johnyIROC

Anyone know whats going on with Bill 20? Bill 241 was the vaugly worded proposed legislation what was to outlaw performance parts on street cars.... The auto enthusiasts with the help of SEMA successfully killed this bill with a great letter writing campaign and a series of petitions.

Bill 241 was scrapped... but then they put it back out there as Bill 20.... worded much better... this time the only performance part mentioned was Nitrous Oxide... and even Nitrous is allowed as long as it isn't hooked up and not reachable from the driver or passenger seat. The last I heard is that this passed first reading... but then I never heard anything after that..... anyone know what happened? I looked up the HTA.. and section 172 still has no clause about nitrous oxide... and nothing about impounding suspected street racers...

HalfInchWrench

I never even heard it was back and I could be considered a news junkie. They must have kept it pretty quiet.

George

According to Quicklaw:

Bill 20 - Road Safety Act 2003, Bill to amend the HTA.

Passed first reading May 5, 2003.

Did not get past second reading.

I didn't see anything in current Bills which would suggest that it's being brought back but then I didn't look that close as there was a schitload of new ones and my attention span exceeded its limit.

HalfInchWrench

So is there really a bill 241? Where did you hear about it johny?

Half-baked goggle-box do-gooders telling everybody it's bad for you!

johnyIROC

Wow... that is very interesting... bill 20 was also killed? I actually thought bill 20 was reasonable.... so does that mean we can drive around with the N20 hooked up?

johnyIROC

Bill 241 was the old one... before bill 20....


Bill 241 was killed after SEMA and the automotive enthusiasts wrote a massive ammount of letters...

Apparently Bill 20 was also killed but I'm not sure exactly why.. I'm not sorry to see it go though because it had an ambiguous clause saying they could impound any car suspected of street racing... without any proof that they were in fact street racing (eg hanging around the wrong crowd).

HalfInchWrench

I remember when 20 went down. I was quite happy it got the death it deserved.

I thought you meant 241 was newer. I don't even remember that one.

If they want a bill like that then just retarded ***** unsafe bills would be ok. I saw a honda driving down the street today just bouncing up and down so hard, he was coming up out of his seat. Don't know what he was using, air system or something. He was driving merrily along like that the whole time I could see him which was about 3 k's. That can't be safe. Never mind desireable.

Acceld Z

No air, just cut springs. It's cool.

Cruzin Kaz

Legally you were never allowed to drive with a N20 bottle, as you need a license to carry compressed gas. This has been a fact long before any of these bills, most cops just nevered bothered busting you if you weren't using it.

johnyIROC

Wow.... can I get some more info on that one? So I'm not allowed to transport gas for our welder? Or a propane tank for the BBQ?

Acceld Z

I don't think that that is true.

Do you require a license to carry around the refrigerent in your AC system?

You are allowed to have a nitrous bottle in the car. It just cannot be hooked up to the line or readily hooked up to the line. That's the way it has always been explained to me.

Jay, ask on midnightruns. A bunch of guys are running juice.

IROC-Z28_CAMARO

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I work for a propane company and you only need your dangerous goods licience when you transport more than a certain weight. It is the equivelent to 5 forklift tanks I think.

Acceld Z

That would be alot of NAWS

IROC-Z28_CAMARO

iTrader: (4)

Yes it would. Something like 165 pounds of it.

cam-

You are not allowed to carry any compressed gas cylinders in a passenger car. Propane is not compressed gas but Nitrous is. If you have a truck and its in the back fine although you are suposed to have a license attached to the vehicle ( those aluminum triangles with the coresponding symbol and numbers ) but its not legal to carry in the trunk or any other area for that matter of a passenger car.

johnyIROC

I'm sure you are correct... but can you tell me what section of the HTA that is in? It makes sense... as compressed gas can be very dangerous... if you were to knock the valve off of a big full bottle it could easily spin your car. I just never knew it was in black and white.. we always transport the bottles for our welder... and I don't see how it is different than propane... propane is definitely compressed... or else it would not come out when you open the valve... I guess maybe propane is technically a liquid... but N20 can be also.

cam-

The "Transportation of Dangerous Goods" paragraphs 2.14(e) and 2.24(a) deals with this and to get licensed you must be certified by the CGA ( compressed gas association )

Its been five years or so since I no longer need to stay up on this but the basic jist of it all is propane has a couple of discretionary loop holes because practically everyone has a BBQ and takes their tanks to get filled in the trunk of their car. One cylinder is fine multiples and you can get into trouble. Nitrous is a no no any which way its read. Understandable I guess if you have ever seen a compressed gas tank blow... Its unreal the energy stored inside even a small tank. I used to have a link of two *******s with an outdated cylinder unprotected in the back of their truck that blew... Turned them and the truck into little bitty pieces



Propane is not a compressed gas it is a liquid filled in containers no greater than 80% by volume. The only reason it blows out when you open the valve is it has a boiling point of -42.1C or -43.8 F. The pressure fluctuates from the boiling effect as the temp rises but even at 100F its still less than 200 PSI so there is no real danger of pressure explosion from a puncture although there is a fair risk of flammable explosion. Anyway I'm tapped if you need more

cam-

Of course now that i think about it some more I could be so out of date on that info that it may be redundant now anyways

George

The Transportation of Dangerous Goods Act still requires that cars fitted with nitrous be preceded by a dude on a horse waving a red flag.

You can get the little green stickers at Performance Improvements. You have to have them on the car so that the Fire Department will know that there's an accelerant on board and not to come anywhere near you if the car catches fire..lol

cam-

Lol. Isn't that just for the safety crew on the track? I dont think thats a pass on the street but what do i know I'm only bushwahckin here and everything i just said could be a load

Maybe halfinch has more info on this

I do have one more thing to add about the difference in pressure vessle ratings. There is low pressure 200-400 PSI and high pressure 401 PSI plus. I just did a little read up on Nitrous and its boiling point is about -90 C and at 20 C its about a thousand PSI.