pasky

The vin doesn't even tell you much, where its made, the engine it has, hard top, etc... It really can't tell you much. Im starting to think im arguing over a miniscule thing because I hurt your feelings of how imports are named.

I'd also love to see a layman squeeze a LT1 into a thirdgen. I see so many posts of people saying "Im sick of this swap, wanna buy the engine?"

stu

You're altering the argument, he's saying that he knows certain things about the car by looking at the trim designation, which is true, but you can tell the same thing by the VIN number, more actually (this is explained above). You are coming in asking about specific options that the VIN nor the trim designation will tell you. Z28 doesn't necessarily mean leather.

The whole reason we are having this discussion is because he is confused about numbering. He is saying that GS430 doesn't tell him anything about the car which is true, but neither does Lumina, so I'm not sure what he's trying to say really.

shawnc16

i understand both ways and pasky is tryin to say that gsc430 and gsc435 is much more confusing then cavalier and camaro, or z24 and z28. correct me if im wrong

pasky

Just forget it.

pasky

By George he has it!

91RSHawaii

this is pretty retarded. Pasky's making an issue over the seemingly pointlessness of the Japanese concept of car-naming... at the same time mistaking it for a VIN number, and comparing a car name to its suffix, ie. GS430 to Z28. The fact of the matter is, ok Japanese people like to add an extra few numbers after a GM manufacturer would i.e. compare L98 LB9 to say RB26DET, or SR20 DET..... but so what? who cares let em do what they want... Id still take my camaro over it anyway, no need to scoff or gloat over their purported ignorance due to their overly superfluous apporach to naming their cars... that's the way they like it, can't change it. Lexus probably will never have a non-numeric based car, just like BMW doesn't either. Hell they could be accused of copying BMW for that matter. From a personal standpoint, I feel Japanese cars only mimic others, and sometimes improve upon them, they are somewhat unoriginal, but then again everything becomes un-original at some point, take for example the GTO, looks like a Grand Am on steroids. (the Japanese had it going good, with their hondas and toyotas, their civics, corollas etc, were all new, original things, but i find it annoying when they create their own luxury car companies to mimic BMW and Mercedes, personally id take a 745i over a LS430, or a M3 over a IS300, and an 6 series over a G35 anyday). Imports are good for what they do, good fuel economy, decent performance, they feel more like toy cars to me, but are fun, and can be fearsome too, just depends on how much money you want to spend, also its a whole lot harder to work on an import than a domestic.... I don't hate em, I just like my Camaro a whole lot more.

stu

This reminds me of this porno I saw once. An innocent little girl (me) gets double teamed by these to mean looking guys (you) with handle bar mustaches.

pasky

Say what? Who the hell is mistaking a vin number? I wasn't even the one who brought it up. Why not read the entire post before you come on here with your holier than though, this is mediocre

stu

It's not a matter of copy catting, when you want a piece of a market, you make what the top people make, it's as simple as that.

Just out of curiousity, how many of you have ridden in any Lexus or Infinity? Not older ones, but the newer ones that compete with BMW and Mercedes? I guess they compete with Cadillac as well.

freestylzz

But what's the difference? Ya we may well understand the differences between the z24 & z28. I'm sure there's some guys over in Japan saying "z24 & z28 is much more confusing then gsc430 and gsc435. correct me if im wrong"

shawnc16

very good point but im not japanese so i couldnt answer that. I would have to say that it all has nothing to do with street racing at all.

pasky

There is a certain psychology to marketing. Certain things will stick out far better than others. Notice advertisement signs when your going down a road and the color they use, mostly bright, like black on yellow, or red on white. They stick out. If I were to use purple and orange you wouldn't remember it as well. The fact is, Z24, V-tec, Type-R, Zl1, Z06. They will all stick in your head, they are catchy and memorable.

freestylzz

Whoa That's deep man.....deep

freestylzz

Whoa That's deep man.....deep :hail:

shawnc16

IS IT OVER YET????

stu

Yes....but I think the issue is that the market they are trying to catch isn't interested in that. Let's take Cadillacs cars for instance....

pasky

:shrug:

Im through....I think I made my point and don't have anything else to add. Just don't take a liking to people twisting words around and throwing some in my mouth.

stu

]No, keep your eyes close, I'll tell you when to look.







I know this doesn't have anything to do with racing, but it sure is better than reading old stale threads that do.

stu

Yeah, I pretty much did that.

freestylzz

OOOooo....that's gotta hurt

shawnc16

so stu whats the chance of me racing you and winning? The 305 vs. the b18a

pasky

Wasn't necessarily both done by you. However you did misinterpret what I said.

stu

It depends. If my car was stock, I'm not sure, you'd probably win, it was pretty damn slow stock. As it was before the rings said "F OFF STU!" probably none. When I put another motor back in and drop the boost down to 10 psi, probably still none, but that's assuming that you are stock. Also, I only know about racing a mile above sea level where I have a distinct advantage over N/A cars that would give me a good run (or even beat me) at sea level. Are you stock?


P.S. I think you can look now.

shawnc16

basic bolt ons chip, shortie headers, 3.73 auburn posi, bmr lca's
minor bolt ons. the engine is stock is what im sayin.

stu

What do you run?

My best time was a 13.8 @ 106.86 mph with a 2.4 60' at over a mile above sea level. Are you anywhere near that?

shawnc16

im sure its down there now. i could get some low 14 passes. i had a 14.66 at 97 two years ago. but ive done a few mods since then and no traction at the strip kept me from givin it full throttle launches. So figure all that in and im guessin it wouldbe a damn good race.

shawnc16

im not sure if the 4 inch cowl counts as a performance item but im sure it keeps the engine temps a little cooler, that makes me feel terrible saying i havent done anything in correction a year. for it was last fall that i last was at the strip. im over in kuwait as im speaking for the army missing out on the winter months.

stu

Are you saying that if you had traction you'd be right around there? I think that my crappy tires (and driving) would make it a good race at sea level.

shawnc16

yeah. for some reason i can hook up really good on the street.

rx7speed

you do know engines are more efficient when they are hotter

pasky

I've heard both ends to that argument. I run mine some what hot. From what I gather its like this, you want your engine as cold as possible but you don't want it too cold as to interfere with it causing trouble with combustion. There was some sort of magazine where a guy was stating he got his best track times with the engine running at 145*. Dyno numbers were also provided. I wouldn't run that cold on a daily driver, mine actually sits at 211*. As far as the cowl, it removes engine bay heat, which means colder air, not necessarily the engine heat itself.

shawnc16

my engine seems to hang out in the 170-180 range all day long. Hell it seems to run just fine. i do laps at the strip and its seems to hate that.

rx7speed

it is kinda a double edge

the motor itself likes to run hot being it aids efficiency by not sucking heat fro mthe combustion proccess which creates pressure


but hot motor creates hotter engine bay which will reduce the density of air brought in to the motor

vwdave

I think you guys try to gangbang stu because he is a Honda owner, not because he is right or wrong.

LT1/T56 isnt a easy combo for people who dont know what they mean. Much like how a RB26DET makes no sense to you. The numbers on imports at least make some sort of sense.

Lexus SC300 for example. Sport Coupe, 300 is the trim level. (There is 300, 400, and 430 IIRC) Same with the ES (Economy Sedan,) LS (Luxury Sedan) etc etc etc.

BMW numbers are easy too. 3, 5, 6, and 7 series are what the cars are, the 25 and **** like that is the size of the engine in it. (Thats what they used to mean anyways.)

There is a old saying. Its hard to hear what other people are saying when your head is wedged up your ***.

rx7speed

your not the same vwdave on the aohell car chat are you?

vwdave

No. I do have aol, but its veeweedave. That bastard vwdave has my handle. I'm on a few other forums.

Why do you ask?

rx7speed

over at this chat room called car chat there is a vwdave

you should join some night and join us in picking on all the stupid import owners out there

vwdave

I've grown up on picking on import owners, I just like picking on stupid people now. More of a base to work with.

CHEVY_EATER

I used to go in there once in awhile. All kinds of kids with 1500hp Skylines! hahaha!!! I'm fiveltrdave on aol

rx7speed

how long ago?

I'm my87rx7sport

CHEVY_EATER

ohh..been awhile..probably months ago.