transamws6

tookdown a third gen 350 and a 02 mustang gt with my tuned honda civic this weekend while cruising to a couple meets in chicago area...then got taken down by a jaguar s type v8 possibly supercharged from the noise it made...dont get me wrong my summer car is a 92 TA vert lol

iroc stangs

what makes this honda tuned?

spade

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and what does this honda have?

iroc stangs

hey, thats what i just said

Werewolf SS

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It got VTEK!!!!!!!

Most ricers think that means its tuned.

iroc stangs

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/theo...-sl2-dohc.html

2nd from last post.

So is the civic your BROTHERS or YOURS? OR are we speaking of two diffrent ones. Not trying to stirr up any crap soup im just curious.

transamws6

1990 honda civic hatch...5 speed trans..8.3 mm spark wires and aftermarket spark plugs msd setup...engine swap from d16 to b18 with header down pipe 2.5 exhaust pipe 3.75 muffler system thanks to magnaflow...awsome sound...brand new g force tires..front and rear controll arm swap..ti rod shortend car lowered droped 2 inches konig aluminum rims..aluminum radiator..high flow waterpump..high crank altenator..short shifter kit by jims muscle shop ...new shocks springs wishbone suspension..no power stearing or ac system belt spins free..soon to come turbo kit possibly 8 boost...basicly stock..just freshend the car up a bit

iroc stangs

what benifits does the b18 engine upgrade have over the d16. Sorry dont know much about hondas.

transamws6

no my brother has a 95 d16 motor v-tec his is hell of fun to drive because his car is turbo mainly.. he is more tuner and front wheel drive fan..i just baught civic for winter but we work on cars paps garage in illinois

transamws6

well its double over head cam..and bigger of course but its not v-tec like my brothers car..idk if it even matters..unless ur gonna turbo the dam thing

v10viper04

I actually raped a 5 spd V-tec civic tonight..... I was really disappointed at how slow it was.....

spade

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great minds think alike?

stealthroc89

Really, you come on here talking about how you took down a third gen and a Mustang in modified Civic?? Ya you have a thirdgen but come on, I have an Accord but I'm not going on Honduh site bragging on how I've whipped a Honda. Have some respect.

v10viper04

I agree but I'm sure the cars he ran were stock or ****. Not many modified N/A civics can run 13's. My friend has a 98 civic hatch with a Integra Type-R swap and it has bolt-ons and he can only run a 14.1 Most of them are not very quick, most 4 cyls need boost to be worth anything. No offense honda lovers....

transamws6

i do drive a third gen...and i love it to death..like i said my brother is a honda guy and i baught a used honda from him with some cheap parts that he hooked me up with and help of paps garage its pretty quick....hey sorry if the trans am was a old tired 350 and i smoked it and the ford mustange is pile **** out the door..but hey i admit 350 engine is wat im aiming at in my trans am and mine will be nice fresh and strong and always up to date..so it will smoke any stock honda like mine...not every third gen 350 muscle car bla bla bla same...get ur facts right

transamws6

go on a honda site and talk about ur car...i dont think they will mind it if u have a accord infact the turbo civics will easily destroy a stock 350 third gen believe that...but to be fair u gotta race stock vs stock or power adder vs power adder so both ways its all good just depends on how good and maintained the car is!!!

transamws6

ive had many trans ams and my friends cars smoke me..for once i smoked one with a honda....lol made me happy for a second....

eschevyrda

relax bro, its not that serious .

hes a third gen owner who loves his car just like we love our cars ,

so what if he beat a third gen it happens all the time , time to face the

facts that these cars are slow *** crap on stock trim . or he couldve

been a better driver lol



matter a fact hes the giving the uniformed teenager who just got an rs due

to watching transformers and thinks his car is the next bumble bee a

god dam wake up call.

transamws6

lunaticinaZ

um i work on hondas for a living. my question is did the 3rd gen and the stang know it was a race? the brand new si civics just broke the 200 hp mark and the older 2k's only had about 180. and a buddy of mine at work has a 03 white si hatchback with every mod you have and then some and i still had no trouble beating him in my 350 3rd gen

RS Chris

I look at it this way. Bragging about beating someone in your Hooooooonnnnddduuuuuuu, is like bragging about being the smartest retard. Its not really saying much.

Mitch91Z28

Lmao......

lunaticinaZ

ZONES89RS

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Damn....just damn....

whitedevilTA

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Apparently a lot of people think for some reason the 350 TPI third gens were fast cars stock. I hate to break it to you guys but they are not fast at all. A properly built all motor honda will hand it to a 350 TPI car all day long. ESPECIALLY the OP's 90 civic hatch that probably weighs around 2100 lbs. I don't know what the non V tec 1.8 is rated for power, but the 1.8 Vtec engine has 180 or so. Lets do the math....

2100 lbs devided by 180 HP = 11.6 power to weight
3400 lbs devided by 245 HP (350 TPI) = 13.8 power to weight

The third gen isn't even close.

My brother is actually building a turbo 1.8 VTEC 1990 hatchback as well. He plans to make 340 wheel HP which should almost put him door to door with my trans am which will be in the 600 RWHP mark. Pretty impressive if you ask me. Weight makes a HUGE difference in performance. It's not just all HP.

86White_T/A305

I highly agree with Whitedevil, all you guys are too quick to judge just because you cant get past the whole ric3 mentality that every honda is crap and cant be fast without a turbo and the gawdy bodykits.

If you cant accept that a honda will beat you and you think your car is the be all and end all on the streets then your only lying to yourself.I dont call my car fast..just quick light to light with the mods in my sig.Our cars are heavy..hondas can be extremely light..power to weight plays a big factor in a race like the one the OP mentioned and I dont doubt he did infact win.

My part timer has a 92 civic hatch with a b18 vtec with gsr head,cams,cam gears,full exhaust,its high compression,built 5 spd trans for circuit racing,and full jdm 5 bolt suspension with sticky street tire.Ive personally dynoed this car making 210whp and the car weighs 2200lbs if that with driver in full trim.

Let me tell you this car gives me a damn hard pressed run from a dig even with my 383 hsr...but with his gearing made for acceleration and me only using 3.23 gear..he will topout before me but its a drivers race.

keep in mind the OP didnt bash on our cars..or the ford nor the honda so I suggest all of you respect that instead.Not all of us are fast..not all hondas are slow..and it really doesnt take much to make a honda fast or mildly quick for very cheap.So to the OP..nice kill you earned it even if you took down one of us out there..but one day someone will return the favor lol.Thats racing folks..get over it! Respect a fast car when its due no matter the make or model..and the driver.

ZONES89RS

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I look at it like this, i am a American, i like American cars and the way they sound, the only thing i like is the sound of American V8s, everything else, even American, sounds like crap usually. There is no Honda that sounds good with a 4 banger, even if you beat someone you are still in a Honda. I have yet to find a Honda that runs with me, motor on motor that can come close to my stock truck engine with a cam.

The last Honda i ran was turboed and all the works, gave him his 50 roll, missing 2nd gear at the time, i had to roll out in 3rd, i still pulled him once in my power band, that is disappointing if i was driving a turboed civic.

Not all of them run the same, but you can take junk, make it quick, then all you have is fast junk.

Road racing a honda is cool, but drag racing? Man, i wish i could throw away money, every honda that wants to run wants to roll race anyway, that takes so much fun away having to always run from a roll.

whitedevilTA

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Being from texas I'm very surprised you've never been beat by a honda. Some fast cars come out of there! And you say truck motor like it's a bad thing lol. It's a 6.0 LSx! Thats a bad *** truck motor. Plus you have a Trex cam to back it up. Thats a mid to high 300 whp combo. Believe me I am American too and I have always and will always love american cars and that V8 sound, but I also give credit where it's due. When you can make 1.6 or 1.8 liters hold up to our V8's, thats pretty impressive. And as far as the sound, there are some that I don't mine. It kind of grows on you after a while I guess.

stealthroc89

Looks like a kill on paper, but on the street that wouldn't be the case since torque would be involved. It would be a good race though!

ZONES89RS

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The only Hondas around here that can beat me, cannot do it on the street from a dig. They want to go from a 60 on up because they are doing it wrong(FWD).

A 6.0 with a cam and intake that flow like mone, is well over 400 RWHP, never seen one with a LS1 under 400 unless it was a huge stalled TH400 with a 9 inch rear ect. eating up the dyno numbers.

There is no credit due for me, a 1.8 or whatever, do it in a 3300 pound ride, then there is credit, otherwise, it is like having a motorcycle, big deal, you dont weigh **** and you should be quick. Imagine how a 600s, 750s ect feel getting beat by my 89, must feel like **** i imagine, LOL.

whitedevilTA

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I'm not too familiar with what cammed 6.0's do for power so that was kind of a guess. And that is the one downfall of building something so light like a honda....it's front wheel drive, and even at 250 WHP your going to be spinning good without some DR's up front.

I have a 600 I need to lay a smackdown on once my car is done. Kids got a real big mouth that needs closing! And I'm just wondering, do you spray your engine? Newer 600's are almost 10 second bikes, let alone a 750. A freinds H/C/Nitrous LS1 that runs 11.0 at 127 was neck and neck with his brothers 09 GSXR 600, and the bikes bone stock!

ZONES89RS

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I am all motor, i have a 150 going on the car as soon as i get the 1 gallon cell and fuel pump for its dedicated fuel system. Otherwise, from a roll, i eat those small bikes.

RS Chris

I like supras and imports along those lines. The ones that can make real power and have proper wheel drive. Hondas, and Civics mainly, are economy cars. Don't care how fast you make it, its still a car that chicks drive. You can't polish a turd. And they will never be anywhere as cool as thirdgens.

whitedevilTA

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I agree with you for the most part.....however a few things I wanted to say are for one, I know I've seen plenty of chicks driving camaros and firebirds....even V8 models. Heck, my mom owned a brand new 79 firebird V8 back in the day! Also, there are plenty of "turd" third gens around that probably couldn't even be polished with an angle grinder.

Def agree with the fact that hondas will never be as cool as a third gen though!

ZONES89RS

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A 79 Trans Am was a big old turd FYI, LOL.

Chicks drive everything, hell, my wifes daily driver will whoop most on the board:

hairysox33

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My stock TPI 350 Z28 doesn't feel fast.... My cousin's Cold air/Exhaust CRX felt quicker

whitedevilTA

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I know they were...and it wasn't even a trans am, just a V8 firebird. But it was nice looking! My mom has shown me pics and it's cool seeing pictures of a 79 firebird brand new back in the day when she owned it. My father had a 70 455 4 speed TA as well. Guess I was born to own a trans am myself!

transamws6

1992 trans am 5.0 tpi pretty fast..some mods on it..

but my honda civic on other will pulll pretty hard for a b18 motor..

these kids dont know till they learn..most american cars are made in japan or china these days and if there not the parts are..if not then there making them plastic and copying japs and chinese to kewithep up with market... anyways im pulling a b18 swap in a 90 hatch ..and soon gonna ditch it for 2.0 i-vtec engine from a rsx type s and see wats gonna happen since those motors pull timing chain no belt lol so should be able to run a better head with future turbo mods ..but my main project is searching for that perfect ls1 to drop in the old third gen ragtop..cant wait..all cars are fun ..doesnt matter who makes them or were there made i can care less about that ****....

transamws6

your right....

il be honest i get beat in my honda a lot so no worries lol


my honda was built in japan..but when i rebuilt it in the united states chicago illinoise in my garage ... its a american car now because it was built here so no worries my honda is american lol

88 5.7 Iroc-Z

actually I think most American cars are made in Mexico and Canada

stealthroc89

Honda peole are no different than most 3rd gen owners. They get a car and do a couple mods and think they're fast. I know guys that think thier 5.0 tpi cars can whip my hsr vortec 350, not going to happen. I've heard there are fast hondas out there but I've never run across one, the best race I've had against one was against a S2000, the guy said he had mods, but I handed his *** to him. Maybe it was the driver because honestly I thought it would have been a closer race.

ZONES89RS

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My first ever ride was a 75 TA with the 455, wish i never got rid of it.

Convoy25

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still American

jordanandrewkay

**** my honda was made in mexico.......

tjhawk31

i know its sad to be racing a 2.8 auto but killed a civic all ricered out spray painted black hood, big wind sail on the trunk. but there again if in stead of being born and raised a chevy guy could have been raised honda and be driving a civic and on a honda site saying my civic whiped some camaro (typing that kinda hurt....) but to each his own

Vicious

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my internet is faster than that honda

86Z

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hmm nothing wrong with 5.0 TPI's i'm sure you'd change that outlook if i was on the side of you.


some civic's are fast, in the end it's still a civic. a car i view as a econo box, it's lead to a bunch of civics running around with fart cannons on, annoying me, just the other day i saw a mini van with a fart cannon.

whitedevilTA

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If you lived by me you'd see some fast hondas. Theres a lot of tasteful ones too....not stripped out clap boxes that sound like tractors. A freind of mine has a turbo 97 SI that makes 340 whp. Car is crazy fast. Another kid I've seen has a mid 90's civic that runs consistent 11's at the track and the car is one of the cleanest around. My brother is putting a K20 engine (200HP) in a 1990 civic hatchback. Car weighs 2100 lbs full weight and should run low 12's with that engine with an intake, exhaust and tune.....and it'll still get 28 mpg around town. They are fun to mess with but I've been on both sides of the spectrum so I'm not very biased. Someimes it is nice to have a weight advantage on your side

Mine was made in Canada! Says so right on the radiator support.

all4u

I find this thread so funny. The thing about it is, my older brother has a 95 civic hatch with a turboed K20 that is completely stripped out with DR's on the front. He can beat me up on the top end but in a quarter mile, it's pretty even. I'm running a modified TPI 383 cubes with bolt ons and I do have a small shot of nitrous. Off the juice, he's got me beat, on the juice, it's really close. Before the suspension, I was always spinning coming out of the hole, now with the suspension done, I grab and go. Torque makes a huge difference and from one stop light to the next, you have every 4 popper in your rear view mirror. I respect hondas, they are good cars, but as far as racing, for every import that runs 9's, there are 20 american cars that run just as fast.

By the way, if my firechicken was boosted, my brother wouldn't stand a chance in hell. His car would look like he was running as slow as a turtle with a broken leg! Also understand, I built my car with 8 grand, and he poured just over 20 grand in his civic. Money can make you fast, more money, more speed. There's nothing to it if you have deep pockets.

stealthroc89

My brothers SR20DET 240SX is the fastest 4-banger I've come across. Just a JDM engine swap and exhaust, ran a 12.7 with 21psi. The whole swap tallied up to a whopping $2500!! It's all about the platform, if you start at the bottom, your going to have a long trip to the top. Fast Hondas are something to respect, just like any other fast car, reguardless of make. Someone took the time and devotion to get it there and as many of us know, the road to power can be long and hard.