minzzz21

hey,my father has a 1988 iroc tpi thats a show car.It has 100 original miles on it and has been in storage since 1998.We want to take it out this year but however,my father also has a 1985 corvette with 1400 original miles.We went to start it 2 weeks ago and the fuel pump was bad.So we changed it.it sat since 2004.Corvette fuel pump is alot easier to change since its on top.However we believe the camaro fuel pump is bad then.However he does not want to drop the tank since it is practially a new car.Is their anything we can like put in the tank to soften it up??

heres a video of the car back in 98

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SydK3gDrg_o

Justin89Formy

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you should do a search about cutting an access panel in the hatch area...you can change the pump without dropping the tank!

minzzz21

Thats too much of a hack job car is practically new he would rather drop the tank then do that lol He just doesnt want to mark up under the car.I Dropped the tank on my 91 z28 took 3 days just very tedious

the blur

those tanks are recalled anyway.

minzzz21

why?

Grim Reaper

Leaks. Actually, it's the filler pipe connecting to the tank. I'm not sure if it is still enforceable anymore. I think it is considered an "emission" issue, so it has the longest time possible.

Also, not sure if the bankruptcy will remove any of GM's liabilty - that's what bankruptcy is all about (stiffing your liabilties...and that could include warranty/recalls).

STRIKER911

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Ha. Im the first to say it. Sweet ride!!! I wonder if some pro-long, or seafoam would help?

Stephen

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Its not a hack job. Its correcting GMs error during design. You want 3 days or 30 minutes? You've modded that car WAY away from design & you concerned about modding it for a fuel pump swap?

Your dash has been "hacked"...Your seats have been "hacked"...The rear compartment has been "hacked"....The engine compartment has been "hacked". And your worried about the fuel pump mod??? Not like ANYBODY will ever possibly see it! As far from original as that car is anyways, originality is obviously not an isue, so cut away!

Irocz28NCHS

hack at it. nobody will ever see it and the car isnt completely original. but good luck with it.

deadbird

Somehow, with the amount of crap in the hatch, it appears dropping the tank is the only option. There is no magical cure for a bad fuel pump.

The answer seems slightly obvious and the question seems more like wanting attention to the video.

I've been wrong a lot though...

afremont

I think you're probably right here. Personally, I don't like the car. I was expecting a true "mint" car, not something from pimp my ride......

hot92RS

A shrewd way to get advertising. I did enjoy watching the vid.

DanTeix

Not impressed dude looks like a lot of wasted money on such a low mileage car with nothing original.

Dan

JamesC

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BTW, to the OP. If you think it's a hack job, regardless of what others may think, it's a hack job.

JamesC

minzzz21

First off,this is a true mint car.You dont see iroc's with 100 miles on them.The car is not original but was made better.3rd gen's are rattle and squeek boxes.Alot of time went into fixing what gm didnt do right.When i posted this add i just asked for peoples oninions about the fuel pump,i didnt ask for your opinion on the car,And i dont really give what you think about the car.If you dont have nothing nice to say,dont say it at all .I posted the video of the car just to be nice.Im not doing it for attention..This is not a pimp my ride car.This car is known all around the world in the car audio business.Believe what you like.

1986iroc350

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Id say a sawz-all. Would get that fuel pump out pretty quik with an access hole. cut under the carpet. Trust me the next owner might appreciate it.

minzzz21

Again i didnt ask you how you liked the car.I dont care that your not impressed i wasnt trying to impress you.I dont care if a cars original or not.Who are you to say it was wasted money.First off this car made millions.Let see what YOU built.My father built this car in the early 90's and is still one of the best sounding cars in the world .Another thing,what does it mean that it is not original.I not with this whole original thing,i make it better.
Im only 17 and was trying to get some opinions but whatever if the fuel pump has to be changed,we will drop the tank.

campin1983

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Unfortunately there's not a really easy way to get to that fuel pump. An access hatch would be the easiest way, but it would also likely do the most damage, forcing you to pull up carpet, which may be difficult to do on this car.

There's really no other way to get to the fuel pump, aside from dropping the tank. You could try adding some fuel treatment to see if that helps, but if the gas is really bad, you likely need to clean the tank out anyways to keep it from getting into the engine (if its not already).

I definitely understand the reluctance to take this car apart, but dropping the tank is the best option both to keep it in good shape and prevent further problems.

PS: It is a really nice ride, hope you guys can get it going again. You'll have to post another video once its up and running.

minzzz21

The only time i bring a sawzal near a camaro is when i chop the whole car up and sell the parts.The car is never going to be sold so its not a problem about a different new owner.My dad is still the first owner

1986iroc350

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Ya uhh watched the video and FARRR from original. A bunch of added extra weight id say. A good sound system is awesome. But man do they need to hear ya comin 2 miles away? Id rather someone hear my bada$$ motor and exhaust when im comin down the road.

minzzz21

Thank you..Actually we rolled the car out of the trailer yesterday.I took some pictures.We actually had to put a winch under the car to roller it out because my dad didnt want to touch the paint lol.It needs a nice cleaning but heres two pictures if you would like to see it..

1986iroc350

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Original IROC 16 inch rims?????? HMMMM

mmadden55

I would just drop the tank and flush it and replace the pump. BTW I saw where a guy had found a 88 IROC in a shipping container. No miles hadn't been through dealer prep and still had the plastic on the seats and wheel etc. Apparently had gotten misrouted somehow and been sitting in this shipping container for 21 years. They had decided to scrap the unclaimed containers that had been sitting in this pile for so long and opened them up and found all kinds of stuff including the IROC.

minzzz21

The car is heavier lol.Hes going to have to put airbags in the car because the back sags a little.He swaped out the coil springs and put bigger but it only worked for a little.

Yea,me and my brother are trying to convince him to swap out the exhaust and manifolds to put on longtubes and a duel exhaust,however he wants to leave the motor as it is.He doesnt want to start taking apart stuff on the engine and scratch it because it is a show car The engine is only a 305 TPI

campin1983

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Thanks for the pics. Looks like when you get that thing cleaned up after years of storage and get the fuel system up again, it should be a great car. It does suck that you gotta drop the tank, hopefully you won't have to go through and clean all the fuel lines out too. Gunky fuel is simply awful

When its cleaned up and running, be sure to start a thread to show it off. We always love to see good completed cars, it gives people with barely running cars (like me) something to shoot for.


And seriously guys... lay off. I've seen much more modded cars on this board that everyone raves about. This isn't much different than dropping a 4th gen interior in your ride with the 383 under hood. There are a rare few of us that have cars that are absolutely original. You also have to pay attention to the fact that this car was modified in the 90's, likely shortly after it rolled off the line. Its not like an all original barn find that was suddenly modded. Its always been meant to look like it does now.

These folks have an extremely nice car that they want to take to shows and celebrate their 3rd gen. Its a lot of great work, let them enjoy it and lets help them get it running again.

minzzz21

Actually this car came with 17'' iroc rims.Not 16''

minzzz21

yes exactly.Thanks..Like we also restore cars so we are not so hack shop that hurts cars.Like my father brought a LT4 1997 camaro back in 97.He was going to do a system like his iroc.He changed his mind because he didn't want to hurt such a rare car.

1986iroc350

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DUDE!! Seriously Ok so its a nice car BUT!! THey NEVER AND I MEAN NEVER put a 17 inch wheel from the factory on ANY CAMARO!!! NOT an IROC NOT ANY!!!

minzzz21

The car was a dealer showroom car before my dad brought it and maybe they ordered aftermarket 17'' for display.You act like you know everything


when i find the old polaroid of it ill upload it.Their was another picture of it sitting next to my fathers 87 iroc and you could tell see the different but i know 87 had different rims but whatever.

Stephen

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That just means it was Dealership modified from day one.

I think the problem everyone (me included) is your reference of it being "mint", which implies original, which it isn't, by any stretch of anyone's imagination.

Nice show car, no doubt there, but VERY little is still original.

afremont

It's not "mint", it is extremely modified and happens to have very low mileage. You should look up the definiton of "mint condition" before arguing about it. And there were never any 17" wheels on IROCs from the factory.

JamesC

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I see threads like this one from time to time, where the OP's question turns into a maelstrom of criticism about the OP or the OP's car. More often than not, the threads are locked--and with good reason, I think: They contribute nothing of significant worth.

JamesC

DanTeix

OK so to the OP seriously dont post a title that says 100 Original Mile Mint Iroc and suck people in to your post thinking they are going to see an 100 ORIGINAL MILES IROCZ IN MINT CONDITION seriously what did you expect. I never said the car wasnt nice cause it is, I was just kinda disappointed when I saw the video and nothing was original and can not be considered mint because its been altered.

Dan

By the way my cars a Junker LOL!

minzzz21

How about you tell me what mint means.MINT DOES NOT MEAN ORIGINAL.Lets see Your mint car.I didnt ask you for your opinion

compared to cars i see on the website and you guys want to criticize me about my car please go find something better to do.All i asked was a simple question about the fuel tank and it turned in this whole fiasco

BTW HERES THE CAR BACK IN 88 WITH 17''

arrowcamaro

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Those arent 17's

leopold

I'm new to this web site thing as you can see by my specs but wow talk about getting picked on, sorry i don't have to much to say about the fuel tank thing other then have fun dropping it. The car on the other hand, not what i would have done but i get it , my brothers an audio guy, had 2, 15 and 4, 12 inch subs in this peace of crap SUV, you could feel you pants moving on your leg, I'm shur your dads is more of a higher quality of sound but I get what he wanted.

RED_DRAGON_85

those are 16 x 8 IROC rims.
and are not the same wheels in the first pic posted.
dont believe me?
its easy, look at the tire.
if its a 17 inch tire, guess what... 17 inch wheel.
16 inch tire, 16 inch wheel.

drop the tank

afremont

Look dude, I didn't really criticize your car. I just said that I didn't like it myself, get over it. I do have a problem with your usage of the word mint. Think about coins that are in "mint condition" and what that means exactly. As for your fuel pump, it seems obvious; drop the tank.

My car isn't "mint" any more since I've put 20K miles on it since buying it new in 1990. It's pretty straight and has a nice interior though it could use a repaint. There were no 17" IROC rims, ever......

Stephen

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Careful.....There ARE 17" versions made now, but not back in 88, when the car was brand new on the dealership showroom.

And yeah....SURE look like 16" versions to me. How about a close up (and clear quality) of the tire size? We can't dispute the size, with a good pic showing THAT car with 17" tires on 17" IROC wheels.

You've opened the door to skepticism, about it even being your (dads) car, rather than just a video you found on the internet. Wouldn't be the first time we've seen a person claiming that car is his.

//<86TA>\\

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they really do look like 16's, and like it has been pointed out, there are larger replica wheels, but they are all pretty new.

And and FYI in case this missed you, a 16" wheel will measure roughly 17" in overall diameter, so if thats how you are measuring the wheels, then that explains everything. The tires will also tell you what size they are, so if you have the numbers off the tires that will work too.

As for you other people, CUTTING A HOLE IN THE TRUNK, AND CUTTING AND SPLICING THE FUEL LINES, IS NOT IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM THE "RIGHT" "CORRECT" "SHOULD_HAVE_BEEN" ECT WAY OF CHANGING A FUEL PUMP. In a race car that requires constant maintenance, sure, but a street car? How many times do you have to change a pump? every 15 years? I just cannot fathom why some of you people think this is a perfectly acceptable option. It is so blatantly a hack job, It just blows my mind

And if it took the OP 3 days to drop the tank and change the pump, he was taking him good old time. A competent person can do it in a few hours. Honestly, probably just a little longer than it takes to hack the hole in the floor.

Back to topic, OP, there is nothing you can put in the tank that will fix the pump. Drop the tank, flush the tank out, the gas in it is probably garbage, swap the pump and be done with it. No one will ever know you took the bolts out, and most other people wont care. Its a maintenance item and these things need to be fixed from time to time, no harm done.

Killert

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Dropping the tank is only a few hour job if you have a buddy with you. I had to do it twice in my Firebird in one week. Took 4 hours from when I start until I had it running each time (with the help of my buddy). The Carter pump I put in the first wouldn't hold pressure. I found an original AC Delco and it works great

deadbird

You're trying to use semantics to justify the car beiing something more than it is.

Mint, in a more urban definition, just means something cool. I'll give it that, it's a nice car.

Mint in the collectible automotive world, means something in original perfect condition.

When you say a mint 63 vette with 100 original miles on it, you don't think of a ls1 and 20's tacked onto iit.

It's 100 original miles... who f---ing cares... it's far from original or retaining any of its true original 'mint' value. You would be further ahead if it was truly a 100 mile original car as you wouldn't have spent the money and the car would be more valuable as a collector vehicle.

Regardless, your original question, which you already knew the answer to, has been answered.

minzzz21

Someone else claimed this car to be theirs.>?The picture of the iroc rims were taken back in 1988,then shortly after he put of the rims you see in the video.He did this car back in 1992 when irocs were everywhere,Soon we plan on getting a new ss camaro and doing the same.

Next time ill think twice before i ever post anything on this site.I didnt open the door to anything.All i asked was a question and people became ignorant.

minzzz21

my dad had the original rims and sold them a few weeks after he got the car.I am sorry about the iroc rims i thought they came with 17''.I thought the base z28 came with 16's and iroc with 17''.The reason being is that my 85 iroc has 17'S(AFTERMARKET).I just get offended when i seen all the work go into that car and everyone trashing it.Mint to me means in excellent shape with nothing wrong.

when my 1991 z28 fuel tank went bad,it didnt even cross my mind to cut a hole in the back.I figure if you not going to do it right dont do it at all. I was 16 at the time and only could do it a couple of hours after work.The rear end blew the spyder gear so i swapped in a bourg warner 9 bolt. and i had to find a new tank so thats why it took 3 days.The goose neck was moving around like crazy.

minzzz21

This car is different then every iroc out their and thats why he built it that way.Its Different.In the early 90's everyone had these cars(im in nyc so they were big as far as what i was told).Starting with the paint and ending with the interor.

I never thought i would meet such rude people.I posted the car with the questions just to be nice,to show my dads 100 mile car because i know this website is about 3rd gens and figure i show one thats been babied its whole life..To all the people who were helpful.thanks

Ca[maro]88

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theyre not rude, a lot a LOTT of people on this website idolize these cars, and when somebody changes something they hate seeing it. especially somehting that extreme of a sound system. people appreciate the work, they just dont appreciate the work that was done to it. if its not their cup of tea, they let you know in a hurry. this site is crazy when it comes to people trash talking their opinions (ive done it pletny of times). it just happens

dont think bad of this site because a few people voiced their opinion. this is a great site and if you want info about you Camaro, then come here cause it has many years of answers.

Stephen

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Your twisting what I said....TO SOMEBODY ELSE. Notice I QUOTED the person I was taking to, when I said that?

I'm far from ignorant & I'll refrain from responding to that insult. I've not been insulting at all.....yet....to you.

Your post was more of a "look what I have..." Not actually asking for any advice. You were showing off what you (your dad) has. Nice car.

It's the word "mint" that riled everybody up. See what a 4-letter word can do? Without that 1 word, this could have been a civilized post, except for the never ending debate of the fuel pump access door mod.

minzzz21

Alright then i didnt really want any problems i just wanted some peoples opinions about the fuel pump.I was trying to make conversation,i wasnt trying to show off the car.People interpret things in different ways i just figured id show some people the car because i stated it only had 100 miles on it.Im not trying to state in any form that my iroc is any better then anyone elses out their.It is just different.This has been my arguement the whole time.


and i didnt say that you yourself was ignorant.I worded it wrong.Ignorance towards the whole mint thing.

btw im going to start a new post because at our shop we have alot rebuilt powdercoated tpi's and want to sell them.Would i put them in tpi form or a for sale..Thanks h

1986iroc350

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I certainly DO NOT KNOW EVERYTHING!! Especially about Irocs. You can see form my previous posts ive asked ALOT of questions. about My 86 Iroc. All im trying to say is
A-- the car is NICE
B-- The car is NOT mint
C--ONLY 16 Inch IROC rims were EVER FACTORY MADE PERIOD!!!
D--You can go in ebay now and buy 22inch IROC STYLE rims. They are after market btw.
E--The Car your dad has a really nice car except the chopped up doors and all that fancy speaker enclosure stuff.
F--again NOT MINT NOT ORIGINAL.
G-MINT is the guy on here that found a iroc in a trailer on a farm somewhere with 4 miles on it. THATS MINT!!
H--WElcome to the boards!! and yes as Camaro88 said we take pride in what we have and cherish the little things. and are VERY skeptical when someone says their dads car is MINT!
I--Also take Stephans and Others advice as well.
J-- i could go thru the whole alphabet here
K--You can rack up all your posts and be a SENIOR MEMBER on this post ALONE!! Whew scarry!! LOL
L-- My car is mint too its a 1986 IROCz with a 350 tpi in it. is mine aftermarket or MINT? Hint Hint only 50 were made. and one is NOT MINE!!
M--Have your dad post here we would LOVE to hear from him. have a great day!

DanTeix

Dont worry dude, read around the forum your not the first or the last person that has been or will be flamed. In my opinion everyone has taken it pretty easy on you I have seen much worse.

Dan