I just successfully installed a "TrueTrac style" Torsen LSD/Posi in my BW 9-Bolt!
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Nice! Yeah you won't regret the Motive 3.70 gears and the Holden VL Torsen. The exchange rates are excellent right now although it looks like the sellers have raised the prices to compensate for the exchange rate to a degree. IIRC, my diff with shipping was around $520 US.
And yeah - all you do is occasionally change the fluid. Mine lights both tires on command and not a peep out of it. With the Torsen I haven't had a single concern about my 9 bolt the last few years. It's always back there and reliable for me.
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And yeah - all you do is occasionally change the fluid. Mine lights both tires on command and not a peep out of it. With the Torsen I haven't had a single concern about my 9 bolt the last few years. It's always back there and reliable for me.
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Nice! Yeah you won't regret the Motive 3.70 gears and the Holden VL Torsen. The exchange rates are excellent right now although it looks like the sellers have raised the prices to compensate for the exchange rate to a degree. IIRC, my diff with shipping was around $520 US.
And yeah - all you do is occasionally change the fluid. Mine lights both tires on command and not a peep out of it. With the Torsen I haven't had a single concern about my 9 bolt the last few years. It's always back there and reliable for me.
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And yeah - all you do is occasionally change the fluid. Mine lights both tires on command and not a peep out of it. With the Torsen I haven't had a single concern about my 9 bolt the last few years. It's always back there and reliable for me.
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So. Are the 3.27 - 3.42 Borg Warner ring and gear the same as the 10 bolt 3.27 - 3.42 ring gear? Im assuming that the carrier is sold without the ring and gear. Doesnt mention anything on those parts.
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Are the 3.27 - 3.42 Borg Warner ring and gear the same as the 10 bolt 3.27 - 3.42 ring gear?
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My guess would be they are all coming from the same factory. Just like the one 3.70 gear set that half a dozen different vendors sell..... they all come from the same factory in Ireland I believe.
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You might want to check with 9bolt.com because they show a 2.77 as a 2 series carrier. The 2.92 and up gears requires a 3 series carrier. http://9bolt.com/gears.html
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Re: I just successfully installed a "TrueTrac style" Torsen LSD/Posi in my BW 9-Bolt!
I just came back from the first test drive after installing an aftermarket "Torque Lock" Torsen (Helical Gear) LSD in my Borg Warner 9-bolt rear!
It began with me reading the 9-bolt facts thread, and some guy wrote that there was this company "Supa F Series Spares" in Australia that sells a Posi for a "VL" Holden Commodore that will fit the 9-bolt. I e-mailed them and they were sceptical about an australian made diff fitting an american car, so I sent another mail with photos that I took of my stock Borg Warner Separated Cone-LSD when I had it apart the last time. He then replied "it will fit". YES!
I ordered the diff for 495 Australian Dollars (approx 367 USD) + shipping. The total amount charge was about 527 US Dollars. Then the Swedish government wanted import tax and customs fee, so I paid approx 166 USD for that.
I also ordered new diff bearings from a local company, and a "SK SS10" Super Shim Kit from Rockauto because I had read somewhere that was what I needed. It was a USA Standard Gear part number USA55001, but the bag the kit came in said "Yukon Gear SKSS10". I had to replace the wheel bearings and seals too, as the seals were leaking since i last took the rear apart to replace my cones.
There was two problems that had to be solved to fit the diff. Number 1, that I knew of beforehand, and number 2 that I discovered myself.
1. The pinion teeth hit the case. You should machine the pinion to get clearance. I used and angle grinder to "machine" my pinion because I didn't want to remove it and have to do the "setup procedure".
2. The carrier bearing cups that are listed at parts vendors for a BW 9-bolt is LM102910. That's what I bought. The cups that were installed in the rear from the factory said LM102911, and were slightly wider.
The problem with the smaller cups was that you couldn't tap the spacers in place with the smaller bearing cups because the roller cage and carrier bearing seat were sticking out farther than the cup.
I eventually solved it by putting two of the shims between the spacer and the bearing cup, and a thick shim closest to the spacer so that it wouldn't get damaged as easily when tapping the spacer in place.
Here are some pics from the install!
The diff box, very anonymous. No mark, make or brand name anywhere. I still don't know which company that make these.
The diff as it looked just out of the box. It had corrosion protection on it.
Here I put the new diff beside the original Borg Warner Cone LSD to check if the ring gear seemed to be in the same place. It matched perfectly.
Here is a picture of the Yukon Gear SK SS10 Super Shim Kit. It consists of two 2-piece spacers that you fill up with shims to get the thickness you want. When put together they can be handled like a solid spacer (tapped in place between axle housing and side bearing cup). On the ziplock bag you see one 2-piece spacer to the right, and some shims to the left.
This is the modification you have to make to the Pinion so that it doesn't hit the new diff's barrel-shaped housing (that is fatter than the stock BW Cone diff). I used an angle grinder and removed material little by little until I could spin the diff freely when put in place with no ring gear on it.
This shows the old bearing cup LM102911, and the new bearing cup LM102910.
Here you can see the difference in width between the LM102910 (right) and the LM102911 (left) bearing cups. Note that I tried using the old larger bearing cups, but with them the new spacers were too thick to fit, even with only one shim in them.
Here is a picture of how I solved the problem with the new smaller bearing cups preventing me from tapping the last spacer in place.
Here is a picture of the new diff installed, side bearing preload and backlash set, caps torqued down.
And here, the photo you've all been waiting for. Does it work? Yes. It works.
So far everything seems good. I drove approx 20 miles tonight, did two burnouts and nothing has exploded yet. Cross your fingers for it staying that way!
Feel free to ask any questions about the install. As far as I know, I'm the first thirdgen owner to install an aftermarket diff in a 9-Bolt. At least I haven't found any thread about it anywhere when searching online! I'm really tired right now (its 12:19 AM in Sweden right now), but I was so excited after the test drive so I just had to post this!
It began with me reading the 9-bolt facts thread, and some guy wrote that there was this company "Supa F Series Spares" in Australia that sells a Posi for a "VL" Holden Commodore that will fit the 9-bolt. I e-mailed them and they were sceptical about an australian made diff fitting an american car, so I sent another mail with photos that I took of my stock Borg Warner Separated Cone-LSD when I had it apart the last time. He then replied "it will fit". YES!
I ordered the diff for 495 Australian Dollars (approx 367 USD) + shipping. The total amount charge was about 527 US Dollars. Then the Swedish government wanted import tax and customs fee, so I paid approx 166 USD for that.
I also ordered new diff bearings from a local company, and a "SK SS10" Super Shim Kit from Rockauto because I had read somewhere that was what I needed. It was a USA Standard Gear part number USA55001, but the bag the kit came in said "Yukon Gear SKSS10". I had to replace the wheel bearings and seals too, as the seals were leaking since i last took the rear apart to replace my cones.
There was two problems that had to be solved to fit the diff. Number 1, that I knew of beforehand, and number 2 that I discovered myself.
1. The pinion teeth hit the case. You should machine the pinion to get clearance. I used and angle grinder to "machine" my pinion because I didn't want to remove it and have to do the "setup procedure".
2. The carrier bearing cups that are listed at parts vendors for a BW 9-bolt is LM102910. That's what I bought. The cups that were installed in the rear from the factory said LM102911, and were slightly wider.
The problem with the smaller cups was that you couldn't tap the spacers in place with the smaller bearing cups because the roller cage and carrier bearing seat were sticking out farther than the cup.
I eventually solved it by putting two of the shims between the spacer and the bearing cup, and a thick shim closest to the spacer so that it wouldn't get damaged as easily when tapping the spacer in place.
Here are some pics from the install!
The diff box, very anonymous. No mark, make or brand name anywhere. I still don't know which company that make these.
The diff as it looked just out of the box. It had corrosion protection on it.
Here I put the new diff beside the original Borg Warner Cone LSD to check if the ring gear seemed to be in the same place. It matched perfectly.
Here is a picture of the Yukon Gear SK SS10 Super Shim Kit. It consists of two 2-piece spacers that you fill up with shims to get the thickness you want. When put together they can be handled like a solid spacer (tapped in place between axle housing and side bearing cup). On the ziplock bag you see one 2-piece spacer to the right, and some shims to the left.
This is the modification you have to make to the Pinion so that it doesn't hit the new diff's barrel-shaped housing (that is fatter than the stock BW Cone diff). I used an angle grinder and removed material little by little until I could spin the diff freely when put in place with no ring gear on it.
This shows the old bearing cup LM102911, and the new bearing cup LM102910.
Here you can see the difference in width between the LM102910 (right) and the LM102911 (left) bearing cups. Note that I tried using the old larger bearing cups, but with them the new spacers were too thick to fit, even with only one shim in them.
Here is a picture of how I solved the problem with the new smaller bearing cups preventing me from tapping the last spacer in place.
Here is a picture of the new diff installed, side bearing preload and backlash set, caps torqued down.
And here, the photo you've all been waiting for. Does it work? Yes. It works.
So far everything seems good. I drove approx 20 miles tonight, did two burnouts and nothing has exploded yet. Cross your fingers for it staying that way!
Feel free to ask any questions about the install. As far as I know, I'm the first thirdgen owner to install an aftermarket diff in a 9-Bolt. At least I haven't found any thread about it anywhere when searching online! I'm really tired right now (its 12:19 AM in Sweden right now), but I was so excited after the test drive so I just had to post this!
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He got he wrong parts from his supplier in Sweden. They have a cataloging error. The correct parts list from Ratech is in my post:
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/tran...rg-warner.html
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https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/tran...rg-warner.html
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Old thread, I know....
But, I think that I found these on Alibaba for WAY less money.
Can anyone confirm that I am looking at the right part? I have a Borg Warner rear out of an 86 Trans Am that I will be putting into my Camaro.
https://www.alibaba.com/product-deta...4cf65739de3g6T
But, I think that I found these on Alibaba for WAY less money.
Can anyone confirm that I am looking at the right part? I have a Borg Warner rear out of an 86 Trans Am that I will be putting into my Camaro.
https://www.alibaba.com/product-deta...4cf65739de3g6T
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I can send you the eBay 300 dollar link
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Remember it's in Australian so actually a hundred cheaper or more. Best of luck to y'all I just purchased one myself.
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I think that I am going to try the Alibaba one. I just sent the manufacturer an email requesting a price for a single unit. I will let you guys all know how it works out!
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Update: I placed an order today after several days of communication with people in China to verify fitment and payment information.
Current total cost was around $280 USD shipped for (1) unit.
This is the unit I ordered.
https://m.alibaba.com/product/1600729573620/BRAND-NEW-M78-TORQUE-LOCK-L.html
Current total cost was around $280 USD shipped for (1) unit.
This is the unit I ordered.
https://m.alibaba.com/product/1600729573620/BRAND-NEW-M78-TORQUE-LOCK-L.html
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Continuation of the saga. Received the part on 8/28/23. So approximately 1.5 weeks from purchase till receipt. However, I placed the order on Friday and it didn't ship until Monday. (China is basically one day ahead of us)
Part appears to be of good quality and looks to be the same as what Mace is selling. I will provide additional updates once I get bearings and shims, and install the unit.
Part appears to be of good quality and looks to be the same as what Mace is selling. I will provide additional updates once I get bearings and shims, and install the unit.
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I'm definitely interested. I would like this to install my new ring and pinion on and in a new housing so I have no down time trying to do the gear setup
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I need to get one of these ordered
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The Alibaba one that I linked above is half the price of the Mace unit on ebay. I believe them to be the same unit based on others comment on how the Mace Eng says "made in China" on the box.
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I want to apologize, I linked the first company which I contacted. They were not interested in selling to me and I never updated with a link to the second company.
The second company had no problems.
https:/m.alibaba.com/product/1600729573620/BRAND-NEW-M78-TORQUE-LOCK-L.html
The second company had no problems.
https:/m.alibaba.com/product/1600729573620/BRAND-NEW-M78-TORQUE-LOCK-L.html
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The first link provided, I contacted the vendor and you cannot buy one. The second link I did not contact the vendor but if you scroll down it the vendor does provide lead time for just 1 unit. I might contact the vendor in the next few days to get details.
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https://m.alibaba.com/product/160072...UE-LOCK-L.html
I had to contact them to purchase a single unit. I told them that I wanted one for testing.
I am not sure why the second link wasn't working for everyone.
I had to contact them to purchase a single unit. I told them that I wanted one for testing.
I am not sure why the second link wasn't working for everyone.
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I tried to grab a couple from the alibaba site (2 different suppliers) and they are no longer selling "retail".
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