joshh44

im doing some tranny shopping.
here are my options of trannys.

TKO 500/600
T56 from 4th gen camaro
T5 with G force parts
TH-350 or the TH-400
Super T-10

i just came across the T-10 today and i searched the search on the board but i couldnt find what i was looking for.
what is the Tq. rating of the super T-10 tranny?
im hoping my engine will put out 500HP when im done with it and my stock T5 wont hold up to that kind of power.

Demon355

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Best going with the TKO600 as they can be bolted into our cars. I use to have a Super T10 that I was going to use in my Camaro but it's too much of a hassle to install so I sold it. They can hold whatever you can throw at them.

joshh44

i was kind of leaning towards the TKO600.
im building a drag car so im hoping to get low 12s if not high 11s for this year and next year try to get it to 10s then eventryally try to get to low 9s in not high 8s. i know you can get low 10s with a standard. i just want something that would hold togather. i was reading about the TH350 and i can get them for fairly cheap for about $1200 and comes with trans break and hold up to 800hp. i was thinking of maybe going that route and get a good shiftkit and a good shifter since there a bolt on as well.
but i enjoy driving a standard much more tho.

how difficult would it be to install super t10?

Air_Adam

I don't know the official torque rating of the T10, but I have a T10 from an '82 Trans Am in my Z28, and its doing just fine behind my 400hp 350ci. And I abuse it out at the track all summer long. Gone through 3 rear ends with it too.

joshh44

i was thinking about gettng the one from jegs for $1500. but if its going to cost me more then a TK0600 ill probably get the TKO but the T-10 is cheaper. i guess i could look threw the auto wreckers and look for one from an '82. how do you identfy if its a super T-10? i would think they are only a limited of hem.

Air_Adam

A T10 will have an alumium case (iron case 4-spd is the bad one) and reverse is left-up beside first gear.

joshh44

yeah i know where the revurse is lol.
im just trying to find what is best. im not to ure how much the clutch is going to cost that would hold up to the power. i dont want any clutch slipping. so i gotta look for a good strong clutch. or if not eather good stall.

Sonix

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I think the concept of "clutch slipping" is something that people have been spreading to help sell aftermarket clutch setups. I don't doubt if you have 700HP you probably need a heavy duty clutch, but a 300-400HP engine probably doesn't need one. Kinda like how everyone and their dog rips off a q-jet and puts on a Holley for their 300HP engine, simply because everyone else does that...
I'm still running the stock clutch on my 1982 T-10 and i've broken a rear end with it, and have yet to feel it "slip", ever. I could rev it and dump it in 4th gear from a dead stop and it'd just bog down the engine. Or rev it and dump it in 2nd gear and blow a factory Auburn differential to smithereens!

Reverse is left and forward, as opposed to it being left and BACKWARDS. The other 4 speed in 1982 cars (the more common one) was left and backwards, that's a Saginaw, and not a good tranny.

The Super T-10 was also used in 2nd gen Camaros a lot more than our cars. Check on 2nd gen sites to see how fast those guys are going on these trannys (hint, big blocks).
If you don't mind the lack of OD, ie. you won't be taking it on the highway much, it's a damn good tranny. I have an oldsmobile for highway trips, and my Trans-am for ripping up pavement in town.

To use a T-10 you'll need
-A longer driveshaft 1982-1983 length.
-probably the crossmember for a pre 1983 car. Or an aftermarket one
-You can either use the mechanical bellhousing and z-bar setup, or a lakewood hydraulic BH, with your stock hydraulics (I don't think you can use your existing bellhousing), or get a hydraulic throwout bearing, and a the mechanical bellhousing.

joshh44

oh ok thanks for the heads up.
i wont be pushing 700hp anytime soon maybe in the near future not soon haha
thanks for the info. really helps.

ill check out some 2nd gen boards and see what they have.
would the stock T-5 replacement clutch work with the super T-10 tranny??
i might upgrade the clutch to something alittle more heavy duty then the clutch for the t-5.
i could always upgrade the parts inside the T10 so it can handle more tq.
but im on my way to check some 2nd gen websites..

Sonix

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Yea the super T-10 and T5 take the same clutch, 10.4" 27 spline 1 1/8" shaft.
I doubt you'll need to upgrade any internals. I'd recommend a good shifter, I have the Hurst Super comp for mine.

joshh44

thanks. that makes it easy for clutch changing. anyways ill look into a good shifter. i like the short throw style shifters. ill see what i can get tho.

how much was it for you to install your super T-10 tranny? or did your already come with your car?

Sonix

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Came stock in the car. Previous owner had put in the Hurst super comp. I'm putting in a Hayes (I think) hydraulic throwout bearing because I hate my z-bar.

joshh44

ill probably goahead and get a super T-10 tranny. i been doing some search and there a pretty fair price for what yourgetting so im not disapointed in that.
found one from jegs im thinking of getting. but ill probably check out the wreckers and some 2nd gen camaros and see what they are offering for them.
how do you tell if its a super T-10 and not just the T-10 trany?

Air_Adam

All the T10s from the '70s and up are 'Super T10'... the original T10 was made in the '50s.

Be careful which one you get though. The ones in the '82 F-bodies were unique - different from the 2ndgen units.

The difference is that the 3rdgen T10s had the provisions to mount the torque arm on the side of the transmission, whereas the 2ndgen ones did not. Because of this, the 3rdgen T10s actually had the shifter mounted on a bracket that bolted up to the passenger side of the transmission and held the shifter just above the trans. The 2ndgen units had the shifter bolted right up to the case on the drivers side. The 3rdgen T10 uses its own special shifter and set of shifter rods - both can still be bought from Hurst though, no big deal.

The ones from the 2ndgens can be installed in these cars, but it does require the correct 3rdgen 4-spd bellhousing because the clutch fork location is different (both the Saginaw and T10 use the same bellhousing - different from the T5 though). It also requires an aftermarket crossmember that relocates the torque arm mount to the trans crossmember instead of on the side of the trans.

If you find a 3rdgen T10 setup out of a wrecked car or something, get EVERYTHING. The trans, bellhousing, shifter and rods, driveshaft, crossmember, torque arm and torque arm mount for the trans, and clutch linkage if possible. The driveshaft for the 4-spd is a few inches longer, and so is the torque arm. They are unique to the 4-spd cars.

joshh44

it sounds like to much of a hassle to try to bolt up a 2nd gen 4 speed.
ill see if i can find any wrecked 3rd gens with the 4 speed.
what year did the 3rd gens have the 4 speed? was it '82-'84??
i havnt seen any 4speeds around that i know of.
i know there outthere!
ill take a quicky look threw at the yard and see what they have.
thanks for all the info

Sonix

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82-83. 84 had the T5. Some 83's had the T5 too. 82 had either the 3 speed auto (common) or the crappy 4 speed stick (common) or the GOOD T-10 4 speed stick (RARE). So don't count on finding one....
You might find one for sale on this board, or in a local yard. Or if in doubt new.

joshh44

i didnt think the good T10s would be an easy find.
ill still check the yard. you never know what could be there
ill post a wanted add for that tranny on the board as well and see if anyone has one laying around. if not i might just fork up the extra dollars and get a brand new one. found one from jegs for $1500. ill still need to get all the parts from a '82 camaro that had the 4 speed manual i would imagine.

Air_Adam

For $1500 you could probably find a nice LT1 T56 setup. Its just as strong (stronger?) than the T10, plus the two overdrive gears.

The T10 I got out of that Trans Am only cost me $500 for everything. If it was much more than that, I probably would have gone with a T56 as it was my daily driver at the time.

BTW - the T10 in the Jegs catalog is the basically same one the 2ndgens had.

joshh44

i dont really care to much about the T56 with the 2 overdrives. my car isnt going to be a daily driver.
i want something that is going to hold up to aton of hp.
my goal was to get 500 hp this year but it doesnt look like ill get it ready intime. so ill wait till next year. so then i should have alot more money so ill probably try to get 600 - 750 hp so now im in search for a darn good tranny to hold the power. im not to sure if the T56 would hold up to that.
i know they make pretty good TH400 that could hold up to that.
i rather have a manual transmission but with that. ill proably wont be able to shift with the amount of acceleration at the track.
so it might be the end for the super T-10 for me unless they can handle that amount of power.

Air_Adam

A T56 is probably a good idea then, if you want a ton of power and a manual trans. Get an LT1 T56 setup, and have it upgraded to Dodge Viper specs and it should be fine to around 1000ft-lbs if I remember correctly. The T56 is one of the strongest manual transmissions around. I know a bunch of LS1 guys using the a stock T56 well into the 11s without major problems, and substantially faster with the Viper upgrades. That would be a good route to go even if you don't need the OD gears.

joshh44

yeah i guess thats true. i didnt know the T56 were that strong.
upgrade to viper specs eh. good idea :P
ill give it some thought.
i think it would be really difficult to shift into 3rd and 5th under really hard acceleration lol ill give it a shot tho.
anyways ill do some searching for some threads about the T56 and what not and get some price range for em.

Air_Adam

T56 is a very stout trans in stock form - probably better than the T10 was. Having the Viper upgrades done would make it even stronger.

72vega

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for a bellhousing, go with a lakewood for the third gen camaros 620-15020 and a torque arm from jegs w/ mount 550-40097 then you can put in any trans you want. i would get a muncie M22 from 5speeds.com. theyre 1800, but cheaper and SO much stronger than an original muncie.

Codename 47

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Go with a clutchless race transmission if you're building a race car.
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Maybe Jerico. I know a guy at the local track who is going to run it this summer. Replacing his TKO.

joshh44

yeah was thinking about the clutchless transmissions but i dont know of any.
i was thinking of a TH400 and putting a good shift kit on there.
its going to be mostly track with some minor summer time driving. probably afew times amonth to go to car shows and camaro get togeathers.
must pretty much strickly for drag.
i was looking at the powerglide transmissions but there only a 2 speed from what i know about them. and i dont know anything really about the powerglide or waht they are really used for. i would like to see low 10s or high 9s in the next coming year.
hardest thing is just trying to find a good transmission that wont explode after only 3 or 4 passes.
ill be willing to pay at least $2500 for a good tranny. maybe $3000 if i really really need to. anything under $2000 would be super awesome. i know the TH350/400 are really good. and sounds like the T56 are really good as well.
i heard good things about the Super T-10 as well. so its trying to find which one would do a better job.

Codename 47

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I don't think a T56 or T10 will last in a low 10 second/high 9 second car

72vega

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if you want clutchless, go with a Lenco http://www.lencoracing.com/ or a Liberty http://www.libertysgears.com/ but the Liberty website is bein screwy right now.. a Liberty usually goes for around 7000 and Lenco's are even more.

joshh44

ok well forget the clutchless trannys haha.
no way im paying 7 grand. unless someone else buys it for me lol

Codename 47

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There is also Jerico. Having a fast car is real expensive.

joshh44

oh i know haha. i didnt tink it would be that expensive.

72vega

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yeah those are 5000 and up...

joshh44

how much would it cost to get the T56 from a Viper cost? or at least get the camaro T56 and have it have Viper parts inside? if thats going to cost about $2500ish or so i might plan on that. if not.
i might get a cheap TH400 and just put some good parts in there that will well suit my needs

Codename 47

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Here's what I would do instead of starting a 40 page thread.

Build your motor and tell us where you're at.

Not many T56s are going to stand up to launching behind a high hp race motor.

As of now we are just guessing at what you need. Let us know when you get the motor built. Or when you have your EXACT parts list for it.