Charcoal Canister Solenoid Help
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Charcoal Canister Solenoid Help
89 Firebird Formula TPI
I have removed my charcoal canister and plugged the vent line from the gas tank. I was using what I thought was a vented gas cap, only to find out that it is mere a pre-vent type cap that lets the woosh out before you remove the cap. Fuel spills down the side of the car, nasty mess.
I will not vent an open tube out around my car. I cannot find a true vented gas cap. I'd love to if anyone knows where to get one.
I think I need to find a way to hook the CC back up. The issue is the stock ECM is gone, hence I need a way to control the purge solenoid. By just looking at it, there is a 2 wire connector (GRN & PNK); my guess is I need to get 12v and a ground to it. Is this the case? Can I use can constant 12v or should it be switched? Perhaps a rocker switch to apply/remove ground to activate it?
Thank you,
Eric
I have removed my charcoal canister and plugged the vent line from the gas tank. I was using what I thought was a vented gas cap, only to find out that it is mere a pre-vent type cap that lets the woosh out before you remove the cap. Fuel spills down the side of the car, nasty mess.
I will not vent an open tube out around my car. I cannot find a true vented gas cap. I'd love to if anyone knows where to get one.
I think I need to find a way to hook the CC back up. The issue is the stock ECM is gone, hence I need a way to control the purge solenoid. By just looking at it, there is a 2 wire connector (GRN & PNK); my guess is I need to get 12v and a ground to it. Is this the case? Can I use can constant 12v or should it be switched? Perhaps a rocker switch to apply/remove ground to activate it?
Thank you,
Eric
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Re: Charcoal Canister Solenoid Help
Yup, 12v switched and green to ground. But who really wants manual control of the charcoal canister? There's gotta be a better way than this.
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Re: Charcoal Canister Solenoid Help
I'm curious about that myself. I was thinking that maybe a non solenoid canister and TVS to control it say from a '77 Vette. Would that work?
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I would also like a simpler canister. I like the idea of keeping it on the car. but the lines are so nasty and breaking. my old thunderbird has a two line set up....
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Re: Charcoal Canister Solenoid Help
Older cars had charcoal canisters that didn't require a solenoid. You could go with one of those.
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can you tell me how you would hook up the old school can? i have a sucking vac lin on the back of the manifold and a non sucking one going to the tb!
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Re: Charcoal Canister Solenoid Help
I think you would want to hook up the Charcoal Canister directly to the TB, not the manifold. Manifold vacuum would be a huge vacuum leak. I ran mine on my L69 carb'd engine this way for years. Look for a canister from a carb'd car, roughly '85. You definitely don't want to run a plugged vent line.
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Re: Charcoal Canister Solenoid Help
If you keep the check valves that are just short of the canister, you may have to supply vacuum to that valve. It is designed to keep 2 psi pressure in the tank. Over 2 psi, it will allow flow to the canister. I think the vacuum opens that valve, and once the 2psi is exceeded you have flow. No vacuum might restrict flow.
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The check valves are the circular devices? I have one. So the line going to the rear of the manifold is the only line that is sucking air. I am really confused. I apologize. What exactly does the line coming from the TB do?
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Re: Charcoal Canister Solenoid Help
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Ok so I want the manifold line going to the check valve? which is the circular piece. Then I want the lower TB vac line going to the canister? Is this right? If so what hole with the TB line connect too? You rock man I am getting a visual finally. Thanks so much. The smell of gas is kiling me!
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Re: Charcoal Canister Solenoid Help
i have a 91 bird with a carb. i kept the canister in mine, it was set by my ecm to turn on once i went 5 miles per hour and up. so i just grounded the one wire and ran the 12 v to the ign. so when i start the car , the canister is open and working . i figure whats the difference, the only time im not goin over five miles an hour is at idle so why not just have it active all the time
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i wish i still had the wires to do it. my car has been hacked. i just want to run the lines like an old model car. they had 2 lines and it looked like a coffee can.
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Re: Charcoal Canister Solenoid Help
Ok so I want the manifold line going to the check valve? which is the circular piece. Then I want the lower TB vac line going to the canister? Is this right? If so what hole with the TB line connect too? You rock man I am getting a visual finally. Thanks so much. The smell of gas is kiling me!
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the holes are two different sizes. the problem is nothing is labeled and the hoses are all gone except for the hard lines coming from the tb and manifold.
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