red irocz28

I know probably a topic that is on here a lot but for example how would z28 iroc 350 tpi completley stock go up against the new camaros like the v6 and the v8. Thanks

Yager90IROC

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Well a stock 350 tpi, runs about 14.5, a few tenths quicker with the G92 option.
The 2010 v6 runs roughly the same 14.2-14.5 and the SS runs 13 flat.

big hammer

no joke some of the l99's ran so poorly in 2010 they ran 14's.

Unchained88

Well I never got to race any new Camaros with my old 84, but I have raced a few in my LS1. The SS's pull on me starting around 3rd gear and dont stop, so you can imagine what they would do to a thirdgen. My friend had an 89 Iroc with a 5.7 that had exhaust, a throttle body, intake, maybe some more I'm forgetting and the new v6 Camaros would be neck and neck with him pretty much the whole time.

SDTransAM

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The new Camaro's are so badass. I love how even the v6 5th gens sound. It's crazy they are pushing over 300hp with a stock v6. True Camaro people cannot hate those cars, as they are everything a Camaro should be, they are going back to where we started with these cars in the late 60's. Just with a badass modern twist to them.

Us 3rd gen people are just the "outkasts" of the Camaro generations. I love them all though.

Seriously though, my wife has a slow as hell 117hp (at the crank) ford focus, that can pull on my stock lg4 camaro. But I still ****ing love these 3rd gens.

fly89gta

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Then they had crappy drivers or horrid weather conditions or in high elevations...they're not 14 seconds cars under normal circumstances.

big hammer

there were a good amount of l99 in 2010 that came out with tune issues. they were seriously slow.

sjgrimsley

We've got a 2010 SS A6. I'm not super impressed with it's performance, although it does run very well.
I have run it in my car and I can pull away at any speed, but my car isn't stock at all.
The Camaro averages 22.5 mpg. My car averages about 19-20.

red rock

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Seriously though, my wife has a slow as hell 117hp (at the crank) ford focus, that can pull on my stock lg4 camaro. But I still ****ing love these 3rd gens.[/QUOTE]

Thats sad. Although the focus is quite a bit lighter.

ZZ3 Z28

The couple of V6's I've heard sounded like a misfiring Toyota Celica. I was not impressed. I consider myself a true Camaro person, too and I think the 5th gen is horrendous, completely cartoonish looking. The front end is almost laughable. But that's just me, ya' know.

sjgrimsley

Reading this thread I see an ad at the top of the page for the 2012 V6 Camaro haha
It says 323hp and 30mpg. Sounds pretty dang good if you ask me.

Orr89RocZ

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Been in V6 camaro 2010's...not that impressed. Got some ***** but they are heavy. Didnt feel as strong as my bolt on L98. Would be a close race tho since TPI has no top end. Dig the L98 should win. I ran v6 2010 camaro in my 99 TA with bolt ons and walked it pretty good. I've run LS1 cars in my bolt on L98 and hung alot better but still got worked.

Ran SS's in my bolt on 99 TA... got pulled alittle...ran them from a dig and I get out ahead due to drag radials but from a roll they are slightly faster. I run 12.2's at 110 in COLD air low DA. SS's trap 112-113 mph it seems

J91

The New Camaros just don't impress me at all, they are heavy, terrible visibility and slow, I ran an SS on the street and freeway, not impressed, if that's a 13 flat car then I'm deep in the 11's! LOL. Those things need to go on a diet.....

big hammer

it depends on if it's a manual or not. i raced a new l99 a6 with my mostly stock t\a and just murdered it. but the manuals are quite a bit faster. the autos suffer from an absolutely awful stock tune, handicapped with 10 miles of torque management. guys are picking up .5 to .7 tenths with an auto camaro with just a tune.

a stock L99 camaro will dyno aorund 310 hp to the wheels where an ls3 manual will be closer to 370. this is why everyone thinks the new camaro is slow-- the manuals aren't. many have run in the 12's @ 111-112 mph. also many L99's have ran in the high 13-low 14 secs at 103-104 range.

92firebird 305

So me and my friend rob wanna race each other he has a 1991 firebird gta 5.7 auto 3.23 posi t-tops.I have a 1992 firebird 5.0 tbi auto with a 3.42 posi rear his car dynos at 193 hp at 4200 rpm and his tq is 272 at 3300 this is to the rear tires. My car has 202 hp at 4417 rpm and 268 tq at 3673 rpm who would win in a race 1/8 mile and 1/4 mile just your guess.

TTA 1387

^^^^ Should be a good close race between the both of you.

As far as the others, this thread is funny. You can't base anything on how a car "feels". TPI cars feel fast but are slow. New cars feel slow but will blow them away. When I bought my GTO back in '04, I thought it was slow. Then busted off a 13.25 after a few trips to the track. Runs 11's now and feels slow. Same goes with my TTA. It didn't feel strong when I bought it and ran 13.0 all day long. Then goes deep in the 11's and still didn't feel like it was a brute.

There is a big difference between smooth power and abrupt power.

ternandes

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As the previous owner of two firstgen camaros (68 and 69) I was anxiously awaiting the debut of the fifthgen, hoping it would look as cool as the new challenger and mustang with respect to their roots.

IMHO, it DOES look cartoonish, and although in a thirdgen my preference (with respect to looks) has been for the firebird body style (I own 3), I don't think anything will look sweeter in my mind's eye than a 69 Camaro.

Naturally, I would expect the performance to be significantly better... but I just cringe at the look of the new Camaro.

fly89gta

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The street is completely different than the track and the car also have a 5 star crash rating, hence the weight. It's a heavy pig but there's a reason for it.

J91

You can defend them all day long, I don't like them, have driven a manual, ran a manual, and an auto. Yes the manual is quicker, it's still not that fast, my car only runs mid-low 12's. I have also driven an11 5.0GT Mustang, let me tell ya' the Camaro has nothing on it, handling or speedwise. And the numbers do not lie, they run high 13's at least when I was at track in stock form. If I was going to buy a new car it damn sure would not be a fifth gen....

fly89gta

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I'm not "defending" anything...I'm just stating FACT as to why the car is a heavy pig. :shrug:

I'm not a huge fan of them either. You're also comparing a heavily modded 3rdgen to a factory stock car. Our thirdgens are complete and utter **** as far as built quality, creature comforts etc so it's not exactly a fair comparison. Would I buy one? Probably not, I'd rather get the GTA done and be faster but on the flipside to that the Camaro is just flat out a better built car(as well it should be considering the difference in age, technology etc).

BTW, the new Mustang...the track pack ones are fast...other than that? Meh, I beat a 5.0 drop top in the GTA and my GTA isn't that fast.

J91

Thx for the info, gee I didn't know any of that, heavy because of safety standards? Really? Stock third gens are slow? Really? Wow glad I am able to come on here and be educated.... LOL

fly89gta

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Well you guys are whining like a bunch of ****ing 5th grade school girls as to why the car is heavy...I'm sure GM set out to say "OK, lets make the car damn near 4100#'s just because).

So go on and be super cool comparing you're heavily modded mid 12 second car to a factory car...that's a ***** attitude...just saying.

EDIT: WTF. r-i-c-er is bleeped? FML, lol.


...and glad I could help.

DrummerDad

As far as comparisons go, its no contest in any of the "measurable" categories. Safety, performance, build quality, comfort... GM learned alot in 20 years. As one would expect.

I think the new Camaros look ridiculous, like a japanese cartoonist designed them. And Im still a bit pissed that GM killed Pontiac. That being said the New Camaro is ok. I wouldnt buy one. But I wouldnt buy the new Mustang either. Im a product of the 80s and 90s, and I love third gens. Id rather take my $40k, and invest it in a nice third gen, which is what I would like to do someday. Im sure I can make a nice third gen outperform a 5th gen, and not look like an anime cartoon for the money. I dont need bluetooth, onstar, and a dozen airbags to feel good about a car.

Besides, with the money they want for a new loaded Camaro, imagine what you could do to a third gen. LS7? 6spd? ZO6 brakes? The sky would be the limit, almost. And you could even add heated/electric seats, remote start, keyless entry, Onstar, and bluetooth, if that floats your boat. Why compare them? They arent even close to the same anymore.

J91

That's why i hardly post on here anymore, someone brings up a thread and every ******* and their brother need to chime in, explain why, criticize , blah, blah , blah. Bad attitude, no just an opinion no more or less. You guys have a nice day , I already took my heavily modded car out once today and had some fun w/it, maybe you should do the same....

big hammer

that's weird. there's been alot of ls3 camaros run 12's bone stock with the record being a 12.5

but yeah the poor running l99's would run high 13's.

kmcn47

agreed, terrible, and transformers isn't helping

NowhereFast

I dislike them. They aren't even true Camaros, they're Holdens underneath.



Well the design was done by a Korean...

blue birdy 87

Thats sad. Although the focus is quite a bit lighter.[/quote]

lighter and much more modern

paul_huryk

I don't like the look of the new Camaros - purely my opinion of a half *** design using the original as a baseline.

But in terms of performance, the 4000lbs they are hauling around is just plain stupid. Considering it has an all aluminum LSX motors, it would be another 150lbs more if it had an iron SBC like the thirdgens have. Combine the 4000lbs with a high CoG and **** poor aerodynamics, it is a wonder some can run in the 12's with the LS3. The new Mustang stock eats it's lunch in almost every performance category, although engine to engine (in terms of upgrades), the LSX motors have no peer.

blue birdy 87

Just look at the power differences in the mustang vs camaro. 6.2 v8 chevy and the 5.0 ford is only off by like 20hp. With a difference of 1.2 liters youd think thered be a bigger gap. To me it seems like traditionaly GM is prettier but Ford is faster

Kevin Lee 487

Or it might have something to do that Chevy has an even faster car. The Camaro isn't their top of the line like Mustang is to Ford. Chevy has a more expensive, faster car to sell. ( No, the Shelby and Boss 302 don't count, theyre just glorified Mustangs )

The ZR1's LS9 is the same size as the Camaro's LS3 but makes over 200 more hp. 200hp seems like a little bit of a stretch to chalk up to just the supercharger.

P.S., I'm pretty sure that, traditionally, the Camaro has been the faster of the two. Though, that may just be more recent times. Theres no denying that 94-04 Mustangs were completely DOMINATED by equivalent year Camaros/Trans Ams.

Mustangs are still nice cars though. Just a bit too common IMO.

kmcn47

camaros traditionally had a bigger engine as the same year stang as well, iirc

Kevin Lee 487

While not true for the first gen, Camaros typically weigh more as well.

big hammer

the 5.0 mustang really only runs 1-2 tenths faster.

the ls3 does have a significant torque advantage though, which is where the extra cubes come into play.

word. gm always has had to play a balancing act between the camaro and mustang whereas the mustang is fords top performer so it gets all the best goodies. it would be absolutely silly to assume that gm cant make a faster camaro than the mustang. and remember, when the camaro came out in 2010, it absolutely creamed the 2010 stang.

86White_T/A305

the 6.2l in the new camaro isnt built for top end power or top speed.its focus was bottom/midrange power to haul its heavy behind around town.and keep in mind ..gm knew when the new camaro was coming out..it had all age groups ready to buy and wanted/needed the mass audience to feel like the car was a brute animal.giving it more torque creates a feeling of beastly performance.much like when tpi first came out.everyone loved the sheer off the line power..hated the top end brick wall.still sold well end of the day

back on topic.if you compare our cars stock for stock i think the only advantage we would have is our cars being lighter and might actually handle better through some good turns.everything else..5thgen hands down will own.I think 3rdgens so far are still the best handling fbody and when setup right..can really carve into the ground,second choice i think a 1stgen with a good suspension setup would be great in the twisties.

Kevin Lee 487

/nod ( I think you meant between Camaro and Corvette though. )
The 4th gen Camaro was a PERFECT example of this. Under-rated power, over priced $$ tag. They were what, like 30 something brand new? Corvettes were 40 I believe. I know that " like new " low milage WS6s go for upwards of 17k now around here. Little ridiculous considering you can get a mint condition 3rd gen for around half of that.

That new Camaro ZL1 looks pretty kickass. But so does the 2013 Shelby that is supposed to do 200mph. I know the ZL1 did 170 something on the Ring toward the end of the straight going uphill so Id imagine that its top speed is in the 190s.

kmcn47

the zl1 vert is lighter and more powerful, idk what its top speed is, although ik the maros are limited to 17? if i remember right from topgear

NowhereFast

The ZL1 looks like a Kia Forte.

The only things good about it are the magnetic ride from Caddy, and the LSA.

Kevin Lee 487

The only similarity I see is the color and the bottom lip of the bumper and the foglight setup. Other than that, they look completely different.

ROCFATHER

I absolutely agree! With all that money spent on a new Camaro, I could slap maybe just 10K in mine and blow the wheels off a new Cam or stang! And mine would look cooler doing it!!!

Kevin Lee 487

Half of the price of a new car comes from the fact that its a NEW car. While I agree, I would much rather drop 20 grand into a 3rd gen ( Since a mint condition one goes for around 10k. The Camaro SS is 35 something )

The only advantage that the newer car has in that regard is that the car has been rigorously tested with the options on it when it rolls off of the lot. The manufacturer knows it works good and will work everytime. Dropping an LS7 into a IROC or GTA hasn't really been tested. There could be unknown complications. It would take an enormous amount of testing to get the car to the level of " stableness " of a new car. And thats just for the simple fact that Chevrolet, Ford, Toyota, Dodge, etc. All have thousands of people testing these cars and the very best equipment available to them. I could go into an endless list of scenarios of something tiny completely compromising the custom car. Thats not to say things like that don't happen to new cars ( Anyone remember those 458 Italias that went up in flames because of the glue or something? ) but its MUCH less likely for something to go mechanically wrong ( not break. Thats different ) on a newer car than the 15 year old car with a 4 year old engine.


Still. Theres a certain sense of pride most people have knowing their car is brand spanking new. Nobody has owned it before them and screwed something up. You are 100% guaranteed to have a mint condition car and to top it off, I think almost all manufacturers give some kind of X year warranty where all maintainence is free or something along those lines.

So for that $35,000. You get a perfect condition car that doesn't have problems ( For the most part. Sometimes you may get a car with a faulty wire or something small somewhere that the dealer will fix for free ) You are the original owner, and all you have to do is make the payments and put gas in the thing. The rest is on the dealer to " deal " with.

Is buying a new car really worth the money? I don't think so. If you have the money to spend, put it into an older car. Make the thing completely custom. It will then be YOUR car. Not " the new insert car here "

Sick92

Just nit picking, but you forgot insurance costs.

bigginz1989

well i have no doubt that u love your 3rd gens but im sorry i must dis agree with you (by no means am i an expert) the 5th gens and even the later 4th gens are far superior to the 3rd gens in almost every way and the body styling was put in place to not just go back to their roots but they pulled styling lines from almost every gen camaro that was ever around and the v6 option having 300+hp smoking both every other v6 American competitor ie mustang ,charger ,even keeping a pace with a much lighter Nisan 350z but no mistaking that i love my 3rd gens as well but i wont pass up an option to own or even drive any model of the 5th gen camaro and i dont expect u would either =)

ninetyone

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I diagree entirely, most of us guys that own a thirdgen are modded

J91

Yeah, like he says, our cars are modded....

ninetyone

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Exactly, therefore not much to worry about

danziger

Stock for stock? The top-tier 3rdGens would have a tough time with the V6 5thGens.

I don't like the 5thGen looks at all and their weight is a crime against humanity, but the performance is still there.

J91

Stock for Stock, most 3rd gens have a hard time w/ anything out there! That's why my car isn't stock. You certainly are right about the weight thing though, it's a shame....

paul_huryk

Keep in mind that Ford maxed out the 5.0L in their car (in terms of power it can turn out reliably). Chevy has the LS3, which can put out 570hp with just ported heads, a cam upgrade, and exhaust - the Coyote motor can't touch that number without a power adder.

Then again, the new Camaro is a big boat so even at the 570hp level, the Mustang would still be pretty close. The new Hi-Tech had an SLP moded car with 750hp that only squeaked past 120mph in the quarter. I would think it would push 130 at least...

danziger

Peakier DOHC engine vs. torquey pushrod engine. Power delivery and benefits/drawbacks are quite different between the two.