Kingtal0n

you should have SEEN the look on my face.

This little red car, a Nissan 240SX, with a tiny 2.0L turbo from japan, STOCK turbo mind you, absolutelly annihilated me in every aspect of my thirdgen. nothing special about it, original suspension, no modifications to the motor, nothing. Dusted me from 0-120, dusted me around corners, walked away from me during every highway run. I was running a stealthram, AFR195's, and 234/244 @ .050 lunati cam. this little 2.0 liter was stock.
WTF!!!!!!

So we are friends, now. I am trying to figure this one out. I figured hes lying or something right? Dyno day comes. HE IS MAKING 250RWHP. I am confused My car must be REALLY slow! We go to a little ***** convention meet one night. I am still convinced my car is slow as poop. I am angry. A guy there has a stock Lt-1 with a 150Shot camaro. they race. MY FRIEND with 250RWHP keeps up! doesnt win, but keeps up... I feel a little better.

Blu91Z28

Hey, to each his own! I honestly think you'll find more durability issues but that's your choice. My co-workers Eclipse GS-T made about 250WHP and ate tranny's every other week! I find it hard to believe that with twin turbos you had problems. I'd expect it wasn't a great combo. Too much compression, wrong cam, not enough boost, no intercooler, who knows? What exactly was your combination? The last Turbo'd 240SX I ran at the track ran a 14.2 @ 106. He was coming like gang busters at the top of the track but couldn't catch me. Are you racing this 240 from a dig or from a roll?

Kingtal0n

oh, we race from every conceivable situation. I always get the jump, and he always passes me. I know i was making some serious power there before my engine ate the dust (spun 3 bearings) because I was beating on supercharged mustangs and new vettes and all sorts of crap around here.

And I have fully investigated the situation with the SR20DET motor. I have met maybe 12-15 people here in miami alone with these motors, all making 250-450WHP on the stock motors, in various states of tune managment and turbo sizing, and none have a problem with the bottom end, surprisingly. I know of a head-gasket failure, but he was having bad tuning problems with the S-AFC, a sort of MAF translator device I will be steering clear of. I know of an issue with crank-walk after the 600WHP barrier, but i wont be going there. Tomei sells a stroking kit for the motor, woopdie doo you can make it a 2.2L which I think is funny as all hell. Oh yeah and most of these people are running 265-285 tires in the back, on stock transmissions, with 3-puck Mcleod clutches, and not breaking ANYTHING. I mean, its not like they make 400-500Ft.Lbs of torque, they just spin to 7200RPMS from the factory without issue, and at that RPM with the FACTORY gearings of 4.08 in the rear, you have such a narrow powerband for your horsepower to sit in (area under the curve I suppose) it just puts down some serious accel.

Blu91Z28

OK, I checked out your site and the combination looked alright. What kind of boost were you running when you raced?

ljnowell

Who cares what kind of boost he is running? Obviously he has problems with the car, so let him leave. I hate people that come on this site to bitch about thier car. Sell it and leave.

THEGENERAL

it takes knowledge to make your car go faster than the next guys so obviosly you cant just throw parts on a car and make it fast you have to make the parts match in one respect or another

hate to see ya go but bye bye ...obviously what we have to say wont change your mind

88 350 tpi formula

iTrader: (9)

I don't belive him. he just has no idea what do do under the hood or he is just making up some of this stuff. 250 hp 2600 lb car took you stealth ram afr 195 ect. ? no way not with a stock cam. he would need a couple dead cyls first

ShiftyCapone

iTrader: (7)

Any built small block with a twin turbo set-up should run 10's at the least. It sounds like you had some tuning or combo problems. Every mild TT small block that I have ever read about makes 600hp +. Sorry to hear you go but consulitng a biased source for your answers, you should have stuck with the f-bod.

ljnowell

Personally, I'm glad to see people leave like this, its one less person whining about changing spark plugs.

kretos

i gotta agree with this, i've never in my life seen a tt smallblock not hit 10's (unless seriously outta tune)

honestly you get more power and reliability outta the f bod, but oh well

Kingtal0n

heh, you guys are a joke. I am not selling the car, actually. I am sticking my old faithfull 383 blown motor into it when i get my 240 setup.

Im just sick of ONLY 20MPG and ONLY worrying about exhaust height and burned plug wires.

It will be a change of view for me for a bit. I am not abandoning my thirdgen forever, just want to experience something new. something lighter and smaller, and more fun to drive. I like manual transmissions, but the only 4 and 5 speeds I was ever able to try out, I blew up in my camaro.

these guys run stock 5-speeds all day long. I just want a more fun daily driver car, and my twin turbo camaro just wasnt fun anymore. I was under the hood every day. doesnt anyone have an open mind about trying new things? Beleive me, If i step on my dick with this Nissan idea, I'll let you know. Just like I let everyone know when I did stupid things 3 years ago when I built my first chevy motor. or when I ran my car without oil for 30 miles. that was stupid huh?

But I am not afraid to tell the thirdgen community all of my stupid mistakes. And trying to daily drive a twin turbo camaro was a stupid mistake. I am taking a break, so give me a break. It just eats me up that this light weight 2L pos was kicking me into the dirt AND he was having fun doing it.

Kingtal0n

And yes my camaro was probably in the 11's without tuning. but so was my friends 240SX! 360WHP can carry you deep into the 11's in a 240SX Nissan. they weigh 1000Lbs. less than our camaros!

ljnowell

Who is switching to the import scene?

Good! Go get one and leave our site. Did you really expect to not get an argument out of a post like yours? Sounds an awful lot like flame bait to me. I am almost ashamed to admit that I bit. Have a nice time with your import!

Kingtal0n

Okay, Ill admit. I did wrong here. Ill be a big man and admit to another mistake. It just, like i said before, eats me up.

I am not switching. Ill have my thirdgen running in a month or two again. But like i also said, I am opting for a new daily driver, the 240 Nissan. The camaro will be a weekend thing now, instead. Make sense ?

ljnowell

Makes total sense. I know a lot of people that drive "other" cars on the weekdays, and play in thier thirdgens on the weekends. It's just funny when people show up, and rip on a thirdgen here. A car is nothing more than metal and rubber. It can be as fast (or slow) as you can afford to make it.

pasky

jrg77

Man what narrowmindedness!!!

The guy makes some observations based on real experience and he's told to Leave ? WTF?

It sounds like with the high numercal gear and the manual 5 speed he had better gearing. Add to that he coudl rev higher and he could stay in his gears longer and keep the car in the powerband. Toss in less weight and a car built for this very purpose and you have a lethal combination.

Don't think he didn't spend some cash to come up with that JDM unit. And I am sure he had some teething problems to start as the specs are different enough that it isn't a basic 1-2-3 as the SBC crowd.

With a 6-speed, a numerically higher gear (say 3.70-ish) and as much spin as you can build into the engine you'd a got'em.

If I was comfortable getting an engine from overseas without seeing or hearing it I might have done the same thing.

That same story can be had on mid-'80s Carreras bought here stock. Figure about $20k and the guy next to you better be really good driving.

And folks wonder why I want to rev higher than 5500...

Jason

Kingtal0n

While I appreciate the defense, I deserved the commentary they had supplied at the time. I was a bit off-my-rocker, and you see, I did post a but more than you see here and now LOL. I basically said I bought a 240SX and I am going import screw V8's heh, But thats not the case, I am rebuilding the thirdgen, but first, I am picking up an SR20DET front clip From a place here in miami (after I hear it run) and sticking it into my 240. I have already watched one of these swaps take place, the motor drops in perfectly without any modifictions. It was done to another friends car in less than 1 day, that includes tranny and motor mind you.

jrg77

Thanks for clarifying, but man beware what hides under the purple cloak.

The whole reason I bought a Camaro was that I figured I could have as fast or faster a car as the EVO8 and STI (brand new and stock) for about $10k less.

I looked at 911s. Easily available for under $30k. Beware of the $8k DIY rebuild though.

An open mind makes all sorts of stuff possible. Even fixing a TT SBC that gets left by a 4-banger (would've paid money to see that...).

If I could check one out here in Chicagoland the 240SX might be considerable, but the docks are way too far away for the tentative market.

I was at Gingerman and saw some vintage racing. It was a trip to see a 2.4L carbed 911 LEAVING a few Boss 302s and Vettes.

Lightweight does wonders for all vehicle dynamics. The new Lotus Elise will scare a few people too.

Know what you want, and know why you want it. Once something comes along and challenges you why don't get mad, adjust and CONQUER