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impala ss kill
i was on my way to work last night, kind've minding my own business when i look in the mirror and see this very nice impala ss charging up on me pretty hard. i was doing the speed limit coming out of town (35mph) and he decides to pass me. when he gets beside me he decides to be an *** and swerve at me just a little and lay on the gas to go on around. i think he got a little surprised because i stomped the gas and when it down shifted it chirped just a little and left him in the dust. i'm not sure what, if any, mods he had but it sounded awsome and looked real good too and for it to have the lowest rated hp for an lt1, it really surprised me how well it can move such a big car.
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thanks guys, it was the first run since i got the iroc. i got an srt4 that wants to run next so we'll see how that goes
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Originally Posted by cactusjack0053
i was on my way to work last night, kind've minding my own business when i look in the mirror and see this very nice impala ss charging up on me pretty hard. i was doing the speed limit coming out of town (35mph) and he decides to pass me. when he gets beside me he decides to be an *** and swerve at me just a little and lay on the gas to go on around. i think he got a little surprised because i stomped the gas and when it down shifted it chirped just a little and left him in the dust. i'm not sure what, if any, mods he had but it sounded awsome and looked real good too and for it to have the lowest rated hp for an lt1, it really surprised me how well it can move such a big car.
Just be glad you didn't stumble across a NEW Impala SS. He would have given you a run for your money, or beat you.
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Good kill.
Just be glad you didn't stumble across a NEW Impala SS. He would have given you a run for your money, or beat you.
Just be glad you didn't stumble across a NEW Impala SS. He would have given you a run for your money, or beat you.
Yeah my mom.
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Originally Posted by cactusjack0053
thanks guys, it was the first run since i got the iroc. i got an srt4 that wants to run next so we'll see how that goes
Good kill
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I like the new ones more than the blown ones.. but they're still a wimpy front wheel drive. I like those older LT1 SSs. big engine, RWD, nice car. They're sweet!
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Originally Posted by EvoTech1
New? Like how new cuz my MOM drives a 3.xlitre blown impala ss, and... well, she likes it and thinks its fast....should tell you somthing.
Yeah my mom.
Yeah my mom.
I'm talking 2006+ with a 300 hp 5.3 LS4.
0-60 in 5.7 seconds. They'd whoop up pretty bad on the old SS's of about any vintage.
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I like the new ones more than the blown ones.. but they're still a wimpy front wheel drive.
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I want to see an Impy SS with an LS2 and a T-56. That would be loads better than the crap they have now.
of course that's basically what the GTO is.
of course that's basically what the GTO is.
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i think if chevy is going to keep using the SS name then it needs to atleast live up to the namesake. i'm still upset that they killed the rwd monte carlo ss concept back in '96
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Originally Posted by cactusjack0053
i think if chevy is going to keep using the SS name then it needs to atleast live up to the namesake. i'm still upset that they killed the rwd monte carlo ss concept back in '96
If they made the Monte and Impy SS cars RWD, I don't really think anyone would have much to complain about. Even the TrailBlazer SS would give several 60s SS cars a run for their money. And the Impy and Monte SS's would take it. The Monte SS is supposed to be as fast as an LS1 F-body 0-60.
But I agree about the RWD thing. If someone's purchasing an SS in the first place, they want RWD.
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You silly geese. If they made the Monte Carlo and Impala SSes with the motor you want, and RWD, there would be no reason to bring back the Camaro now would there?
We need to think past our noses here now. If you offer too many variables of essentially the same drivetrain, then your sales will spread out to a few of each car, instead of a bunch of one car. They need to narrow the options and force customers into a car so they can make money off the design.
Are you happy again? You should be.
We need to think past our noses here now. If you offer too many variables of essentially the same drivetrain, then your sales will spread out to a few of each car, instead of a bunch of one car. They need to narrow the options and force customers into a car so they can make money off the design.
Are you happy again? You should be.
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Well the imp used to be a RWD car, but they canned it. The only people that bought them were people that wanted a nice car with punch and with some collectability to it. There were very few of those LT1 cars made, and they go for a LOT of cash nowadays.
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You silly geese. If they made the Monte Carlo and Impala SSes with the motor you want, and RWD, there would be no reason to bring back the Camaro now would there?
We need to think past our noses here now. If you offer too many variables of essentially the same drivetrain, then your sales will spread out to a few of each car, instead of a bunch of one car. They need to narrow the options and force customers into a car so they can make money off the design.
Are you happy again? You should be.
We need to think past our noses here now. If you offer too many variables of essentially the same drivetrain, then your sales will spread out to a few of each car, instead of a bunch of one car. They need to narrow the options and force customers into a car so they can make money off the design.
Are you happy again? You should be.
for pointing this out for everyone Stu.
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Originally Posted by stu
You silly geese. If they made the Monte Carlo and Impala SSes with the motor you want, and RWD, there would be no reason to bring back the Camaro now would there?
We need to think past our noses here now. If you offer too many variables of essentially the same drivetrain, then your sales will spread out to a few of each car, instead of a bunch of one car. They need to narrow the options and force customers into a car so they can make money off the design.
Are you happy again? You should be.
We need to think past our noses here now. If you offer too many variables of essentially the same drivetrain, then your sales will spread out to a few of each car, instead of a bunch of one car. They need to narrow the options and force customers into a car so they can make money off the design.
Are you happy again? You should be.
For example, you can very comfortably seat 5 people in a Impala, or 4 in a Monte. This cannot happen in an F-body for any extended period of time, unless everyone is very short.
And an Impala is a 4 door, and therefore more ideal than a Camaro for a grocery getter/family car. Neither car has any sort of reputation for handling like a Camaro, and they are both priced below what an F-body will cost when they return, so they are more ideal for someone who just wants straightline performace and doesn't want to pay for cornering ability. This was the idea behind the 80s G-body (Cutlass/Monte) and they sold really well, still tons of them on the road.
There were a bazillion cars with similar drivetrain in the 60s and they sold like hotcakes because they each fit a specific market segment. Granted, I don't think that ALL Impalas should be RWD for practicality, and though it's probably ridiculously impractical to have just one RWD model, a RWD SS would be more proper. Who knows though. Chrysler/Dodge is selling full size RWD V6/V8 sedans like nobody's business these days, maybe people don't care that much about RWD in the snow anymore.
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If you want to fit a bunch of people in the car, don't care about handling, want a ton of room for groceries, why would you care which drive wheels the car has?
If all you cared about was straight line performance, you'd just get a faster car, hence the Camaro.
That's the way I see it anyway.
I can't argue with you too much though since it's pretty obvious that American car companies make some pretty boring **** that no one wants (every family sedan every made), some pretty stupid/ugly **** that no one wants (Aztec anyone?), and everyone once in a while, a ****ing sweet car that makes you wonder how they are able to lower themselves enough to make the stupid undesirable **** (Cobras and Corvettes)
If all you cared about was straight line performance, you'd just get a faster car, hence the Camaro.
That's the way I see it anyway.
I can't argue with you too much though since it's pretty obvious that American car companies make some pretty boring **** that no one wants (every family sedan every made), some pretty stupid/ugly **** that no one wants (Aztec anyone?), and everyone once in a while, a ****ing sweet car that makes you wonder how they are able to lower themselves enough to make the stupid undesirable **** (Cobras and Corvettes)
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Originally Posted by stu
If you want to fit a bunch of people in the car, don't care about handling, want a ton of room for groceries, why would you care which drive wheels the car has?
If all you cared about was straight line performance, you'd just get a faster car, hence the Camaro.
That's the way I see it anyway.
I can't argue with you too much though since it's pretty obvious that American car companies make some pretty boring **** that no one wants (every family sedan every made), some pretty stupid/ugly **** that no one wants (Aztec anyone?), and everyone once in a while, a ****ing sweet car that makes you wonder how they are able to lower themselves enough to make the stupid undesirable **** (Cobras and Corvettes)
If all you cared about was straight line performance, you'd just get a faster car, hence the Camaro.
That's the way I see it anyway.
I can't argue with you too much though since it's pretty obvious that American car companies make some pretty boring **** that no one wants (every family sedan every made), some pretty stupid/ugly **** that no one wants (Aztec anyone?), and everyone once in a while, a ****ing sweet car that makes you wonder how they are able to lower themselves enough to make the stupid undesirable **** (Cobras and Corvettes)
The reason they would care about drive wheels is because FWD is not seen as a traditional American performance drivetrain. That, and it's worthless at the drag strip. There are a lot of people who want a 2 door car that can is practical as a daily driver in terms of cargo area/seating and is a viable performance platform as well. Which you cannot get with an F-body.
The new Montes SSs are nice looking and are priced to compete with a Mustang GT and offer similar performance, but until they're RWD (and offer a 5/6 speed) they're not going to pull many people from the performance segment in, even though they're plenty fast and look pretty nice too. Which is why they should be RWD. It's stupid for GM to waste the effort of putting ANY of their smallblocks into a FWD car. Make it RWD, nice looking, and affordable and it will sell.
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Originally Posted by 80smetalfan
There are a lot of people who want a 2 door car that can is practical as a daily driver in terms of cargo area/seating and is a viable performance platform as well.
I used to be a lot tech, and I can safely say that a Civic is much more fun car to drive than a Monte Carlo. Even though is slower, it certainly has more throwable feel to it.
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No there aren't. There may be a lot of people who are enthusiasts, but those are a small percentage of the whole.
I used to be a lot tech, and I can safely say that a Civic is much more fun car to drive than a Monte Carlo. Even though is slower, it certainly has more throwable feel to it
I can tell you that a 300 hp Monte with the type of cornering ability and road feel that most of the current SS cars offer is pretty much going to be more fun any way you look at it. In a matchup of 2006 Civic Si with all of 197 hp vs. a 2006 Monte SS that hits 60 in 5.4 seconds, I'll take the SS. The SS isn't bad on gas (28mpg) and I'm sure it probably corners pretty well.
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I know that there are thousands of those cars on the road, my point was that 99% of them aren't going to take their car to the track like in your example, and in that case, which drive wheels it has doesn't really matter.
I know what you are talking about, but people tend to forget that car enthusiasts are an extremely small minority of car buyers and their wants don't get considered all that often.
I know what you are talking about, but people tend to forget that car enthusiasts are an extremely small minority of car buyers and their wants don't get considered all that often.
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I can't argue with you too much though since it's pretty obvious that American car companies make some pretty boring **** that no one wants (every family sedan every made), some pretty stupid/ugly **** that no one wants (Aztec anyone?), and everyone once in a while, a ****ing sweet car that makes you wonder how they are able to lower themselves enough to make the stupid undesirable **** (Cobras and Corvettes)
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Stu you think american cars are ugly? name one good looking honda?
I never said they were ugly, I said they were boring and undesirable. So did America. Get over it.
Detroit Fuming Over Consumer Reports Top Ten Picks
roanoke.com - Commentary Stories-Consumer Reports has more bad news for Detroit
I'm not trashing on these designs because their American, I'm just pointing out a fact that domestic automakers are going to have to face and fix if they hope to survive. This isn't the first time domestic car companies have run into financial trouble because they make stuff no one wants.
From the second article:
However, America's automakers are fighting an uphill battle to regain the consumer confidence they lost after many years of so-so quality and a series of high-profile "problem cars" -- from the Oldsmobile diesel in the late 1970s to the Ford Explorer rollover debacle just a few years ago.
Also, the domestics have had trouble connecting with the market -- building cars that management thinks buyers ought to want rather than building cars the market does in fact want. Recent examples of this disconnect include the unfortunate Pontiac Aztek and GTO, as well as the Lincoln Aviator and Ford Excursion SUV. All flopped badly and had to be cancelled after just a few short years of lackluster sales.
There is no analog for such poor perception of market needs/wants among the Japanese manufacturers -- who continue to display an uncanny insight into what people want -- and are willing to pay full price for. The radically designed Honda Ridgeline is a case in point. It's neither a car nor a truck -- but a brilliant fusion of both.
Or consider the new Civic. It sets a new high-water mark for what a small car should be, offering such things as GPS navigation (also available in Mazda's excellent 3 series) and, in the sport-themed Si version, a 197-hp engine with variable valve timing an 8,300 RPM redline and a six-speed manual transmission. This car (and import sport compacts like it) has become the "in" car for 18-25 year-olds, for the same reason that '55-'57 Chevies once ruled the street a few generations ago. Style, affordability and great price -- in one package.
It seems straightforward enough -- but the domestics (GM especially) just don't seem to get it. The blandly styled, "badge-engineered" GTO stands in sharp contrast to the lean, exciting Civic Si.
In addition to the embarrassing CR rankings (or non-rankings), there was more bad news for domestic automakers in terms of sales this year. Ford sales dropped by another 4 percent in February; GM was down 2.5 percent. Honda, meanwhile, posted an 8.7 percent increase over the same period, and Toyota is poised to sell a staggering 9 billion cars worldwide this year, possibly overtaking General Motors as the world's largest automaker.
The bread-and-butter Camry continues to be the best-selling car in North America, and Toyota is making steady inroads into the final redoubt of American car company strength, large trucks and SUVs.
There's plenty of blame to go around for all this -- and depending on your personal biases, you can lay it at the feet of the unions, government meddling, unfair trade practices on the part of the Japanese, etc. But the bottom-line reality is that American car companies have lost the allegiance of consumers -- not just Consumer Reports.
Until -- and if -- they can get it back, the slide will continue apace.
Also, the domestics have had trouble connecting with the market -- building cars that management thinks buyers ought to want rather than building cars the market does in fact want. Recent examples of this disconnect include the unfortunate Pontiac Aztek and GTO, as well as the Lincoln Aviator and Ford Excursion SUV. All flopped badly and had to be cancelled after just a few short years of lackluster sales.
There is no analog for such poor perception of market needs/wants among the Japanese manufacturers -- who continue to display an uncanny insight into what people want -- and are willing to pay full price for. The radically designed Honda Ridgeline is a case in point. It's neither a car nor a truck -- but a brilliant fusion of both.
Or consider the new Civic. It sets a new high-water mark for what a small car should be, offering such things as GPS navigation (also available in Mazda's excellent 3 series) and, in the sport-themed Si version, a 197-hp engine with variable valve timing an 8,300 RPM redline and a six-speed manual transmission. This car (and import sport compacts like it) has become the "in" car for 18-25 year-olds, for the same reason that '55-'57 Chevies once ruled the street a few generations ago. Style, affordability and great price -- in one package.
It seems straightforward enough -- but the domestics (GM especially) just don't seem to get it. The blandly styled, "badge-engineered" GTO stands in sharp contrast to the lean, exciting Civic Si.
In addition to the embarrassing CR rankings (or non-rankings), there was more bad news for domestic automakers in terms of sales this year. Ford sales dropped by another 4 percent in February; GM was down 2.5 percent. Honda, meanwhile, posted an 8.7 percent increase over the same period, and Toyota is poised to sell a staggering 9 billion cars worldwide this year, possibly overtaking General Motors as the world's largest automaker.
The bread-and-butter Camry continues to be the best-selling car in North America, and Toyota is making steady inroads into the final redoubt of American car company strength, large trucks and SUVs.
There's plenty of blame to go around for all this -- and depending on your personal biases, you can lay it at the feet of the unions, government meddling, unfair trade practices on the part of the Japanese, etc. But the bottom-line reality is that American car companies have lost the allegiance of consumers -- not just Consumer Reports.
Until -- and if -- they can get it back, the slide will continue apace.
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I have to agree with Stu that the Americian companies have been building too much,of basically the same car...however(in my opinion)to me any year Honda looks kinda girly....good kill Cactus
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yeah i guess the s2000 is good looking, if you're into chick cars. i'm not going to argue with you on the fact that american manufacturers have lost base with what people want and very badly need a reality check. but i do think that GM along with other american manufactures are starting to build some high performing good looking cars i.e. the new camaro, the new challanger, the new mustang, the new charger ( i know people will disagree). and i do think that the new impala and monte carlo are very good looking cars. We both know that i'm not going to change your veiws and your not going to change mine. But if your going to bag on american cars on a web site devoted strictly to american cars don't assume your not going to make people angry.
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You're talking about the wrong cars. Of course the sports cars are exciting. (Well, the charger needs a manual) it's all the other cars that suck.
The new Malibu has sweet features, but it's boring as all hell. Anyone who would take the last gen Malibu over an equal Accord, Camary, or Maxima is an idiot though. Buick has some cars have some sweet stuff on them, they always have, but the package that they put them in is totally ridiculous. I don't mind Buick though because they market to old people and as we all know we have the highest population rate of old people as we've ever had in history because people are living longer and there were a lot of baby boomers. I think Buick will do okay.
A brand new example of domestic manufactures being stupid is the Dodge Caliber. There is the base model, an R/T model, and an SRT model. The SRT has an awesome 300hp and 280 ft/lbs of torque. The R/T model has AWD. Why in the HELL would Dodge not offer the SRT with AWD? It's like they don't get it.
By the way, if you think the S2000 is a chick looking car, you've got some personal issues. Do you think the Acura TSX looks like a chick car as well? Honestly curious.
The new Malibu has sweet features, but it's boring as all hell. Anyone who would take the last gen Malibu over an equal Accord, Camary, or Maxima is an idiot though. Buick has some cars have some sweet stuff on them, they always have, but the package that they put them in is totally ridiculous. I don't mind Buick though because they market to old people and as we all know we have the highest population rate of old people as we've ever had in history because people are living longer and there were a lot of baby boomers. I think Buick will do okay.
A brand new example of domestic manufactures being stupid is the Dodge Caliber. There is the base model, an R/T model, and an SRT model. The SRT has an awesome 300hp and 280 ft/lbs of torque. The R/T model has AWD. Why in the HELL would Dodge not offer the SRT with AWD? It's like they don't get it.
By the way, if you think the S2000 is a chick looking car, you've got some personal issues. Do you think the Acura TSX looks like a chick car as well? Honestly curious.
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The S2k is a chick car
I agree, american companies have been making predictable cars. Hell all of Cadillac's lineup looks the same And all of GM's trucks look extremely similar.
I agree, american companies have been making predictable cars. Hell all of Cadillac's lineup looks the same And all of GM's trucks look extremely similar.
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Some of you guys are clueless. Stu is dead on. So because a vehicle has the SS badge it should be RWD? Are you f'in kidding me? So let's TOTALLY redesign the car AGAIN with $$t that's not there to satisfy a few people that want RWD. As if GM wasn't stupid enough as it is. So we'd have an Impala/Monte RWD, the oh so popular selling GTO( ) and the return of the Camaro in '09. Right, the market is so huge for RWD right now. Oh yeah, can't forget Caddy's RWD cars.
You can't compare 2006 to the 60's. The times are not the same, who gives a **** what sold like hotcakes back in the 60's. Maybe THAT thought process is what got GM in trouble today(among other things). The Impy and MC have been grocery getter cars for well over 10 years now and that will continue to be it's role in the future. There is absolutely NO reason for them to be RWD to make a few whiney people happy. There is no marketplace for them and no need. It's not like GM would be luring customers from other vehicles if they made those cars RWD.
Oh yeah I guess the Cobalt should be RWD to right? You guys fail to realize "SS" is nothing more than a marketing gimmick anymore, evveryone knows the title SS, it's an option package, nothing more.
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Actually, I can't stand the S2000. They look ok but I personally think they're slow as ****. However I love Acura's new lineup of cars. They sexy.
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...and how many of those sales would've been lost if they were RWD. I can guarantee a lot of them would've been.
You can't compare 2006 to the 60's. The times are not the same, who gives a **** what sold like hotcakes back in the 60's. Maybe THAT thought process is what got GM in trouble today(among other things). The Impy and MC have been grocery getter cars for well over 10 years now and that will continue to be it's role in the future. There is absolutely NO reason for them to be RWD to make a few whiney people happy. There is no marketplace for them and no need. It's not like GM would be luring customers from other vehicles if they made those cars RWD.
Oh yeah I guess the Cobalt should be RWD to right? You guys fail to realize "SS" is nothing more than a marketing gimmick anymore, evveryone knows the title SS, it's an option package, nothing more.
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By the way, if you think the S2000 is a chick looking car, you've got some personal issues. Do you think the Acura TSX looks like a chick car as well? Honestly curious.
Actually, I can't stand the S2000. They look ok but I personally think they're slow as ****. However I love Acura's new lineup of cars. They sexy.
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Well then, I guess all of the millions of people who've bought Gran Prix's and Monte Carlos over the last 10 years apparently don't represent a large demographic of all auto consumers. There are tons of GTPs and Monte SSs on the road, more than just "enthusiasts".
...and how many of those sales would've been lost if they were RWD. I can guarantee a lot of them would've been.
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How much of a market is there for a front wheel drive car with 303 hp family sedan? And GM wouldn't have to spend a bunch of money to redesign it if they had done it right in the first place.
i'm sorry but yes i think the s2k is a chick car.
i'm sorry but yes i think the s2k is a chick car.
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The only car in Chevy's line up that can even be compared to the S2000 is the ZO6 Corvette and you guys are calling it a chick car.
All because it's slow in a straight line.
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Not much, that's the whole point here.
All because it's slow in a straight line.
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How much of a market is there for a front wheel drive car with 303 hp family sedan?
Not much, that's the whole point here.
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How much of a market is there for a front wheel drive car with 303 hp family sedan? And GM wouldn't have to spend a bunch of money to redesign it if they had done it right in the first place.
Then again half the *******s on this site think the only car is a car with a big 'ol V8 and RWD. Everything else is crap when in reality they have on f'in clue on what it takes to build a car and compete with other cars in it's class.
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Stu...I wasnt trying to say that, in terms of power the s2000 sucked,I was just saying that it looks a bit girly(just my opinion)...and not because it doesn't have a v8...let's try to keep on topic.This is a kill story and not a import v.s. domestic war.
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Well I personally feel that the Impy and Monte are nice cars. But I think that the regular models whould be FWD and the SS RWD because we all know RWD is better for straightline performance, and if your buying the SS's your prob looking for performance in the first place. Second thought, honda, I disgust honda. Honda is a good company, good sales, good market base and they generally give the people what they want. But I cannot stand anything they put out. To me their cars just dont have *****, and styling is numb. Yes the S2000 is a girls car, I can picture Lindsay Lohan driving one right now. Not dog the s2000 so much but my other car is a 2000 Chrysler LHS and for its size its not bad. I've raced a S2000, Sentra SER-spec v, IS300 all fell prey to the bigass car. Not saying that the LHS is a fast car but it has *****, and its not even supposed to be quick, check the stats I believe it runs somewhere under 7seconds to 60. Also I dont really count Acura as being honda even thought it is "honda" its a totally diff group that has a diff market. Cause in that case ford guys could brag about jaguar. But no Im not one of those people stuck in the 60's musclecar theme, I just like american cars. I buy american because I live in and support america.
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Originally Posted by stu
The only car in Chevy's line up that can even be compared to the S2000 is the ZO6 Corvette and you guys are calling it a chick car.
All because it's slow in a straight line.
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Not much, that's the whole point here.
All because it's slow in a straight line.
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Not much, that's the whole point here.
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Also I dont really count Acura as being honda even thought it is "honda" its a totally diff group that has a diff market. Cause in that case ford guys could brag about jaguar.
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Originally Posted by cheese_kake
Well I personally feel that the Impy and Monte are nice cars. But I think that the regular models whould be FWD and the SS RWD because we all know RWD is better for straightline performance, and if your buying the SS's your prob looking for performance in the first place.
Right, it's easy to convert a platform to RWD for a few thousand cars lol
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Cheese_Cack: You are severly confused. Please start lurking again.
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Right, it's easy to convert a platform to RWD for a few thousand cars lol
GM had no problem providing holes and provisions from the factory in my car to accomodate both Chevy and Buick/Olds/Pontiac motors and drivetrain setups on all of their cars. When I switched from a Small block Olds and TH-200C to a SBC and 700-R4, there were already a separate set of motor mount holes that were in the right place for the narrower SBC on the crossmember, as well as enough of a tab on the tranny mount to where it was easily modified to accomodate a 700-R4/Long tail TH-350. All that was needed was a shortened driveshaft. Ford managed to offer a live axle on the last generation Mustang GT's, yet use a independent suspension setup on their high-option cars, the Cobras. That wasn't easy either, but they didn't have much of a problem.
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Giving it some thought, it wouldn't be all too bad. The new V8/FWD SS's have motors mounted front to back, not side to side, and use a the same type of drivetrain setup as a Toronado. Use a differential from a GTO, keep the independent suspension that's in place, and install a T-56 and driveshaft. Not all that tricky, which is why people do it with Toronados all the time. You could easily fit it into a performance package.
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I never said they should convert the platforms, I said I believed thats what they should have done. Yes my comparison wasnt the best, but my general point was that Honda division is not the same as the Acura division. You cannot compare Honda to chevy and use a TSX.
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I never said they should convert the platforms, I said I believed thats what they should have done.
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NEED or ROOM, ok well if they produced only RWD in the SS's in low production, why is that a problem with need or room. As stated before RWD is good for straightline performance so if your getting an SS why not have it suited with the best drivetrain. I know that this would cost alot more money to have two different platforms and GM is already in money trouble but thats what I think from a buyers perspective not considering a companies best interests. My dad has a 96 Impy SS and he would buy the new one if it was RWD.
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Dude there is no room for ANOTHER RWD vehicle in GM's lineup. There is NO reason for them to be RWD, none whatsoever. A car doesn't have to be RWD/6-speed/V8 to be nice and decent.
Then again half the *******s on this site think the only car is a car with a big 'ol V8 and RWD. Everything else is crap when in reality they have on f'in clue on what it takes to build a car and compete with other cars in it's class.
Then again half the *******s on this site think the only car is a car with a big 'ol V8 and RWD. Everything else is crap when in reality they have on f'in clue on what it takes to build a car and compete with other cars in it's class.
I know that there are thousands of those cars on the road, my point was that 99% of them aren't going to take their car to the track like in your example, and in that case, which drive wheels it has doesn't really matter.
I know what you are talking about, but people tend to forget that car enthusiasts are an extremely small minority of car buyers and their wants don't get considered all that often.
I know what you are talking about, but people tend to forget that car enthusiasts are an extremely small minority of car buyers and their wants don't get considered all that often.
All of the new reviews of the new SS cars praise them highly with one exception. They all complain about the FWD. In this application (with a 303 hp/323 lb-ft V8) it simply hinders more than drag strip use. Torque steer and understeer also are problems. You have no throttle oversteer, which quite a few sports car fans enjoy, not to mention the cornering ability is diminished. I think we both agree that it's not like these cars will experience leaps and bounds in handling ability by just converting to RWD, it would mainly be an improvement in a few areas, not as a whole.
But it's not just the hicks from the sticks who are trying to bring back the 60s on this. Motor Trend, Car and Driver, Autoweek, all of the typical mags complain about it, and suggest themselves that the SS models be RWD.
I agree that Detriot needs to get it's game back to win back marketshare, but the ONLY Detriot company that is pulling good sales right now has about 6 different RWD passenger car models it offers, and while Dodge has a whole lot more going for them right now than RWD (good looks especially), it's apparently not a big enough problem to the average Joe to keep him from gobbling up Chargers and Magnums and 300Ms. And the auto media likes it too.
I think probably 90% most of the people who pay thousands extra to get a supercharger on their motor or a 300 hp V8 would prefer RWD, and as discussed, it's not that outlandish to offer it on a FWD based platform. The original Toronado was an A-body, and we all know A-body Chevelles weren't FWD. This is the same idea, except the other way around. I mean really, it's not something GM would have to spend thousands on at all. It would just be a matter of using some parts from another platform, a practice they do all the time.
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Originally Posted by cheese_kake
As stated before RWD is good for straightline performance so if your getting an SS why not have it suited with the best drivetrain.
HUH? So I guess the Cobalt SS should be RWD then right? The SS badge is nothng more than a freaking option package.
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There is a big reason. It's called the Ford Mustang. And nobody is going to choose a boring-looking 30K GTO over it, no matter how much faster it is, unless they got deep pockets (in which case they probably wouldn't consider the Mustang anyways.)
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Once again you have to miss the point and go to something else. NOT ONCE , NOT ONCE, did I say anything about the Cobalt SS and never did I say it should be RWD. OK so try to stay on topic man, I believe I was talking about the Impys and Monte's, or did you already forget that. Ok so Im done here theres no point in going back in forth. Set our differences aside we all have third gens and we love them, the End. Im done here.