ZROCz28

soo i have a 83 z28 with a 305, all i have is an eldebrock performer intake, air cleaner and no cat...any way a new mustang ran up on me while i was going to drop my friend off at his girls house and flew by me soo naturally i gunned it and pulled up to him, we ran and i kept up and even had to let off the gas a few times, this was a newer mustang with a v8(i heard the exhuast) i was very happy and proud of my cammy, but how was i able to keep up with a new mustang, arent they supposed to be all "high and mighty?" lol thought id just share that sense yesterday was the first time the camaro was on the road in 6 years

82tarecaro

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He must have been toying with you. If it was a 5.0, they are high 12 second 1/4 mile cars. He would probably give my TTA a spanking.

el_muerte

He's making over 300 hp. You're close to 150 (190 if you have the L69). You do the math.

UnderCover89TBI

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he was probably really toying with you, or he had an exhaust on a v6 and you couldnt tell the difference. and the v6 would spank you too

82tarecaro

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Over 400 horsepower.

HiG4s

Yeah new V6 Mustangs and Camaros both make over 300hp.

Mustang GT is 412hp, Boss 302 is 444hp and Shelby is 550hp

Camaro SS is 426hp

Stock 1983 Z28 with LG4 was 150hp, with LU5 was 175hp, and with L69 was 190 hp.

I believe my 86 TA with the 4 bolt main, roller rocker 350 (instead of the original 305), edlebrock intake, Holly carb, and Headman headers is about 290hp (but I have not had it dynoed). And I'm not sure I could hang with an new V6 let alone the V8

1BADDAM

All run in the 12's too

UnderCover89TBI

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what are thier real HP numbers?

el_muerte

Excluding Shelby GTs, the 2011 Mustang GT is the first common package that makes over 400 hp. 2005-2009 GTs were 300 HP and the '10 was 315.

92firebird 305

I have a 1992 firebird with a 305 tbi puting down 202 hp and 268 tq but i have the crappy rearend 2.73 open im pretty sure if i had a 3.73 pois i could keep up woth a v6 camaro and mustang since they have 300 hp and only 270 tq to the crank before drivetrain loss at 18 percent that puts them at 246 hp and 221.40 tq the v8s have them beat on tq

UnderCover89TBI

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well you have it all figured out! make sure to post the video

nomind

Good luck with that. There is a video on youtube of a new, V6 Mustang, taking on a stock, auto, LT1. Sadly, the Mustang did squeak out the win.

82tarecaro

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Well - the OP said new. New, as in 2011 is over 400 HP.

Camarobuild18

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Camarobuild18

he was toying with this guy, new mustang drivers with there fancy 400+ HP will do that, cause they remember getting stomped in there earlier fox bodys by third gens BUT O.o IF any one wanted to stomp the s*** out of these, id opt for a 400 sbc or a 383 with those vortecs, and a good lopey cam.. Sleeping looking engine, look just like your 305

1BADDAM

I opt for my V6. I embarrassed a 300 hp GT so bad in the first 300' off a green light that he pulled up behind me at the next instead of staying in the lane of defeat.

Camarobuild18

well keep slaying em! But Im gonna reach the damnist goal. Embarriss someone with a new 444 hp 5.0. Stang. Ik that sounds crazy, but isnt impossible either. With what i got, and what im building, should be pretty quick.

v10viper04

I feel the new 5.0 is all hype. That motor is doing NOW what the LS motors have been doing for 14 years... I was following one around one day and everytime he got on it I was not loosing him infact I was not loosing any ground at all... And it was some middle aged guy who loves to show off so there's no question about weather he was in it 100% or not... Finally a good motor from Ford? Yes, Best motor out there? Hardly... Have you seen the vids on youtube of the noises coming out of the engine bays? Fords engineers did a pretty terrible job designing this engine... All kinds of bad noises coming from those 5.0 engine bays.... Some people just don't like top hear the truth though... haha 98-02 F-bodies have seen 12's stock down to the paper air cleaner, now a NEW Ford engine is doing that with 100 more hp... You do the math...

Camarobuild18

well your talking about a middle aged man, that can and will granny his new 'investment' are you forgetting the worth and value of these brand new? Must very different engine than the 302 Boss cause i heard one and didnt sound bad.
5.0 crate engine alone, is bout $4000. There now 'modular' With that i could build sbc to do twice as much, and it would be a carbed setup.. I agree those LS engines are and have been givin a name for best sbc. But fords modular engine is increasingly catching up. O and did anyone metion, the new 5.0 444 hp stang is and has been naturally aspirated. Its the Boss 302 were talking about here, lets hope chevy brings the Z28 back out with a newly designed and built LSDZ302. That would be mighty wicked. Im not gonna debate, theres people and theres cars, and cars dont drive them self, for $40,000 i better get one that does.

v10viper04

AGAIN I will state this guy LOVES to show off! He beats the **** out of his new 5.0 on a regular basis... I have yet to be impressed by this new motor. How is saying this new 5.0 is N/A saying its better than another engine? The LS3 makes just under that and has a lot more potential. Not to mention the 444hp is not standard as 412hp is.... Still hype to me...

Camarobuild18

i actually wanna see videos, not that im saying you cant whoop the dog **** out of it, but this is just intresting. Nobodys posted a video of anything about beating the hell out of a new 2011 boss 302

BigWhiteGTP

Yeah, 5.0's are doing 11.9's with a tune and cold air intake. Don't see too many LS1s doing that. I mean, LS1s WON'T DO THAT. Maybe a low 13's or a very high 12. But A mustang is still over 1 full second faster.

Get with the times guys. The LS1 is now considered slow, no matter how you feel about it.

v10viper04

That is complete bull man. I don't care how you look at at. 11.9's with just a tune and a cold air? Right.... I want hard proof of that... All these ppl got on the bandwagon with the OMG the new 5.0 runs 10's on DR's, a tune and Intake! Bull! If those same ppl happened to look further into the company that did 10's they would see the car had weight reduction, HOURS on HOURS on a dyno, custom chassis pieces, ehaust, might as well say it was a drag car with a setup that worked quite well... Were not talking specifically about the LS1 bud, about all LS motors in general. Want to say the LS9 is slow? Even the LS7? What about the LS3? All junk b/c they aren't the new 5.0? That last post is a perfect example of the hype this motor has been receiving...

v10viper04

Also you were comparing a factory LS1 to modded 5.0. Kind of a different generation. Also I looked up you supposed 11.9 with just those 2 mods and I have nothing else to say other than complete bull. I have seen, Tune, CAI, lightweight wheels, DR's, and a stall.... Big difference there.... Just those unmentioned mods could make a lot of cars 1 second faster... Let me quote another video of the same car....
" Kooks Long tubes, X pipe, axle back, 4.10 gears, Cirlce D 3600 converter, Steeda CAI, and a tune. The whhels are Race stars with Mickey Thompson drag radials."

This car is running 11's.
Sounds like a CAI and tune to me...

Camarobuild18

yes i think we all have been jumping on the hype... But none of us, unlike a few have seen what these cars can really do with someone who doesnt hold back. And yes, the new mustang does come with 444 hp, and those are factory mods. Not all modular engines can roll out with 400 hp without mods. but what kinda tq specs we talking about? 380? Haha we could be hyped over nothing

BigWhiteGTP

Damn .......
Bone stock with tires 12.12@114xx
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVexX...layer_embedded

CAI tune only 11.9s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFf2EWQ3wTE&NR=1

I also did compare a lid and tuned LS1 against this 11.9. NO LS1 is doing these times. FACT!!! You can ignore the fact and stay ignorant, I don't care. You asked for proof. There it is. Let me know if theres anything else you want me to look for.

BigWhiteGTP

What do LS1s trap stock 103-105? Pretty sure that mustang trapped 114? My eyes are a bit fuzzy in the morning. Must be a freak, right? What do freak LS1s trap 107-109? Thats still 5mph faster than a freak LS1.

Im interested at what else you have to say "COMPLETE BULL". Listen I love fbodies, but Im not blind. But these new mustangs look good. Not to mention they outhandle the new camaro and with a SRA.

All Im saying is that Im just sayin.

BigWhiteGTP

Here's one with a blower. 10.0@138. Not too many LS1s doing that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_LI816xU7o

Camarobuild18

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v10viper04

Agreed that some of the new 5.0's can run good. But come on an LS1 on stickies is a completely different ball game here too... Take a freak LS on stickies and you have a low 12 car... If you don't blow the 10 bolt anyways. haha I still feel its a hype... It's the first thing Ford has made thats worth a **** since the Terminator Cobra and everyone acts like its the best engine on the planet... That is the annoying part for me...

BigWhiteGTP

No you don't. Slicks run slower traps. You will still be 10mph slower even if you are within a half second. And sorry, a stock LS1 on slicks, with a tune and lid, will not be anywhere near a low 12. Im done, obviously some people are just retarded to facts.

Can you explain this 'HYPE'?

el_muerte

I kinda doubt OP can tell the difference between a 2011 and an '09 or '10 Mustang. Can you? For that matter, can you (without any references) tell me a couple of easily-distinguishable visual differences between an 05-08 and an 09-up?

gbayfisher

86White_T/A305

damn I need popcorn lol.

Im one who can give credit when its due.the new 5.0 deserves it.come on guys lets be real.when the ls1's first came out..everyone praised it as the best thing since sliced bread..and some still do for a motor thats 10+ yrs old already.lt1's took a bad rep but most gm guys never seem to admit that was a bad period of time.comparing an ls1 to the new 5.0 is apples to oranges..waste of an arguement.

there are guys with very..very lil mods on the new 5.0 that have hit high 11s and low 12s.doesnt mean just your average guy is going to still knock out those times either.can an ls1 hit those times..sure they can with supporting mods...not stock though.some ls1's have hit 11s cam only too..were they streetable on such big cams..nope! its racing..anything is possible with the right driver..motor setup and sometimes good luck.

really all the hype is because its a whole new design that does well for ford,especially at the target market they are after..its clearly beating out the camaro ss being the lighter car with good power and knockin on the doors of some vettes.if the new camaros shed some good weight even with their current power and a lil more stiffer suspension setup would make for a interesting matchup imo.

to keep my post related to the OP,sorry but a 305 even against the new mustang or camaro v6 isnt hanging very long without having some more work done,heads,cam,intake,headers and exhaust.305s at best made 190hp at the fly..how much do you think your making at the wheel?And alot of the v6 stangs sound like v8s and look the same..theres many ways to dress a stang at the dealership.some of us on here with tired 350tpi's would have a hard time with some of the newer v6 cars out today lol

v10viper04

How is it not a hype when the magazines all ran low 13's on that car and now all the sudden everyone can run low 12's? right... Unless the testers were really sandbagging it.. Also how can a slick make you run a slower time/speed? That makes no sense... so a car running a street tire burning off will trap a faster time/higher mph in the 1/4 than the same car on stickies? Your right some people are retarded to facts....

86White_T/A305

you can have a high trap but have a really crappy 60ft time too.having slick doesnt mean you will automatically trap higher either..but you have a better 60ft time.theres alot more at play than just tires making that difference though,gearing,suspension,power to weight etc will all add or hurt the final result.and then driver skill aswell.his statement is totally wrong about slicks and you arent totally right either lol.its just facts of racing in general

86White_T/A305

ill tell ya what the hype is lol,many guys think that all drivers are equal and all cars are equal. so when one 1 skilled driver for an article takes a car and lays down a time that may have been faster than another drive from another magazine.it becomes the standard.then once that hits the forums..many guys think there car is an instant 12s or better.thats how hype starts and spreads rampant.you will see lots of guys come out with there new 5.0s and cant run them right and click off 13s or less.it will pass..its just the 15 mins of fame.then gm will come out with something and it all starts again when ford guys will say gm guys are all hyped on the newest technological engine blah blah lol.either your on the bandwagon or your not.

v10viper04

ZROCz28

lol sorry for posting this and sparking a fight, iwas just curious why my car kinda had a good run with a stang lol

fly89gta

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Do you actually believe half of the stuff that you type? A freak LS1 on stickies is a low 12 second car? Yeah OK dude, either you're on crystal meth or you're in another dimension. j/k

That "hype" engine/car runs circles around anything you own, anything I currently own and most of the cars here. Does the LS3 have more potential? Yes, is the 5.0 "hype"? Not at all, the fact is it's a potent engine from the factory, plenty of Mustang guys have already tweaked them and have run impressive times. Don't let facts get in the way of your opinion.

Basing your opinion on magazine times is comical, they're taking new cars that haven't been broken in yet, there's also a reason why we've seen quite a few factory stock 12 second LS1's once they got some miles on them compared to still having the temp tag on them. The Mustang is no different.

I don't think anyone is saying EVERY 5.0 is a 12 second car but a bunch are, pound for pound they're solid, fast cars. If saying that makes me a crappy Fbody owner then so be it.

86White_T/A305

Doesnt make you a bad fbody owner.I dont like mustangs..doesnt mean I will knock them because of my preference.They have a very good base to start from and weigh much less than fbodies.I give respect when its due..and the new 5.0 gets that respect.

Mod for mod if you had the new stang against a new camaro with the same driver what car do you think will come out on top in the 1/4mile.High chance its the stang.Its no slouch..and I wouldnt run against one with my stock ls1.

Magazine times are for the guys that are also hyped on dyno numbers...same crowd imo.If my car dynoed 600+hp but I cant drive..dont mean Ill make a 11s or better pass lol.Means nothing to me other than a tool for dialing in my motors setup,not for bragging rights.

Lanaki Kauhai

I agree with 86white_T/A305 the new mustang is pretty fast and i really dont like mustangs ether. Hell thats one of the reasons why im putting a 427 in my car lol

86White_T/A305

gen1 427? or you going lsx 427. either way..that will be one nice ride.they sound sooo mean haha.

Lanaki Kauhai

BBC 427 its really a 454 block with a 427 crank in it all forged internall im hoping for 450+ to the wheels lol

Confuzed1

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Let's not forget the new modular 5.0's that Ford is cranking out have VVT. Makes a huge difference, almost like an engine that's able to change it's cam profile constantly depending on load. Over 400 HP from 5 liters...stock -not bad at all, and I'm not a Ford fan by any means...but you gotta give credit where credit is due. Gets better fuel milage too because of it. If LSX's had it, they'd be a bit faster too.

UnderCover89TBI

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man i shuold have bookmarked this thread

UnstableAviator

I agree, the new 5.0's are impressive. Ford got their act together in a lot of way since Mullaly took over, from passenger car quality to the hot new engine.

Anyway, the LS1 is an older engine now, but given their weight, size, and the new LS7/LS9 engines I think they're still as good as anything out there. However, if Ford continues to develop the 5.0...lookout!

Confuzed1

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lol - Not worth bookmarking...I had a hard time admitting LS1's were all that when they first came out. It's hard to deny engine performance has come a long way in the past 6 years or so.

Some of these new engines are getting over 100 HP per liter...think about that when you're buying a 2 liter of soda at the 7 eleven..lol

UnderCover89TBI

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haha. yeah ford comes out with this new and improved engine then chevy comes out with something better. And dodge does what they do. haha.

v10viper04

Still doesn't prove that fact that it's not a hype... I still feel like it is, the 5.0 I was playing with did not impress me.. i was disappointed... Not to mention ppl are claiming low 12's on a BONE STOCK 5.0 with just stickies some BONE STOCK with NO stickies... I call on that... A street car doesn't gain a second with just breaking in the motor...