redcamaro1989

i went with my parents to buy a new car for them and my mother test drove a 02 gt conv. it had an after market exuast and a k&n cold air intake. i drove it and it didnt feel that much faster than my lo3. so the question is how badly would it beat my car becasue it didnt feel that much faster

DuronClocker

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An '02? Bad.. You should beat the 96-98 verts though.

redcamaro1989

yeah it felt only a tad bit fastr than mine. maybe like it would be half car length ahead

urbanhunter44

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Yeah those stangs aren't anything special, it's probably a second and a half faster than you in the quarter though. They have 260 hp i believe. Heavy though.

TBI92Camaro

Being a 'vert its around mid 14's stock. the exhaustp ut it in low 14's and you run high 15's/low 16's....go figure.

ShiftyCapone

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That car is faster thatn yours. At least more than a full second in the quarter.

urbanhunter44

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I am constantly surprised by mustangs at the drag strip. I guess those 98-04 GT motors don't respond well to mods? I constantly see full bolt ons + suspension/tire mustangs putting down 13.7s on average. You'd think a FULL bolt on + suspension/tire stang could pull better times than that. I'm almost there with a basically stock car with a sh*tty 60ft.

phoenix305

Yeah, i saw an article in car and driver on a guy that supercharged his 2005 mustang and put headers and exhaust on it and it only ran a 13.3. When a stock LS1 can put down your supercharged stang you need a diffrent car.

TBI92Camaro

OK, hold up. The 99-04 Stangs respond pretty good to mods. Stock they are low 14's (5 speed of course). 4.30 gears, tires, and underdrives put them in the high/mid 13's easily My buddy has Cams, 4.30 gears, Nittos, smog delete and full optioned car and runs 8.4's in the 1/8th and its got more in it cause it spins the Nittos pretty badly.

The 2005 Mustang is the Three-valve motor. With a reflash and exhaust, they had one run a 12.77 in Hot Rod about a year ago. The '05's are pretty potent but arep igs and ugly IMO.

redcamaro1989

it was an auto

fly89gta

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Your butt dyno doesn't mean much on the street or the strip.

You'd get smoked...BAD.

lilbowilson

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HA! those auto's are slow! I saw one run a 9.8 consitantly in a 1/8 mile

OH please! That proves how weak that motor is if it takes a 4.30 gear to run a high/mid 13's, those gears will make alot of cars spin badly. Try making those times with 3.55 gears or 3.73 then you can say they respond pretty good.

TBI92Camaro

The Mod motors love to rev and rev fast. They make peak power up top and work best with 4.10's or 4.30's. You can say they are weak all day but ocnsidering a three-valve GT ran 12's with just a reflash and exhaust, that says something.

Nitrous Al

I agree, your butt dyno is way off!!!

fly89gta

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Um, ok

I guess because my buddy is running 4:56's on his 400 hp motor it's somehow not strong?

Who the **** cares what gears you run. It's all about where the motor makes power. So 4.30 gears makes the motor perform the best...get over it.

urbanhunter44

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Yeah I see alot of high geared stangs, gets the motor in their powerband quicker.

I'm having trouble swallowing an '05 with exhaust and a tune ran a 12.7. What was the trap? What was the 60 ft? What were the tires? Was it all stock except for those two mods? What did it run prior (when it was stock)? Until I see some proof on that, the flag is coming up.

I've never even seen one break into the 13s at the strip, let alone 12s. I do believe that they could run a 13.7 though if the driver can drive.

How much do they weigh? Anyone know?

lilbowilson

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All I'm saying is that your buddy's car isn't that streetable with 4.30 gears. An if it takes those gears to run high/mid 13s then yes I would say that motor is weak. Now stock 87-92 Tpi's have ran those same times with exhaust upgrades, performance chips, and 3.23 gears its been done. I'm just talking about the 99-04 GT's now that 05 can run 13.5 in stock form and that computer really keeps it from performing there is a article on it at popular hotrodding website.

Well yeah if your buddy has to run those gears just to beat somebody then after he races he has to go to the gas station and fill his car up just to get 4 miles to the gallon!

I have a 400 hp engine and a 600hp engine I'm running 3.73 gears in my 400hp and stock 2.73 rear end in my 600hp nova that runs 10's BTW. I bet I can smoke you and your buddy! I'm so sick of everybody saying MY BUDDY THIS! MY BUDDY THAT! If you don't have anything to run worth mentioning then don't make a comment. If your friend wants to run drag gears and only drive it once in a blue moon then all power to him. Me I like a streetable car that I can drive everyday an still kick some a$$ doing it.

lilbowilson

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Opps double post

urbanhunter44

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that was one of the most retarded things I've seen posted yet...

"My car is better than yours because I don't have to use your sissy 4:56 gears!! I use 2.73s like a real man!!"

Please. Find something else to argue about, 'e-thug.'

fly89gta

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LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Where did MY car come into this? Also where did I say my buddy's car can beat yours?

Trying to compensate for a small dick e-thug?

So you're somehow better because you run 3.73's or whatever? Please...

The point I was trying to make is who cares what gears someone runs...their times are their times. It's not a hard concept to understand. Well for you it might be.

But since we brought my car into this...I will reach my goals the next time I hit the track. A solid 12 second daily driven car that's dead on reliable and still gets over 20MPG. That's MY goal. So you go on playing big tough internet race

Oh and for the record you won't beat his Camaro with you 400-ish hp car. Nova yes, other car no. His car is a track only car really...he doesn't drive it on the street on a daily basis.(He was running :gasp: 3.73's last year and wanted to try 4:56's and a trans brake) Different strokes for different strokes. I'd rather a car that I can drive everyday but hey that's just me. But 400hp is 400hp(or any other number) any way you slice it. Just different ways of doing it and putting it to the ground.

lilbowilson

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The only point I was trying to make was if it take 4.30 gears ( clearly a non streetable gear) to run high 13s than yes I say thats a weak motor. Now the old fox bodies could do that with 3.73 gears no problem. Have you ever drove a car with 4.30/4.56 gears around town? I have an it sucks big time! Why would you even bother run those gears in a car thats 260hp taking away all its streetablity just to run a high 13? Now thats retarded so thats my argument!

lilbowilson

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I wonder why????
BTW what are his track times? I think 400hp is awfully low for a track only car. Just my opinoin don't get upset. Also I would love to try your LS1 with my 327 I think it would be a good challenge.

fly89gta

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Before the gears, converter and th400 trans(he was running a 700r4 3.73's and a 3000-ish converter) was 11.7's.

Yeah it's not fast for a "track only" car but that's all he wanted. The motor is also built to handle a 150 shot so if he wanted to go faster he can just hit the button.

It's one of those things where if he wanted to go faster he could easily do so. I'm not even bragging about it or anything, I was just using it as an example. The car already has a stout motor on it running good times with 3.73's but shouldn't now be considered weak because of steeper gears.

25thmustang

They dont "need" those gears to go fast. My friend has bolt ons and goes 12.8s with an 02 GT on 3.27 gears. Another friend ran 12.3 @ 108 in his 05 GT with reflash, exhaust, gears, CAI, and tires.

All these people who "need" stuff, really in turn dont need anything, they just choose those parts. Everyone builds cars differently, so I say let them build them how they want...

lilbowilson

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Yeah those 05 mustangs are killer after a reflash I read a article showing it making over 300hp at the wheels with just some simple bolt ons!

lilbowilson

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Hey fly89gta

Have you bought that computer upgrade box for your LS1? That should put you in the 12's. Also don't they make 1.7 or 1.8 roller rockers for your engine? That would be a easy upgrade an give you 10-15 hp easy an about 30 or so with computer upgrade.

What kind of car is your friend running? Is it stripped completely? And what size motor?

stu

What was this thread even about? Is there going to be a race?

fly89gta

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Never heard of it. What is it?

urbanhunter44

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Neither have I

Maybe he was referring to having your computer programmed... or for some reason referring to the LT4KM??

fly89gta

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Already had it tuned since I ditched the rear O2's, AIR pump and EGR.

Anyway, enough about my car...this thread had nothing to do with it until Mr. "I run 3.73's because I'm a man" chimed in. j/k

lilbowilson

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I couldn't remember what it was called at the time, it called Crane Cams Powermax Power Tuner. I saw it used on HP TV an it actually did make that hp on the dyno. I don't know what the **** a LT4KM is.

Anyway the guy that started this thread ain't saying much so might as well talk about how slow your LS1 and your personal cheerleader's 25th Anniversary Edition is!
j/k

fly89gta

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I wouldn't use those pocket programmer things but that's just me.

Besides my tuning guy is like 15 minutes away.

lilbowilson

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Yeah they cost too much anyway.

urbanhunter44

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cheer leader lol. 4th genners just tend to stick together

plus your comments were retarded and i felt i needed to point this out to you, since you're obviously quite clueless yourself.

btw, handheld tuners are a waste of time and money. to properly tune one of these cars, you need a laptop, a cable, a good editing program (lt1_edit, ls1_edit, etc.) and some free time to learn about it.

The most i'd consider a handheld good for is setting fan temps and changing gear ratios in the computer. I wouldnt trust it to touch my spark/fuel/timing tables.

lilbowilson

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Still cheerleading. BTW he's a 5th gen not a 4th. Please go back to playing with your Pokemon an let us grown folk talk

phoenix305

i thought i would chime in on this. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT GEARS YOU HAVE! its about what gear puts you in the power band and keeps you there the longest. and tall gears can be streetable. You may have a 600 hp engine but its not going to be running its fastest on low or high gears. To tall or to short of a gear will make you run slower either way, you'll either run out of breath or you won't be keeping the car in its powerband. i totally understand running 2:73 for streetability but for going fast you need the right set of gears or you're just pissing on your own shoes.

rocluvr0013

You can run 4.10's or higher in a street car no problem its called overdrive... It all depends on the tranny and tire size why the he11 is everyone arguing about what kind of gears makes somebody a man or not? Thats idiotic...

Ive driven a 5 speed 5.0 with 5.something gears it was an ex roadcourse car and ridiculous for the street but 4.56 wouldnt have been too bad

Sidewayz28

go read 5.0 magazine and really see what a new mustang can do..

TBI92Camaro

On a Ford Mod motor, bare minimum is 4.10 gers and usually 4.30's, they scream with those gears. In my 89, I picked up .4 tenths in the 1/8th mile in my tired *** LX from 2.73's to 3.73's....i owuld have picked up more had I actually had a stronger motor but with 228k miles, it was needing to go to rest....with the new ocmbo, im sticking with the 3.73's and i i end up slapping a S/C or turbo on it later down the road, ill step down to 3.55's but other than that, i love 'em. 4.10's is too much for a 5.0 car IMO but for osme reaosn the AOD 5.0 guys love 'em.

25thmustang

I might be dumping my 3.73s for 4.10s, and my dads 91 runs 4.30 gears. Both cars have stock cams as well. I shift mine at 5600-5700, and my dads at 6100 but we plan to bump that up a little after an extender goes in!

You buy gears for where you finish the 1/4 mile. I like to be just after peak power to know you used the car to its fullest. 4.10s will help me out as the shift light isnt even on at the end of the track, when it should be!

cas0484

Last time I checked 4th gen was 1993-2002. So, yeah he is a 4th gen. But keeping with the original topic of this thread....an 02 Gt would slaughter your Lo3. So, as others have pointed out, your butt dyno has fooled you.

Sidewayz28

uh 93s were still fox bodies....they changed in 94

fly89gta

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He was talking about fbodies...

Sidewayz28

ah ok nevermind then

superGMman

I just read this all the posts here and they were ridiculous. Very intertaining. The insults were creative. "Cheerleader", and "trying to compensate for a small dick 'E-thug'" made me laugh pretty hard. Have a nice fuc*ing day.


Oh and yeah you would definitely get beat, but 94 up stangs are crap IMO, don't care what anyone says, 4.6 aint gonna cut it. Don't even bother with the "4.6 does this and 4.6 does that". Don't care, think they are crap cars.

CHeers.

rocluvr0013

FYI 94 and 95 were still pushrod 5.0's ...

my shop teacher in high school's wife had a 94 cobra 5.0...

it was ok my Z was better

87TPI350KID

An auto would abousolutely kill that L03. Those mustangs are right on part with stock L98s. As for saying that the new 4.6's don't have alot of guts, I agree, but you have to remember they are only 281 cubic inches, which lacks for tq big time, but it can scream past 7000 rpm. Since it has to rev so high to make power, thats why they like 4.30 gears, to get them in the power band faster. I've heard way too many newer mustangs with crank walk and spun bearings. I've seen 200k mile + 5.0 engines still trucking along, makes me wonder why they got rid of it.

Sidewayz28

thanks for that great post SUPER G MAN!

fly89gta

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I was thinking the same thing lol

superGMman

You know................ I do what I can.