with a GREAT driver.

3. Funny you did not mention your friends name until I did.
I can fully understand if the car started as a 2.8 and was V8 swapped to make it a real dragger. Happens all the time.
You can say it is a 2.8 all you want, and say well the pics don't lie and it is pulling the front tires. That is a outter shell pic, no engine shot. Lets see this miracle 2.8 IN THAT CAR set up for race day.

I want a pic with it at the track, hood off, clearly identifing the car in the pics with the engine clearly visable.

Until this happens, everything you say is to me and everyone else here.

Oh and the reason we are jumping down your back... you make this sensational claim and have absolutely -0- evidence to back this claim up.

And as far as misspelling, the human brain is smart enough to comprehend words as long as they have a certain number of letters in common with the intended word.
But misspelling does not effect me at all.

facelessnumber

I'm gonna play the devil's advocate here 'cause it's fun to think about... It might not be entirely impossible.

Sure, it's already been mentioned that he could be getting sick traction. And he's got a 4-speed manual. And almost certainly got ridiculously low gears. There are a couple of things nobody has mentioned though. Yes, he said the cam has stock lift. But it could have 1.6 rockers. Maybe steeper than that. If he does then there's the lift. And there's no mention of what heads he's got or what's been done to them. And here's the BIG thing - consider the weight of the front end. A 2.8 sits way back in the engine bay. The radiator is small (who says he even HAS a radiator?) and the 2.8 weighs way, way less than a smallblock V8 especially if it has aftermarket aluminum heads, intake, and all the junk removed. Battery in the back, AC and accessories gone, etc.

I could see this car not being terribly fast but pulling the front wheels up a bit.

TRICK_Z28

man good thing you guys arnt cops otherwise i would be guilty untill proven innasent, dude, it is a v6, says so right on the sight, he has more years on the track then you could immagin and i will do better than pics, i will git vid. all i ask is for a little time, we dont have many drag strips hear and the next close by drag is on the 23 of sept, but man keep an open minde

Derickab

Trick_Z28 u do u man. Anything is possible and if you say it happened then it did. Nobody here is a pro at any of this if they were then they wouldn't need to be on this site. You have to prove nothing to nobody its just sad that we have all these camaro enthusiest and they s**t on another camaro lover. I thought this was a friendly site but I guess not. I sit here and read threads for knowledge not to hear a bunch of whinning like babies. There are a few guys here that really know and some whish they did and have a lot of book smarts. We all should know numbers and words aren't always right. Sadam had nuclear weapons too, remeember that. If you don't like what he said don't reply.

TRICK_Z28

thx man, i aprichate your in put, all i wanted to know was what ppls times were with v6 camaros

facelessnumber

I'll say right now that I believe what you said is possible. See my previous post.

Can't wait to see the video. Engine shots would be great but at least make sure it has sound. Prove 'em wrong.

TRICK_Z28

thx cat, it is ppl like you that make me think that maby this sight aint so bad

facelessnumber

It's not.

Make a bold claim and you have to expect some disbelief. A 2.8 V6 in a thirdgen, doing a wheelie, naturally aspirated, is very hard to believe when guys on here have 400 horse motors that won't do that.

I think it's mostly a weight thing, but I don't automatically think you're lying.

To most of us though you might as well be talking about a unicorn until you get that vid. Please do, 'cause I don't want Derickab, Naft and myself looking like idiots for backing you up.

daves12secV6

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this is what a turbocharged 12 sec 3.1 looks like leaving the line
3 way adjustable drag shocks out back/lca relocation brackets,v8 1LE springs
adjustable front struts,progressive rate springs
car leaves off a 2 step @ 3,000 making 7+ psi of boost and its nowere near pulling the front end
even on real slicks i cant pull the front end when im building around 12 psi on the line

an dodnt use the gearing exscuse cause the car has 4:10s in it,and it used to have 4:56's which is the highest u can go in a oem rear housing as far as i know