Cruising270

I've noticed that alot of people on the boards and domestic guys in general tend to bash on imports pretty harshly. Now don't get me wrong, I love my V-8's and will always, but I think we need to give respect where its due. The import scene has changed DRAMATICLY in the last few years and there are many respectably fast imports on the roads now. When you think about it, us 3rd geners arn't much differnt from alot of them. Most of us stock run in the 15-16 sec 1/4 mile range. Look around there are a suprising amount of imports that run that also. The first thing most of us do is intake and exhuast, well thats pretty much what they do too. Then for us serious guys we get into the engine swaping. Most the imorts guys go for the turbo, which is an awsome power adder, and not CHEAP at all. Check into it for your cars, you'll see what I mean. So i give mad respect to someone who would invest that kind of money into their car. Now don't get me wrong I'm not saying we can't point and laugh at the 80's civics with yellow speed tape flapping in the wind and the cannon muffler draging leaving a trail of sparks behind him. Even other importers laugh at that I'm sure. I'm just saying we should try to give them some repect concidering we are both working toward the same goal.

giovanhalen

Thats why they dont get respect is because of the money they spend to make a car run and it still dont run. They spend $200 on a stupid chrome intake tube that is suppose to give them an extra 10 hp. I got a 90 formula 350 for $2200. If they buy a 90 civic si in similiar condition They will probably spend $4000 or more and still need nitrous or a turbo to have a chance of running with me. Ther nitrous kit cost the same as one for my car and i have twice as many cylinders. Who do you think will get a bigger power gain. It would be like me having a 350 in my car if i could get a 502 for the same or a lower price.

TriGenRS

giovanhalen:

Sorry, I gonna have to disagree with you. Thats like saying that all the TBI'ers can't earn respect either. Yeah, a TBI305 can get fast but not as easily or as cheaply as a TPI350. The same goes for import 4's. The point is, knocking 2-3 seconds off any car is pretty damn good. 4+ seconds....there some good wrenching goin on there. Give em respect.

You also dont need $4k, NOS, and Turbo/Blower to run with a 350TPI. With all that....my money would be on the Civic Si. Stock for stock there's only about a 1 second difference.

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REVLIMIT

Well one thing ot think about here though. The average IROC runs like low 15's or 14's. The new GSR's run like mid to high 15's. So yea the little 4 cylinder is pretty close to the Camaro. But then lets look at the old GSR. It only ran like mid 16's. Lets look at the new Z28. It runs mid 13's! and with a good driver high 12's! Dont get me wrong I like imports. I love the cars and the scene. But just had to mention that. ALso Import guys rag on domestic guys to. So many import boys talk ****. There is ignorance on both sides.

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Jer82Z28

Import owners have a bad name thanks to all the poser freaks around who simply bolt on a body kit and claim to be faster than a F16 fighter jet.

stock for stock, the newer imports give the thirdgens a good run for their money, so as I see it, we are in the same boat as the import tuners. starting out with slow cars and building them to go fast..

anything fast, gets my respect. anything thats all show, no go.. I don't even bother to notice.

1989camarorsrs

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how bout
Toyota Supra
Mitsubishi 3000gt twin turbo

they run with camaro ss and little mods its pushing 400-500hp

ImportsRsloths

Man you have to compare apples to apples....
1990ish camaro vs 1990ish honda
Brand new GSR (WTF??) Civic VS Brand new Camaro Z28 (lol thatll be a great match)

Cruising270

But my original message said that imports are much faster now than before, and people are starting to hook them up nicely. I mean I'll respect anyone who takes 140hp and turns it into 260. Thats gets an eclipse from 16's to 13's. I repect that much more than someone buying a new LS1 and tooling around like he owns the street because he can run 13's stock. I mean look at all the V-8 guys that roll around with just intake and exhaust, they're no differnt. Also there was a comment made earlier that "import guys don't put money into thier car" Man I STRONGLY dissagree with that. I've meet several importers that have spend a huge amount of money on restoration and hp upgrades. And I just wanted to add this in also that a 96 supra can run 12.5's with a boost controler ($30), K&N filter ($150), and exhaust ($500). Thats much beter than the LT1 Camaro, or even the LT1 vette. Thats something to think about. Again don't get me wrong, I love my domestics. I'm just stating facts.

ImportsRsloths

Well for one thing, HOW MUCH DOES A SUPRA TWIN TURBO COST???????? Isnt that close to 40-45 grand..... you can buy a reg ls1 Z for around 28K and spend 5K on mods and itll run 10s....
1000 for exhaust
500 nitrous
3000 Supercharger
500 MISC
****, you could prolly get this into the 9's.

Cruising270

OK but a vette costs as much supra, so I am comparing apples to apples. Now as for getting an LS1 in the 10's is harder than you think, let alone 9's. You gotta have the supension, duribility, and tuning all optimal. My friend has a LS1 with alot of money invested into it, like the kind of moey you were talking about. He is expecting 11's for now on the juice. Now I don't want to make this a dispute of whats beter the Ls1 or the Toyota Turbo inline 6. I'm just saying 12's with spending less than a grand is on work is SICK.

Also we need to all stop comparing our cars vs Civic Si's. Our cars are sports cars, Civics are family....LOL At least mention imports that are in the sports catagory.

ImportsRsloths

True that is good......... But you had to spend 40K for the car. Did your friend put a supercharger and nitrous on his camaro?

Cruising270

My friends 99Z28 has like almost every LS1 bolt on availible right now. Intakes, fuel booster, MAF sensor translator, headers, 4.10 gears (Which I think was a mistake with the nitrous, I felt the 3.42 would do him fine) the list goes on and on. He also has spent severall thousand on suspension and tires. He expects to do 12's on the motor and 11's with the 125 dry nitrous shot. Pretty Sweet car though, it also looks really nice

dtpmike

One thing that you muse realize is that there is no replacement for displacement. Those supras are fast, but only because they have twin turbos on them. Add twin turbos to a LS1 or LT-1 and no import can catch you.

If you had the same amount of money to spend, you could make an american V8 outperform any import.

Also in my opinion there is no point to modding a civic or an accord, they look nothing like a fast car.

NHcamaro

I just turn my head and laugh when I see a pimped out honda. I saw a 95 civic all jacked down fart can on the back and had this checkerd flag decal all around the "ground effects" I just about died laughing when he did a little squeak around a corner. My sister has the same car LoL you talk about having no *****. I don't know about any1 else but I hate a lot of these import drivers because they seem to think that there the cats a**. If you want a fast car buy one don't go get a 83 honda and lower it and put all this sh*t on it because any crack head can do that.

brodyscamaro

That's just it, there are a bunch of imports that have turbos, I don't know about you but from what I have seen there are not to many V-8 daily drivers that got turbos.


[This message has been edited by brodyscamaro (edited June 21, 2001).]

Jer82Z28

these arguements are stupid. How boring would the world be if all everyone ever bought was the new Camaro SS's??

different people buy different cars, and each car is a just a little bit different to mod than then next.

whats wrong with trying to make a slow car fast? what are we doing with our thirdgens!?


and since when does a car's exterior styling have anything to do with it's ability to be modded for performance??

I guess there's not point in modding my GMC typhoon, it looks nothing like a fast car either..

some of you aught to open up your minds a little bit once and a while, sheesh.

ImportsRsloths

Yeah Jer87, Id leave the typhoono alone... dont waste your mono.

NTChrist

The Import vs Domestic debate is a lot like a debate between Christians and Atheists. Both sides KNOW they're right, and truly believe that the other side can't possibly, deep down, actually think they're right. There's no way to prove who's right, I can't say God doesn't exist because I can't see him, you can't say imports are superior because they have wings. It's pretty much got to do with upbringing. Different people value different things. Cultive vos jardins or whatever Voltaire said, and leave the other side to do their thing too.

giovanhalen

Originally i was gonna go and get a car like i always had in the past because i know those cars(1960's big carbureted v8). But i decided to check all the different cars out including 4cyl. domestic and import and the biggest bang for the buck is the third or fourth gen f-body at this time. You forgot the king of the road in Japan, and you can get one over here, some company in california is importing them, of course the steering wheel is on the wrong side, anyway that car is the nissan skyline. the 3000gt is just a pretty car.

5.0GTA

WOW, what a heated debate. I'll make a few points. Comparing a Supra TT and a Camaro Z-28....the Camaro costs about 15k less. Now as far as gas mileage goes, you could squeeze the same out of both cars (if the surpa kept out of the boost), so the 6 cyl doesnt have the usual advantage because of the bigger injectors required with the turbos. Now if you spend the 15k you saved with the Camaro, and buy heads, cam, intake, and exhaust work (with about $8-$9k still left, lol) they d@mn thing will be running 11's...N/A! it takes a Supra TWO turbos to match that....just food for thought. Our cars were top of the line back in their day, but nowadays imports are running high 14's and low 15's, and making our cars look bad. But I'd still watch out for some imports that are the same year as our cars. My friend (has a '95 Formula) raced a mid '80s CRX that was N/A (we looked under the hood before and found no turbo, supercharger, or NOS) and the CRX ALMOST beat him!

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Cruising270

When I made the original statement that import race sceene is alot faster now that back a few years is true. I mean i've met and raced so many 12-14 second imports, where I live in Maryland. More and more kids are going with 90 300Z's and Turbo AWD eclipses. I was just stating that I feel as though it has taken a much more respectable turn for the good. It seems more and more are getting serious about drag racing and accually hooking a car up. I'm not saying that all the imports are quick now, and that there are no more ricers. I'm just saying I've noticed a turn for the beter.

Also people keep comenting on how we can't compare a Supra and a Camaro becasue of price and such. Well the cost of a Supra in Japan is relitive to the cost of a Camaro here. But ok, lets take the vette for example, the Supra would still give an LT1 or LS1 a fairly good run for the money. Z06 would give it a raping though, LOL.

But I mean you can say all day long that and bigger displacement engine "can" make more hp. But does that mean all the 350ci drag cars arn't cool cause they arn't a 502? My opinion is it isn't the size of the displacement but how you use it! I have mad repect for the S200 by honda. A naturally aspirated 4 cylinder 240HP (i think) and are a 2.0L engine. Thats impressive in Hp/Cubic Inch.

I also like Jer82's remark about being deffert. Its true thats what makes everyhing fun, I would hate a world like he described....all LS1 SS's..... I like making the slower 3rd gens fast. I also liked the point on Syclones and Typoons. They are turbo V-6's and alot of domestic guys still love them. My friends got a typhoon in the 12's and aiming for 11's now with DFI, those bad boys LAUNCH.

Like i said earlier, I'm not saying we can laugh at 80's civics "making a turn and flooring it to get the wheels to churp a bit" LOL But I think we all need to give respect when we see a 12's car and not just say "aww if it were a V-8 it'd be beter".

SUPER-SPORT-CHEVY

I respect all car enthusiasts to a point.
I do respect people who modify there cars to run fast "any cars" from audi's to zephers, but when they take the superior adutide is when I draw the line. "Ricers" This term being used as an import owner who does take a superior aditude over domestic owners are just ****** "in generel" and they should be bashed acordingly. The same could be said for "street rodders" also. A bunch of rich old people who think thier S**T dont stink.
People are people no matter what they drive its just that your personal additude is reflected by what you drive an how you modify it."Look at me! Zoooom, Im a *****" I could fill this post with a 20 page thesis on why I beleve "ricers" are ****** and most people would agree, but I dont have time.
Respect those who respect you!
SSC

FATZ_86er

hey all i have to say is let me shell as much cash into my car as those rice boys and lets see what happens

Cruising270

Ok I like the point, and I know what you mean. There are import guys who are asses as well as Domestics. I definitly agree that S**T talkers are the worst and especially when they can't back it up. But my comment really wasn't made towards that as much as just the fact that imports really arnt a joke anymore. I'm giving respect to the cars and what they are capable of and what people do to them. I'm not giving a Thumbs up to the dude who turned 16 got his mom kia and put exhuast on it and some "KIA MOTORSPORTS" stickers all over it, then goes by reving at you when your in a shopping center. My point was that back a few years ago Turbos, serious engine work, and other things were rarely seen done to imports on the street. But now it's becoming very common, and I'm just glad to see it. Most import guys who are serious about performance are accually cool to talk to. The only reason most arn't outwardly friendly is because they get ridiculed so much by people like us.

NOw I also wanted to comment on the the remark "give me the same amount of money to spend on my car" Well if you want to get into money, why do have a chevy. Its very well known that mustang parts are cheap and a dime a dozen. So I mean does that mean we should all drive Mustangs......NO THANK YOU!!!! I think it doesn't mater what you spend unless your going for a budget car. Buikd what you like and what you want. I used to be that was about money and judging cars by all that, but now I look at the car itself and time invested in it.

TURBO4

I'll give respect to any car that's fast. Especially cars that are so originally and made fast with the original motor. Im new to this board and I dont drive a camaro or firebird but I am a big fan. Especially the Camaros. I drive an import and I consider myself a realimport guy. I dont like stickers and all that junk that ricers do and like. Stereotyping all imports and owners as ricers is not fair. Thats like saying all american cars and owners are rednecks from out in the boonies. Bottem line, give respect when its due, regardless of the typ of car or where its from. You dont have to like it, just give it some respect. Just my .02

Cruising270

Turbo4 I totally agree with you 100% and I'm glad someone understands what I was trying to say when I started this post. Welcome to the board also, glad to hear we have another Camaro fan. What kind of car do you have now? Eclipse (just a guess because of your name)

TURBO4

Thanks Cruisin, there needs to be more wrench heads like us. Yes I do drive an Eclipse FWD.

TurboSix

I agree with Turbo4. I also prefer the clean look without stickers. I feel that those "Ricers" poorly represent imports and are in a league of their own. Although imports are not the only rice on the road, there are also many American cars that are "Riced out."

One Eyed Jack

how come I didnt notice this post before?
ahhaha I hate rice. Thats all there is to it.

know_bull88

diversity is what it is all about, I have run into may a$$holes on the street as I am sure all of you have also with their different mods(so to speek) and ran with them, some wins some loses but it is all in the fun. I don't care who you are or what you got if you are reving next to me it's on.I think that my driving skills are better than the next mans all the time as everone does including the ricers. lets remember that it is not what you have but what you do with it keep racing guys lol.

buddman91rs

if we are going to make this a tit for tat kinda thing, let me go ahead and add my 2 cents before this gets locked........
you are comparing completly different aspects of things, its like comparing an appl to a head of lettuce......take a same year Civic and a same year BASE model camaro(or fire bird) then you can start comparing.....now when you talk mod to mod they CAN be made and can be pretty quick......the same mods can make our cars pretty quick too.....you CANNOT compare these aspects against each other......now look at the money aspect of it.....you'd spend 40-50 grand on something like a supra(which IMHO looks like a mutant fish) that can barely whoop up on a same year Z or SS that costs a heck of a lot less....say you brought a 1991 RS 5.0 and a 1991 Civic now say you had 5,000 dollars to spend on each one......the only thing that will make a SIGNIFICANT amount of power on the civic would be a turbo or a hell of a lot of NOS......now that you blew your 5 grand on a turbo for the civic and you get roughly 300 horsies(maybe) now apply that 5 grand to the camaro and the hell of a lot of free mods you can do and you can make at least 400 horsies....easily

when you compare them as a old car VS new car or 5.0 vs. 1.8 vs. 5.7 you get things misconstrued very easily...compare them by the money you would spend getting them to be a 13sec car. an imort would cost you a hell of a lot more money to get to that mark than a domestic of the same year


plus there are a lot more factors to get invovled; power to weight ratios and the like......this really is a b.s. topic and i think the boards on this sight would be a lot cleaner without this domestic/import bull****.....the space should be saved for an important question not a juvenile **** measuring contest or a shouting match

enoough of my rambling

REVLIMIT

The supra and the Camaro arnt even on the same page. I mean the Camaro is lets say an...A class car. And the Supra is an AA car. The supra is up there with the Corvettes. Same with the 3000GT. Those are the higher end sports cars. And the new Camaros can spank supras and 3000gt's.

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HrdRockA4305

Heres how i see it. There are "import racers" and there are "ricers," 2 spearate types of people. Ricers are all about stickers, fart pipes, and talkin smack when they have a slo car. But there are legit import guys, and they're pretty cool. There are about as many ignorant smack talkin ****** who think they're king ShIzit around here drving mustangs and Fbodys as there are imports, if not more. Do i have the right to claim my 16 second car is fast? No. But some people think they do, and that gets them a bad name.

I guess my point is cool/fast cars are cool/fast cars, no matter how cost effective the buildup was or how many cylinders they have. And stupid AXXholes are stupid AXXholes no matter what they drive.

(before anyone gets pissed keep in mind I'm not saying anyone is wrong, i'm just saying what i think)


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Cruising270

Ok I understand where your all coming from with comparing Camaros to Supra and the pricing. My original post had nothing to do with a who's beter import or domestics. (although I admit the post title does make it sound that way)It just turned into that from the posted reponses. I'm only saying that the import croud has made much progress in these last few years. And that I now have alot of repect for many imports on the streets today, where as a few years back I had no respect at all. I just wanted to see the reponse of others on the board, and if they felt the same as me.

Ace_Murdock

here's my view. I give credit to the higher end import models, like the 300z, NSX and a couple of others. those are fast cars! my friends 300z has no turbos, but is tricked out, with a bad clutch that keeps him from shifting fast, his car could still beat mine.

hey dont get me wrong, i will always love american muscle.

every "Speed" car is built to "Race" a specific group of other cars, we have the mustang, and a couple of others. but answer me this, who in their right mind would take their third-gen and seriously race a Lamborgini Diablo?

yes the ricers are ****y as all hell, but they are working on cars. they are probably doing their Import cars, because the chevy small block is over 50 years old, and what can been done has been done. New chalenges to conquer. also take into account emissions control.

anyway i don't have the problem with ricers in my area, but there is a fine line of cool and ricy. the NSX is cool, a bright yellow civic with a million "Power" stickers, and a cannon sized exhaust tip is not.


just my 2 cents

later
andrew

junkyarddog

I wouldn't mind having a new supra and the new camaro in my driveway. many people have actually driven an import? I like the lexus myself,my $600 '85 vw jetta was alot of fun too. at first I was afraid to run it too hard because of all the rumors of imports being cheap,but one day some punk in his dads bmw threw a milkshake at my car and i had to chase him down,consistent pull up to 6000rpm redline and rock solid handling through the curves,it aproached 120 mph with ease and actually ran cooler. I had no need to beat these kids down once I cought up to them,I chased them into someones driveway and sat there reving the engine,then dumped the clutch at 4000 rpms smoking out thier neigbor hood through 2nd and a chirp into third. after this I had much more respect for this car and renamed it "the german vermon", another time I had too do a 3rd to 2nd downshift to discrace a minivan with because it had racing stripes on it. I would race "ricers" all the time,because most of those turkeys had automatics that thier parents bought them and had no clue what the upper rpms were for. ofcourse it was just a base model stock jetta GL , so I didn't ride around like I was king ****, i had enough fun putt'n shame on nicely groomed new cars with rims and chrome exaust tips. ofcourse I would pick the fights because no one would ever start **** with an inoccent looking volkswagen.

giovanhalen

If you want an import i recommend the Modena 360 by an Italian company named Ferrari. It will kick the crap out of a supra with no mods.

superchief

how can you respect some piece of garbage that can't get out of it's own way? you can't get respect until you earn it, and that's hard to do when your stupid and challenge a 850hp(dyno proven)68 pro-street firebird with a tunnel ram shoved out of the hood.i told the kid it's not even worth the gas!! as for 14sec quater miles, i don't know what track or street events you attend but when your waiting in line to run your car for 2 hrs for these weedwackers with oversized exhaust tips to get out of the way there not running 14 teens more like 18 teens. don't take this the wrong way, pontiac's in my opinion are the best cars ever made, and i have alot of respect for the third and fourth gen firebirds and camaro's. but i can't respect some 16 yr old punk who thinks a 6 inch exhaust tip is going to give him an extra 10-20hp.

paul_huryk

A lot of "american car" guys out there seem to like bashing imports in the same sort of way that the "import car" guys bash american cars. Childish if you ask me, but based in stupidity for all those partaking.

When I was younger (in the 80's), most guys my age wanted to have a "60's muscle car" to go fast in, fine in the early 1980's when everyone drove sh!tboxes, whether they were domestic and import. About 1988 or 1989, when IROCS, GTAs, and 5.0 Stangs were popular these guys said that they were fine, but the "old muscle cars" were still the ****. I don't consider a 13 second big block fast, I call it a waste. Now 12 or 14 years later, I go to the track and mostly see newer cars racing (1980's or newer cars mostly), some of which are running 8's and 9's on small motors. But there are always a few " old school" guys with their cars from the 60's running the same or slower than the newer cars, even with engines sometimes twice as large. I guess some people haven't read about aftermarket heads, roller cams, and fuel injection. But that is fine, each to his own.

Now, in the last 7 or 8 years, since the last batch of fast imports hit the US (Supra, RX7, 300ZX...), there have been a bunch of fast ones on the road. It doens't matter whether they have 4 valves/cylinder, turbos, VTEc, or whatnot, they were fast out of the box, some running well into the 13's. Of course, the faster they were, the higher the price was (sorta like the euro cars). Anyway, these are the cars that everyone knew were fast, and some people bought them as they wished. Now about 3 or 4 years ago this Honda "performance" craze started getting big, could only guess it started is LA. Anyone with a Honda automatically started thinking it was fast because a Honda just like theirs (looks like theirs) was running in the 12's or 11's. So you get an ever-increasing group of people with the same mentality (herd mentality) in regards to thier rides. Before you know it, they starting talking smack "my car is better because american cars suck, or my car revs higher so it is faster" type of thing.

Now personally, I don't give a zhit that some idiot with no brain has no idea about fast cars. But I do care when someone drives past my house while I'm washing my car and revs it like he's the king and I'm the serf, kinda gets me riled up.

Now, getting back to the fast imports thing: there always were and always will be fast imports on the road and on the track, but as with all cars, you have a lot of stock ones and only a few fast ones. But I do notice one important thing: in these import mags out recently, you hear about how much power an import makes, but never a dyno sheet or timeslip to back it up, unless the car is a well known racer that competes. I remember going to an import shop a few blocks away from an old job that specialized in RX7's. I talked to the owner and he showed me a few time slips, some cars ran into the 11's with a small amount of work. He did say that going any faster would mean really getting crazy, in terms of parts and especially cost, I admired his honesty. Then I asked him about a 1995 (or so) MR2 Turbo in the lot, he refered me to the owner (who worked in the shop), I asked him what he had done, and what he expected out of the 2 liter motor. The guy said with a straight face that he expected 550+ hp to the wheels with the car. Then I asked him what sort of times he expected at the track: his answer - it doesn't matter, because with over 550hp he didn't need to know. I was thinking street racer or whatever, but he claimed to have an older RX7 race car that he used. So in other words, the car was built just to get into some import magazine without any proof of performance. Guess that sells magazines today. Meanwhile, a mag like Car Craft of CHP wants a timeslip and/or dyno sheet before a claim can be made, or it ends up being not in the mag.

When I think of it, the average ***** has almost the same closed mind mentality as the average old school muscle car guy, a lot of bashing other cars, but not much good performance out of their ride.

I do read import mags, to see who is doing what, but mostly to see if the ideas and technology is applicable to my car.

As others have said, a lot of fast import cars have turbos, but without them, they are slow, true. And the fact that most american cars don't have turbos, true. I think the reason we don't have turbos typically is that we don't need them to go decently fast. If you decide to go really fast and turbo your ride, you end up having to spend a bundle of cash for the power, and even more trying to get drivetrain parts that don't commit suicide. Traction is also a slight problem with a lower powered 350 turbo (I'm talking 600hp to start).

I'll admit it, I'm a tad flustered by the import guys on the street, but at the track most of them are just like us: having a good time with a car they like to tinker with to go fast.

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brodyscamaro

There are fast imports but most i see are like this

http://www.beaterz.com/reviews/1199/p20.htm

Jono

Has anyone ever thought about owning a car just for owning a car. My 85 camaro will probably never run faster then 14.5 in the 1/4 but do I care? I just love the looks of the car, the torque and the fun factor plus the odd couple of races. For me American muscle is the best bang for the buck, personally I think they look 10 times better then most of the stuff out there, handle amazingly well (especially high speed cornering) and I think the engines are some of the best (at least comparing same year models, you can't compare 1999 tech to 1985). Also not many thirdgens out there anymore, anyways thats it cya.

quickL98

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its not the import scene i dont like , it the crowd it attracts. thug wannabe's for the most part who play Gran-turismo and then think its real on the street. there have been several deaths on sat night at the spot where domestics used to be able to hang out and race RESPONSIBLY! instead the ricers go flying through traffic weaving around and cuasing accidents and killing them selves. ever since the import scene exploded its almost impossible to get a race off, or keep a quiet spot a secret. they come in mass droves with there wreckless attitudes and **** it up for every body. NOW I AM NOT SAYING THEY'RE ALL LIKE THAT! but most are! yes fast is fast , and i feel that relate better to "chico" with busted knucles and a quick civic than "poin dexter" with his bolt-ons anonomous ls-1 . but their conduct on the street and on the way to local race spots is what attracts the cops, their arrogant and ****y attitude toward domestic owners is what raises tension and hostility levels thus making it an unenjoyable experience to take your car out on sat. night in tamps these days.

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87GTA ,10.5:1,4-bolt 355,afr 190's, super ram ,stock poerted base,58mmTB,24 lb FMS inj. ed wright chip, .510/230 (nr) 1&5/8 hooker shorty's, flow master single 3", 2800 ameri-torque non lk-up, 3.73. best to date with stk 48mm tb and lack of traction in 1st gear netted me a 12.9 @110mph /91 TA daily driver LB9 A4 2.73,
sitting in the garage : 26-11.5-16 et streets, sphon LCA's &rlb's, SFC's, b&m mega shifter....hope to install before the next century!!!

quickL98

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i had the same disscusion on a local board one time with a **** talking civic owner who thought domestics were ****. long story...
WOW you car makes 180 hp and 140 ft/lbs ! and weighs 2100 lbs.... imagine what iwould do to you if my car 2100 lbs , i think the equal izer is weight. this guy swore his v-tec motor was an engineering wonder, i told him if your "motor" is that powerful and better than mine well then add 1500lb to your car and see if you can run with us (average weight domestic 34-3600lbs). because if match your weight i'll only go faster. he dec lined to match weights...

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87GTA ,10.5:1,4-bolt 355,afr 190's, super ram ,stock poerted base,58mmTB,24 lb FMS inj. ed wright chip, .510/230 (nr) 1&5/8 hooker shorty's, flow master single 3", 2800 ameri-torque non lk-up, 3.73. best to date with stk 48mm tb and lack of traction in 1st gear netted me a 12.9 @110mph /91 TA daily driver LB9 A4 2.73,
sitting in the garage : 26-11.5-16 et streets, sphon LCA's &rlb's, SFC's, b&m mega shifter....hope to install before the next century!!!

RyanSS

Ok, just because you can run single digit 1/4's doesn't mean imports can't catch you.
I have read about imports going into the 8's. 4 cyl.'s can go fast partially because of front wheel drive, no driveline loss. Weight is definitely a factor. I can't get into imports myself, but I can see the appeal, it's the new trend.

Domestics are definately cheaper. Ford made a special edition Focus that was supposed to run with the Corvette. The Corvette won in a road test in the 1/4, but I can't remember who won in the handling department. the Corvette costs about $55k, and the Focus was close or over $100k. I know Ford is not an import, but the format I am comparing is similar.

Personally, I think this post is dead, people will think what they want.
I used to hate all imports, but that was because the only ones I knew of just wanted to talk sh*t and weren't fast at all. I respect the ones that really work on their cars. One of my friends just bought a 98 Eclipse and he races it some, but doesn't claim it's fast either. I was impressed with the handling of it.

Anyway, just my opinion I could be wrong, but not likely.

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89 RS 350 TBI auto Hooker SC/LT headers Open element 3in K&N CVT protorque mini-starter

Daily driver 91 RS auto LO3 63k

Cruising270

Thanks for all the posts guys. I'm glad to hear there are alot of other domestic guys here like me, that can still respect an import. I understand why alot of you still don't give much respect for them, becasuse there was a time when I HATED them also, but the more I learned and witnessed the more repect I gained.

TURBO4

There are a large amount of naturally aspirated 4 cylinders that run 14's, 13's,12's and 11's. Now they are obviously not seen as much as turboed,NOS, or supercharged ones but they do exist. Most of them are strictly drag cars, particularly the ones that run 11's, there is one that runs 10's. He has the fastest NA 4 cylinder in the world. That may not be that impressive to V8 guys but I think it is considering that its a 4 banger that uses no type of forced induction and is half the size or less of a V8. Now, the main reason why these cars are not common is because its too damn expensive to go NA, turbo kits are super cheap for imports. There are some exceptions like VW's but overall its cheaper than going NA. Thats were V8's shine. They dont need forced induction as much. But you would have to have a big block in order to hit those single digit times like 8's. I noticed that a lot of small block chevys and fords use nitrous and superchargers to run 10's or faster. If you have read the import mags, you would have seen the dyno sheets they have for some of the cars in there. Especially Turbo magazine. You also see some of the professional drag racers that run 7's and 8's in Super Street magazine and Sport COmpact car. The fastest 4 cylinder runs 7.40's. Impressive. Just my .02 and kickin some knowledge.

prepz28

hahahahahahahaha!!! what a dork. sorry....

badZ-28

I do have to give some credit to the import boys. Some do run nice...but look at the money that is spent in them to go fast. It just doesn't make any sense. I could spend the same money in a Small or Big block and kill them. This is a subject where Bigger Is Better. The bigger engine will always win when the same things have been done to the engines. That's just what I feel.

Ace_Murdock

Okay everybody, let's start a "new" trend. I know that station wagons are "IN", but not like the one I want to build.

1995 Impala or Caprice Station wagon
454 big-block
muncie 4-speed
4.10 gears
all while being the most "sleeper" car on your block

now, go to the drag spots with your station wagon, and start talking trash about imports, line em up. and then watch their face in your mirror as you rocket past them. then they ask you what's in it tell them it is only a chevy v-8, most of them probably wouldnt know the difference between a 265 or a 502.

some imports are cool, but it is the kocky owners that upset me. I love my car because it fits me, and no one can tell me otherwise.

SCFORMULA1

LOL,
Can't we all just get along.