KCobain147

My ex's bf has a honda crx ...she told me he's planning to install a little giggle juice. I know stock i could rip it apart. I got a 305 tbi, open element, 2.5 cat back. Who you think would have the upper hand in a race? my camaro or the crx on juice?

Inwo

What year CRX? What engine?

KCobain147

i wanna say mid to late 90s...past that i dont know to be honest with ya

Mad-Mic

is it an HF or SI version?

25thmustang

Hmmm CRX might have this... only weighs what 2000 lbs... and we all know power:weight is a nice thing!

jocww

do it from a stop that way you have some chance. or say wat i always say you spray you lose but then hes gonna say why not race bring wat ya got

ddn69

Well stock those cars dont have much power. Maybe if you add a new engine with turbo and juice they can be quick. Find out what hes got done to it. Is it dry or wet juice? I think they stopped making crx's in 91 or 92 ish. So its deff. a pretty old car. Sadly Ill say I like the body style of the crx. I would settle for a crx with a turbo as a daily driver. One day I wanna have a crx turbo, and a chevelle ss for summer days. Eventually itll happen.

Nate

KCobain147

i guess he has two lil burners..one is a si, the other is a plain crx..he's runnin juice in the crx, which is early 90's..im supposed to find out more soon

ShiftyCapone

iTrader: (7)

You should hold your own from a stop but I am pretty sure you will get beat if he sprays from a roll. The LO3 really can't hang with anything past 35mph. Buddy of mine got beat barely by an older civic that only had a few bolt ons. I am sure with spray he will only increase his lead.

Marc 85Z28

iTrader: (3)

Regardless of what trim/engine he has, as long as its in decent tune and he runs at least a 50 shot you're done. In fact, it won't be pretty at all after you get through first gear

91gta_tpi

Well, if the crx is stock and is on juice, then go ahead and race him and by the time he sprays you will already have put probably 10 car lengths on him, and unless he has a super shot, then there is no way he will catch you, but if he has anything at all done to that pos, then you may have a little bit of a challenge on your hands.

PHAT89TA

what mods do u have KCobain147? My beater car is a completly stock 2 door 95 civic ex 5 speed and i was suprise how quick these car are. Easily a mid to low 15 sec car with a good driver. Find out the mods the crx has cuz these suckers can be quick. My friend has 95 hatch with a gsr swap and 5 speed and he runs 13.9. Only mods i know he has on was a vtec controller, headers and exaust.

KCobain147

update: 1) 1988 Honda CRX with a 1.6 engine 2) 1993 Honda SI with some motor made in japan was all she could come up with. i guess the guy ordered a new motor for it. Unfortunately i dont know what exactly it is

hydric

im saying if u race him, dont bet anything =]

whoa

whats up. If he has a JDM Engine, you are screwed. Depending on what it is, he'll even have 160bhp, up to 220bhp

and from what i understand, stock iroc's only have around 200-230bhp right? Well his car weighs about half as much of yours.

and lets pray he doesn't have any mods, or that he sprays, it will be embarrasing.

KCobain147

i never said i had a roc..305 tbi, not tpi

FbodTrek

Either go buy a bottle for yourself, or lose about 300 lbs. Losing that much weight in street trim is probably difficult though..... Take out your back seat, spare tire/jack, AC compressor, passenger seat, I don't think that will net you even 200 lbs though..... If you want to win, you need to come up with about 500 bucks for a bottle.....And don't forget, If you do get a bottle, race him for hood ornaments......

ramair92rs

i just don't see this being a problem unless he runs something like a 75 shot O' juice. when i first got my car i used to pick on one around here he had two nicely primered doors and a shiny coffee can other then that i don't know but he was never a problem and i was stock. i say you pull out the win

91gta_tpi

Hey, PHAT89TA, what do u mean header(s), I know where you can put the first one, but where in the name of *** are u gonna put the second one at? Just wondering......

PHAT89TA

typo. Good looking out 91gta_tpi

rx7speed

not for sure on this but don't think the CRX had a 1.6L motor at the time

so I am thinking maybe the b16a
160 hp motor there

puts it around 12lbs/hp which puts it better then what a stock l98 would be

160hp might seem like a laughing matter but when in only 1900-2100lbs I think it is a good start

with a 50 shot you are around 9.5
thats better then LS1 power to weight ratio if I remember right



ramair92rs
you might have been able to pick on some but I really don't think it would be 75shot to do much to win
hell going from the stock 110hp motor to a 160hp motor with no other mods can bring the car into the 13 second range

the F-body is a PIG compared to these cars

ShiftyCapone

iTrader: (7)

Yea but the L98 has the better hp/weight ratio throughout the whole powerband. It is a lot flatter to the spiky 4 banger. The little engine that could may have it at the peak of its curve but not at ever other rpm. Plus the L98 torque per wiehgt ratio dominates over the crx and thats what really determins whose faster. But your point is well understood. A stock LS1 is around 10lbs per hp. Give or take a few depending on options and mods.

KCobain147

helllooooo neone listening?..i dont have an l98, i have an lo3

posbird87

im listening and from a stop you should have him if hes stock and only running a small shot of the juice. if he has a better engine your screwed, dont try from a roll either way.

and about the if you spray you lose comment... seriously, thats just ignorant. think about what your saying... utilizing cheap, easy horsepower is not dumb. if the winner sprayed you think he cares that you think hes cheating? he built his engine smarter then you did... otherwise youd be the winner

GTA-SPD

That CRX on juice will own you. Even if you run him from a stop. You'll get the jump on him but when those cars get up to like 3500 rpm they just keep pulling clear up to about 65 or 7000. In 88 they did come with the 1.6 (that was the SI), and they are pretty peppy. If he can get it through the gears effectively, you don't stand a chance, sorry to say. I worked at an import J/Y for like 8 years and the Honda's, Toyota's and Nissans are suprizingly quick.

IROCThe5.7L

Spry2Ply!!!


Give him a nice 100 shot with the lo3!

KCobain147

hey man whats up?..thats fine with me i fyou wanna stop over with a kit and install it for me, cuz im too poor, and dont know how..o yea and if i blow my engine, wanna gimme ur iroc?..that'd be cool too

ShiftyCapone

iTrader: (7)

Ha thats pretty funny. Anyways I knew you had an LO3 but I was trying to answer some other questions. When are you going to run this guy. You could do the simple things like an open air element and add some base timing to help you out a bit. Every bit counts. And if you do lose, so what. He will think he has a v8 beater and will pick on the wrong car someday. Just remind him how weak your car is and how he barely beat you. That is if he does

Speedgraphic

RUN HIM ANYWAY!

If he is shooting giggle juice in that thing and running a lot he's probably already smoking... Don't bet anything, and run from a stop. He could easily blow a shift, or break something. After all he's asking a for a lot from a small motor. A lil ole drag race isn't going to affect the life expectancy of your LO3 but with the juice it will take it's toll on him.

You might win or you might not either way make him work for it.

KCobain147

Good call good call, i am runnin the open element, plus exhaust cat back. The thing im thinkin is hopefully i'm gonna pick up another thirdgen this summer, and turn the rs into a sleeper, so if i do lose i can just say hey lets run again and smoke him

mw66nova

iTrader: (13)

don't mean to call you out man but i thought you had no money? how you gonna get another third gen?

FbodTrek

Or just pop hoods before you race. That stock CRX isn't going to be too much of a threat, UNLESS he has a different motor. Come on!, If I can beat a crx with my 2.8, you can do it with two more cylinders!!!

KCobain147

nova, right now im at college in fredonia, and for me at college in fredonia = poor. However, this summer, i come home and start working, and make money. therefore, with a down payment and small loan, its rather easy to pick up another car

MrDude_1

from a stop, you'll pull on him a lil, then he'll catch up... with nitrous, he'll win.


from a roll..... he'll just pull away.

CobraKiller

If you want my honest opinion on it all if you're asking if your american V8 can beat a stock CRX you need a new engine. That may be harsh but hey the truth hurts.

ramair92rs

this may be true rx7speed but , assuming he is just talkin some "smack" talk but still has the original 110hp motor and considering it is an 88 i doubt it has nuttin but pampered miles on it. so with a more then likely worn out engine, probably closer to 90hp or less, i still say the guy loses....... but then again anything possible....... i guess the best solution would be to race and find out for sure

IROCThe5.7L

"he's planning to install a little giggle juice."

Petes 84Z28

Don't underestimate the CRX...my cousin had one a few years ago that would run 14.2 on motor alone; 13.75 with a 75 shot that was overpowering the clutch. He's about 6'2" and 240 lbs as well...

KCobain147

Thanks joe..half the people on this board are so eager to make a smart *** comment they fail to read what the person said, so for all you slow people out there once again

yes cobrakiller, i did want your honest opinion, on the question i asked, not the one you made up, but hey "the truth hurts"..learn to read

early 90's crx, with nos and aftermarket jap engine, vs my 91 rs LO3 (once again, making it simple for people with reading troubles, thats a v8 with throttle body) w/open element, and cat back. THEY ARE BOTH NOT STOCK! i know that stock my car vs his i should easily win, but for like the 100th time, they arent. Please read whats going on before you make a smart *** remark on something totally different. Thanks

ramair92rs

if he "actually" did this to his car.... then you lose

KCobain147

im pretty sure he has, because my ex said his car is in pieces, and hasnt gotten a ride in it because there were no seats at the time

mw66nova

iTrader: (13)

race him for grins, then this summer when you get your job, put some serious power under the hood and race again, this time for money.

IROCThe5.7L

I know this has already been said, but id try to race him from light to light. You should pull good on him off the line. It's not like most street races go up to 80 mph anyway. Thats why torque rules for the street.


If you did have money for a nice 3" exhaust system, that would help out alot!

mastertrixter

okay, here's how ya win.

first off, launch at about 2500 rpm with the steering wheel cranked all the way towards the crx, ram him off the road, then laugh and yell, good luck spraying your way outta that one:lala:

rx7speed

the b16a if I remember right does have a fairly flat powerband
part of the joy of Vtec


and again torque per wieght ratio at the motor might be better but I still think with the gearing in a CRX it would put it around if not better then the L98 tq/lb

but also a b16a in stock form should be able to hit at least a low 14 maybe a high 13 in a CRX
just bolts on have been able to hit mid 13's or a tad better

and to the post right below by kcobain we know you don't have a l98
just comparing a b16a in a CRX to a L98

rx7speed

all in all though kcobain you haven't said what aftermarket jap motor

I assume he has a b16a
if that is the case with just the motor swap alone he would win against you

if he has a shot of nitrous even be it a 50 shot it would make the win all the better for him

only chance you might have is if he misses a shift or stalls the car out cause even up to 60 he would win against you

EASILY

only other chance
he doesn't have a B16a and really is running on the stock motor and doesn't have the juice

25THRSS

If he has a stock b16 swapped in he is probably a low 15 second car. With a few mods they can go mid 14's, but really can't go any faster without a power adder. Either way you lose as you are a high 15 second car at best. If he has the stock engine though you will win.

EDIT: As for the torque to weight ratio. Lets say the f body weighs 3500 pounds, which mine weighs 3,335, an L98 could have 345 tq. That puts it right around 10.1 pounds for every foot pound of tq. If the CRX weighs about 2,000 and has at best 110 tq he has about 18.1 pounds for every ft pounds of tq. Looks like the L98 has it there easily.

Speedgraphic

Torque is a wonderful thing if you can transfer it to the ground. Having a RWD Car gives KCobain an advantage if he has the suspension setup to launch with a minimum of spinning.

Over the years I have embarassed a couple of folks with more powerful engines b/c my car was better able to launch. By the time they quit spinning I've got a decisive lead.

When does the nitrous come on? At launch? or after he rolls?

I'd say what the hell. Run him anyway. He'll probably break the washing machine motor in the process somewhere anyway...

CobraKiller

Thought you said he had two CRX's? one being stock? How does this sound..why don't you stop talking about it and go race. And I was kinda eager to make a comment. But I don't take it back in any way

KCobain147

nope, never said he had 2 crx's, and once again, my car is in storage till april