88irocz28

My friend got a new Celica and he really wants to race me. It's a 6 speed and he does know how to drive. He outran a 6 speed 2001 Z28 (the other guy didn't really know how to drive) once so he probably knows how to launch and shift properly.

How fast are these cars in the quarter? He doesn't have any mods except for some performance muffler and maybe cold air induction.

How should I race him? From a dead stop or from a roll. Any suggestions? I let my car shift on its own. The TV cable is adjusted to let it pull to 5500rpm in every gear, but the transmission is weak and I never see much wheelspin. In fact, it's darned near impossible to smoke the tires off the line unless I do some major torque braking.

I'm guessing he's got a high 14s low 15s car, and mine is a mid/low 15 second car. The race should be close if anything.

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'88 IROC 305 TPI
Crappy 700R4 slushbox
Gutted airboxes
180 degree T-stat
Advanced base TPS voltage
Relocated IAT sensor
Momo steering wheel (gotta luv it)
Ram-air setup coming soon
Flowmaster muffler (puke)
Taylor SpiroPro wires
Accel cap and rotor
Ported plenum
Kills: '94 Z28, Olds Aurora V8, bunch of Mustangs, T-birds, ricers, and others who assumed a 12 year-old car would be too slow.

JPrevost

My last visit to National Trails raceway I saw a Celica car club (must have been with 5 cars all in a row). I don't know what the problem was but the best I saw from them was a 15.84 @ I forget the mph. I was suprised that most were running low 16's, I thought they would have had more to em. There was a guy that ran a 17.1, I couldn't tell if he was spinning off the line because the car is so darn quiet. You should have a very good race and there is no way a new Celica could take a new z28. I think I remember reading somewhere that the GT-S had 180 ponies at 7,600 rpm and 133 ft-lbs. of torque at 6,800 rpm. the 6 speed variable timing etc. 0-60 times of around six and a half seconds. The thing is so light at 2500 lbs! I've seen them listed at 15.6 in the 1/4.

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vortech305

If u cant beat a celica, with your 88'Z i think its time for u to go back to the basics of driving, As for your friend who lost to the celica with his new Z he shouldnt be driving that car and giving it a bad name. I could outrun a celica,i could beat it in the quarter mile in my rollerblades, Drive it like u stole it

88irocz28

Well, I have messed around a little bit with this Celica before, but only from 45mph upwards. He was behind me, and he downshifted in 2nd and came flying right up to my rear bumper. I waited for him to nose up to my door and then I just nailed the gas. Even though he was pulling hard on me, my IROC pulled away from him in a real hurry. I mean really fast. I couldn't tell whether he was trying to line up with me or in the process of passing me but I sure did smoke him then. He tried a similar manuever twice again and both times I spanked him.

My guess is that if he couldn't keep up with me from a roll, he'll have absolutely no chance from a dead stop, since the IROC has such awesome low end torque.

This leads me to another question - would a mid '90s Integra Type R with minimal mods like exhaust and intake be fair game for a race or out of my league?

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'88 IROC 305 TPI
Crappy 700R4 slushbox
Gutted airboxes
180 degree T-stat
Advanced base TPS voltage
Relocated IAT sensor
Momo steering wheel (gotta luv it)
Ram-air setup coming soon
Flowmaster muffler (puke)
Taylor SpiroPro wires
Accel cap and rotor
Ported plenum
Kills: '94 Z28, Olds Aurora V8, bunch of Mustangs, T-birds, ricers, and others who assumed a 12 year-old car would be too slow.

88irocz28

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84CAMAROHIGHOUTPUT

you should waste the celica hard, i beat one really, really bad in my stock 84 Z28 L69 5 speed. as far as the integra type R i don't know they only have like 200hp or less i believe.

88irocz28

I know for a fact that if my car was a 5 speed I would hand the Celica his @ss. I just don't trust my transmission. I can barely feel it shift gears once it's warmed up, and it sometimes doesn't want to shift out of 2nd or does it too early. FWIW, I've seen how fast the Celica really is. I'll race him soon and settle the score once and for all.

vortech305

Modified integras arent really that fast, i beat one who had a custom turbo and an exhaust system. Its all about traction and knowing how to drive. He felt like an *** when my little camaro destroyed his 15,000 custom integra.

new87

I watched one at the track saturday running 12.1 all day long thats fast.

posted by 88irocz28:
My friend got a new Celica and he really wants to race me. It's a 6 speed and he does know how to drive. He outran a 6 speed 2001 Z28 (the other guy didn't really know how to drive) once so he probably knows how to launch and shift properly.

The guy in the Z wasnt trying, even the biggest idiot is fast in an LS1.

88irocz28

Not those idiots who are afraid to rev above 4500 rpm.

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'88 IROC 305 TPI
Crappy 700R4 slushbox
Gutted airboxes
180 degree T-stat
Advanced base TPS voltage
Relocated IAT sensor
Momo steering wheel (gotta luv it)
Ram-air setup coming soon
Flowmaster muffler (puke)
Taylor SpiroPro wires
Accel cap and rotor
Ported plenum
Kills: '94 Z28, Olds Aurora V8, bunch of Mustangs, T-birds, ricers, and others who assumed a 12 year-old car would be too slow.

vortech305

running 12.1's huh, Did u ask him how much $$$ he put into the car, my guess is in the $30,000 range. I raced some pro integras with all that HKS,momo racing blah blah blah who invest so much money and i beat them like nothing,cause thats what they are nothing. Must admit i lost to a pro modified supra with my duster. Ill get him

5.0GTA

believe it or not, i've seen a '99-'00 Firebird Formula 6-speed run 14.9 and a paltry 15.5. I dont know what the hell is was tryin to do, but he didnt do it very good, lol. just goes to prove not everybody is fast in an LS-1. and a stock GTS would have beat him seeing as that GT-S's run a good low 15-14.9

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1988 Pontiac GTA 5.0 TPI
Mods: K&N Filter, Hypertech Air Foil, Hypertech Perf. Chip, 2.5in Flowmaster Muffler, Catco Hi-flow Cat

Maryland Int. Speedway Bracket Racing Trophy Winner

15.32@88mph 2.077 60-ft.

Kills
94 Probe GT, 95 Mustang GT, 96 Impala SS, 85 Thunderbird 5.0, 95 Accord V6, 98 Integra VTEC, 70 Chevelle Malibu, CRX w/ Turbo and Intercooler (have it on tape to prove it)

vortech305

Quarter mile times doesnt prove nothing, maybe he had really bad traction. U got to look at the mph to indicate its true potential.

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92' camaro
New 305 block TPI conversion, Flat top pistons,Bore over .30 Forged parts all around,Edelbrock intake,ported plennum,ported corvette alluminum heads, accel cam,52mm throttle bodie, SLP runners Home aid cold air induction, Air foil,ford SVO 19lb injectors,fuel regulator,cloys timing chain, comp alluminum roller rocker arms and pushrods MSD 8.5 mm wires, bosch plattinum plugs, hypertech cap & rotor and coil, Edelbrock TES headers, free flowing catalytic converter and a 3 inch force II flowmaster exhaust system, and a 3 inch cutout,Zoom multi friction clutch, T-5 tranny,billenstien shocks&struts.
Soon to come!!!
Procharger system 12lbs o boost.
New paint job(hawaiin orchid purple)Cast alluminum ZR1 rims w/ 275 tires.
Favorite quote: "where ever u go, there u are"

Other car;
1971 plymouth Duster
Mods:340,edelbrock victor jr. intake, 650 4 barrel holley, heddman headers,40 series dual flowmasters, cold air intake,4:10 gears, just got a new paint job and cragar rims with 315 tires in the back.
:Yeah its not a chevy but damn how many 71' dusters have u seen in the streets.

IROC KID

The celica is a low 15s car so if you sleep on it with a thirdgen thats stock you might get beat,but as for any lt1,ls1,or l98 cars they can chew the gts car up with no sweat.

QwkTrip

iTrader: (22)

Quarter mile doesn't prove anything? If he was at the drags running his best then that is his true potential. It doens't matter what the car will do if the guy can't make it happen. If anything, the launch and acceleration under 70 mph is more important on the street then at the track. I never ran my Vette as fast on the street as it would trap in the quarter. Not even close! If you're 10 lengths behind at 100 mph and gaining.... you still lost.

5.0GTA

Vortech, I saw the guy with my own two eyes. Sure, he spun a little off the line, but it wasnt so bad that its gonn take a whole second off his time. when i was watching him about mid-track it looked like he wasnt even flooring it. Go figure....

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1988 Pontiac GTA 5.0 TPI
Mods: K&N Filter, Hypertech Air Foil, Hypertech Perf. Chip, 2.5in Flowmaster Muffler, Catco Hi-flow Cat

Maryland Int. Speedway Bracket Racing Trophy Winner

15.32@88mph 2.077 60-ft.

Kills
94 Probe GT, 95 Mustang GT, 96 Impala SS, 85 Thunderbird 5.0, 95 Accord V6, 98 Integra VTEC, 70 Chevelle Malibu, CRX w/ Turbo and Intercooler (have it on tape to prove it)

vortech305

He must be a horrible driver

88irocz28

I'm gonna meet the Celice driver tonight. I'll set up a time with him and we'll find out for sure who's faster.

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'88 IROC 305 TPI
Crappy 700R4 slushbox
Gutted airboxes
180 degree T-stat
Advanced base TPS voltage
Relocated IAT sensor
Momo steering wheel (gotta luv it)
Ram-air setup coming soon
Flowmaster muffler (puke)
Taylor SpiroPro wires
Accel cap and rotor
Ported plenum
Kills: '94 Z28, Olds Aurora V8, bunch of Mustangs, T-birds, ricers, and others who assumed a 12 year-old car would be too slow.

RMK

Just remember to come back and tell us who wins. I hate rice, but how can a million chineese people be wrong? Probably due to comunism. But who cares, they are.

You'll smoke him.

vortech305

88' IROC Z if u lose dont bother coming back to this site