D Stroy H8

By no means am I trying to be righteous or superior, but I must ask the question: Why do guys in "modded" econo-boxes try to race eight cylinder sports cars? I was on my way back to work, with everyones sandwhiches from Port of Subs (yummy) on a nice big straight 45mph road in town. As chance would have it I find myself cruising at 50ish next to this piece of horrible looking junk with ugly rims, a loud offensive exhaust and bad paint. Surely an inline 4 of sorts, very small car can't quite recall model. Well would'nt you know he punches it and his exhaust lets loose a 4 cylinder battle cry as he goes nowhere ... not one to ever pass up an opportunity to show these sorts where it's at I of course liberally apply the throttle and immediatley eat this guys car and promptly establish "comfortable distance" between his loud exhaust and my car. What was this dude thinking? Hehe, I gotta laugh when it happens, cause i must be missing out on the big secret that is "high performing p.o.s. atrocities" lol.

zedder 1 9 9 0

Unfortunately for me driving an unmodded 90 Iroc with an LB9 I have to be carefull which "econoboxes" I line up against. With Altimas pushing 250hp, WRX's with 240, and the soon to be released Neon SRT my measley 210hp won't cut it against alot of the newer cars. Since I can't afford to mod it right now I'll guess I'll have my fun in the family hauler. Its a 1996 Olds LSS with the supercharged 3.8. I just swapped the 3.8" pulley for the 3.4" pulley so the car should be in the 260hp range. Not bad for a family car. My Iroc is more of a cruiser anyway.

MdFormula350

some want to be cool and think their car is all mighty!!

87WS6

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Don't be so sure you can't take some of those cars man. Although your HP numbers are not very impressive, (neither are mine) you still have alot more torque then alot of those cars. I don't know about the WRX but those others you mentioned don't have near the torque. Especially not anything Honda. Honda always has less torque then they do HP. Horsepower is not everything. Think of it this way. HP is how fast you hit the wall. TQ is how far you take the wall with you. My point is the TQ makes up for the heavier body. Makes it run like a lighter car.

Although you and I only run a stock LB9 for now, theres alot of untapped potential there. Don't be discouraged at all. You can still take 85% or more of what comes at you from the line.

D Stroy H8

Maximas and WRX's are not econo-boxes. This dude was in something very lowly. A sephia or something along those lines... I respect turbo'd 4's and supercharged 6's and even n/a high compression sport compacts... but this was sad. His car was a lame piece of poo.

CrashStitches

Because some of these "high-powered V8 sports cars" of the 80's had anywhere from 145-170 hp, such as some 80's Mustangs and F-bods. Many of them are quite easily wiped by a Neon with an intake and exhaust. Be careful....you don't want to be the one losing to one of these "Modded Econoboxes".....

D Stroy H8

Like I said. Not trying to be superior with my L98.

I for one have a well rounded respect for performance autos in general. I would love to have a Civic hand my *** to me cause that means the fellow behind the wheel built it up the right way. I am even a subscriber to 'Turbo and Hi Tech Performance' as one must know thy enemy hehe... But I dont think I gave everyone a clear idea of this paticular "box". It was even lower on the scale than what we call 'ricers'... this car was bad news. In fact, it was pitiful... It would have benfited much better from a new maaco paint job and some decent hubcaps rather than the badly fitted & unpainted ground kit coupled with his loudmouth muffler. A stock metro might have been a good race for him. But he should stay away from every f-body he sees, cause my old 91 3.1 LHO firebird woulda whooped him as well. Alas, its a sad existence for these fools of the road.

Abel Kane

There is some kind of monstrosity around that it so ugly that it can make you sick. I think it is a Suzuki or Kia. It is new, has a clean, glittery silver paintjob...but it is designed...bizarrely. It halfway looks like a sissy suv...but it's tiny. It looks like it is 6 feet long and 7 feet tall. And it has tiny gold and silver rims and tiny tires. I have seen this car TOO many times. But once my uncle was in the car and he started making sounds of pain and disgust and flinching. I was like, "what??"...he was stunned and couldn't speak, but he pointed. I saw it again. ARRRRRGGGGGG!!!!!This guy has done little to this vehicle. It's ugly from the factory. The ugliest vehicle of all time, I call it.

LYV18F

ah, you're thinking of the suzuki aerio. definitely one of the top 10 ugliest cars ever

D Stroy H8

I believe he is thinking about the Aerio, yes. Man are those things funky looking. Kind of like a loaf of bread on skateboard wheels.

1991tealRSt-topGuy

yeah, i know what you mean D Stroy

i'll never forget the first time i drove a corvette
it had a 350 TPI and a 6 speed, can you say FAST!?
after that, i've driven everything from WRX's to honda civic's............these kids are on crack if they think they can keep up with a REAL sports car
i've even driven 305 TBI and TPI 3rd gens.............they have TORQUE, they move off the line when asked! a hyundai, heh, i'd put my foot to the floor with the pedal and the damn thing couldnt get out of its own way..................i'm serious, i guess maybe these "import kids" can't tell the difference, but i sure could

SSaudio

I have a whole group of import kids in my town. We all hang out together, and are friends. They all talk $hit about my car like they could beat it. But I allways tell them I won't waste my time racing them unless they pay for my gas. LOL. Then one day, a new guy shows up in town with a 1996 Ram Air TransAM with the LT1, and he wanted to race. I had dreaded this moment, for he will surely kick my a$$! We took off, and I stayed nose to nose with him till we hit about 100mph, then had to slow down cause we were on the main drag.


Needless to say, after that, the import kids with their honda's never asked to race again. LOL, just my thoughts on this

D Stroy H8

LOL yes! I had a call friend in my psych101 class last semester who had a decently quick AcuraGSR... he put in hi-comp pistons and some headwork, cold air intake, stock exhaust! Ran mid 14's. He told me in a conversation about altitude affects on performance that "thier cars" don't bog so badly in higher areas because they're so much more "technologically advanced"! I was like "LOL! Like I have some flathead inline V8 dinosaur! No computer, just good ol' internal combustion!" I told him I had to go get my boots cause the bull**** was getting unmanagable.

ChillPhatCat

Well... No... I was never honestly beaten by a "modded" neon in my LG4... granted my LG4 only tips the scales around 2980 lbs... I was never threatened by any import in that car... even with only about 160 Hp...

For those of you that haven't seen any of my latest posts... I've been chilling over at LS1.com for the last month... yep I joined the dark side... got me a 4th gen w/ 3.8L V6... I get 25+ MPG and it pushes 210-220 Hp... makes me when I drive it!

Vicious 88 GTA

its cool...V6's are alright especially if they are 3.8's or 4.3's Grand Nationals and Typhoons...oh yeah.....but hey....you 305 had potential but I guess you didn't wanna deal...AARON

85transamtpi

I used to think it was stupid when the boy racers in their econoboxes would try to start stuff with me when I was driving my '85 t/a.

When they try me in the '98 I am just puzzled. Most of the time I dont even play along. Just let the fart can take off (kinda) down the road ahead of me.

As a side note:
You guys with LB9's just need a few mods and you'll keep up with most cars on the street. I loved my '85...she ran high 14's in pretty much stock form.

-Doug

daytonadan

I was walkin to my first class of the semester this morning and some idiot in a Somata (however u spell it) with a noise maker starts reving at the light and staring down the group of 10 girls that walked by...and none of them even looked at him...it was rather humorous I guess its just the thing to do when you've got an exhaust as nice as that

Abel Kane

I've driven many cars...I mean alot...I've even owned alot. And I still cannot figure out this clown car crap. Why would you want your car to look like that? Put yourself in that place. Imagine that you are in one of these clown cars. Now imagine being seen getting out of one of them. How embarrassed would you be?


Guys, something occured to me a few days ago. These dimwits like to called muscle cars old fashioned. Cheap. Whatever. But think of it like this:
Restore a 1969 Chevrolet Camaro with a 350. Make it a stock restoration. Notice something? It's fast. 25 years from now, you can find a Civic and retore it stock. Notice something? It's NOT fast. It's extremely expensive to build up. Much more expensive than the Camaro. There's more TO build up especially since, by that time, the car would be in pieces...
Do you see my point?
There are quality Japanese cars. LOTS of them. But FAST is a different story. Why don't they drive these old carbed Japanese cars? Slow, they may be, though you can make them a little faster, but they are the cool Japanese cars, in my opinion. Subarus, Datsuns, Toyotas...an occasional Mazda...and...that's about it.

Oh, and that's "Sonata"...I think. I have to say, last week, a guy had a 4.3 Vortec with some nice (DESCENT) exhaust...IT SOUNDED GOOD...

Air_Adam

I still have no doubt about the car i got to drive a few months back.. think it was October. I was given a chance to take my friend's dad's Plum Crazy purple '70 HEMI Challenger (not original Hemi car, but it did have a 426 Hemi) with a 4 speed on it...

You guys have not lived untill you've piloted a Hemi car!!! it is INSANE!! I thought my '83 with its 350 was pretty quick (and still think it can hold its own) but i don't know of anything costing less than $150,000 that could touch this thing in a straight line race cuz it felt like the front end left the ground! (it did not, but it really felt like it).

And the rumble of this monster at idle.... oohhhh.....

*BTW, this pic is NOT of the car itself, but the car i drove looks exactly the same, with the exception of a Shaker hood scoop*

Schwantz

You guys just dont watch enough Fast and the Furious (Slow and the Stupid)

I like a few of the imports but they are few and far between. I do not like the sound they make and Im not to keen on all the stickers.

NastyEssCee

hey hey hey no knocking on the V6 cars ok...i drive a beretta...now i know its not fast but i can deffinately whoop on you LG4 guys..haha....its always fun....and for anyone thats wondering the GTA will be done by the TGO NATIONALs....preparing to win all comp

87WS6

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My mother used to drive one of those cars. She had the 383 Magnum in it. She had the 6 pack on it. It got like 4 miles to the gallon.

Abel Kane

Hard not to be a smug bastard in one of those things...
Just imagine you are at the light and someone-anyone is over in the other lane in a typical car. Maybe a daily driver sort. Or a 15 sec sports car. You've got to be thinking with a chuckle, "Man, I'm going to totally kill you..."

D Stroy H8

Word. My mom talks about how she used to drive one of the Buicks with a factroy 400+ cubic inch engine. She remebers fondly many incidents where she put some punk kid in his place at a light. She said that thing was scary.

86budgetSC

Well guys unfortuanitly I drive one of those econo boxes.It doesn't have a single mod done to it.A 91 cavalier with 2.2.And yes even though the thing is patheticly slow.(hits around 80mph in the 1/4)I still try and start races with faster cars.Like when I first got it I pulled up next to a new t/a.Which is one of my dream cars.I throw a few revs just to see if the guy will give me a show.He just looks at me and laughs.

And in no way am I stickin up for r i c e r s.I don't like them just as much as the next guy.You just got to look at it from both sides of the fence.And one day when my 67 is done.I can look at it from the other side of the fence with you guys.

karbonklone

imports arent the joke they used to be. while a lot of them drop all their ching in wheels, farttips and shopping cart spoilers some are seriously fast. know a kid with a neon r/t that has beaten a 97 z28 also now a kid with a 300z twin turbo that looks bone stock that took a 600cc ninja on an eigth mile, unfortunately i found this out a few weeks after he made light work of my iroc z (which has a 368cubed crate motor with about 4grand under the hood) the funny thing is that his buddy has an n/a 300z with the ground fx, wing and clear hood and youd definately think his is faster but a lot of people with fast cars have made the mistake of going after wolves in sheeps clothing.dont ge me wrong i think the whole honda movement is and eyesore, not to mention a pain in the *** on the highway.

CamarosRUS

i got a 1970 with a 454 big block and a 850 cfm holley double pumper. we build it up as a "highly modified" street car but it alsmost needs wheelie bars even though it looks dead street! when you get up in the 100mph+ range it just keeps going and pushing you back in your seat i would love to pull up next to some ***** in that so i know what you guys are talking about with the Hemi lifting off the ground!

paul_huryk

I think it comes down to busting ***** and trying to look cool for these people (not all are guys).

Sure there are fast imports, ones that ran in the 14's or better and are easy to mod (but not cheap) to run 12's or faster. You will notice that those cars have either V6 motors with turbos or a 4cylinder turbo. But we all know these cars ran at least 1x.xx from the factory, so they would be at least as fast (if not faster) if you ran into them on the street.

Now the idiots who buy the rotbox base models (like a civic or base integra) should get their heads checked. It takes so much to even equal the performance of their big brother performance cars that they could have bought a used Supra or 300ZX TT and moded it for the same $. OK, its fine to be different, but I can't believe the number of followers there are in throwing $ into a money pit like that.

Because of the way my car looks and sounds, I typically don't get many people who want to race - import or domestic. But if it was a plain-jane stock looking car, I'm sure every licer would want to run me. I did have a few jokers try to run me in european imports (BMWs and 911s) and they had their posteriors handed to them.

NastyEssCee

question for the above posters sig....how do you have a twelve second LG4 350!!!!!!...just wondering if it was a mistake...if not what the hell is it...is that the engine that came in a 83 Vette???

paul_huryk

Let me explain:

The car was originally an LG4 (305).

I swapped in a 350 out of a 1990 Vette with cam, heads, intake, exhaust and nitrous. The car still has the original carb, distributor, and OEM computer running the motor. So I officially named it a 350 LG4 - you can do those type of things in the USA.

Rob116

Like one of the posters said above, I will only race an "econo-box" if it seems like the driver actually wants to see what my car can do. Of course I'll race Hondas, but not '91 Cavaliers... unless they seem appreciative. It's kind of like me running against a supercharged (I assume, BIG hood, about 5 miles from the local track) 454 '70 Chevelle the other night. Fastest car that I've ever seen on the street, fat *** slicks, skinny's in front. Needless to say, he handed me my *** But it sure was fun, I smiled at the guy before we started, gave him the thumbs up, it was obviously a drag car, numbers on the glass and all.... I'm thinking probably 11's. He killed me bad, but he knew I wasn't being an ***, so he showed me what it could do!

TS b4c

I have a friend with a 96' or so Honda Civic Dx. This car came striped from the factory, doesn't even have power stearing. All he has is the base engine with all stainless header and exhuast and a 5 speed. with no other mods it is fast for a Honda. It can almost keep up with my 91 b4c (mid 14's). Its fun stuff to pull up next to a ***** and so them what their honda can't do (burns the tires through third).

Quick_Trans_Am

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I will say that a sport compact, built "right" is worth some respect. However what cracks me up are these kids with their "fast and the furious" mufflers and some wheels who think they can run a 10 second E.T. I just find it funny... I seem to see a lot of them around my area... kids who have mufflers or wheels or paint, but nothing to back it up.

My favorite one was an '87 sunbird, beat to s*it, rusted, the whole 9 yards sitting at a stoplight one day. Light turned green, and I heard that 4-banger whine... you guessed it... 6" muffler opening hanging off the back of this thing, and nothing else... I laughed so hard at that one. Oh, well, that's my story.

BadBowtie88

I know what you mean about the crappy **** rockets who think they are fast with mommy and daddy's money in their cars. But, don't discount the cars that are NOT ricers. I.E.- Toyota Supra, RX-7's, and I have seen a couple of Civic's run 13's(though not many). The fastest import I've seen on the street/track was a Supra. It came out one night for street racing and we(we being the V-8 crowd) had nothing to race it but a mustang on it's last leg running low 12's at best. The Supra absolutely destroyed this mustang. He was running 38psi of boost to this car and it sounded like a jet engine when it passed. It ran 11.65 at the track.:hail:

slayer2000

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I know there probably aren't too many mopar guys on this site but at the 2001 mopar nationals in columbus, two of the fastest street cars was a late 70's early 80's dodge fullsize pickup and a dodge caravan. The pickup looked like a typical work truck complete with the company name on its side. It pulled 11.54@114mph. The caravan was light blue with,so help me,wood paneling. It ran just slightly faster at 11.50@115mph If you saw one of these on the road it would never occur they were fast as hell. That seems to be the trend here in my area. Build a fast as hell beater or a clown car that couldn't hit 90 if you dropped it out of a plane.

D Stroy H8

Some of those Caravans came with factory turbo. Theres a big following of people who run them into the 12's easily...

trans87

I come from both sides of the spectrum, just check out the sig. Let me just tell you he wasn't racing you, he was trying to keep up :sillylol:

rx7speed

are you trying to tell me I can't tell the difference I am an import kid and all




but honestly guys a lot of the import crowd, THE REAL IMPORT CROWD, gets tired of the **** boys. you guys on this board should know by now I love imports, but if I see some **** boy driving down the road I will join in on the laugh just as much as you guys if not more. I don't see the point in doing what they do. they say that it is going to be built like a race car but it is slower then sh<x>it still?? or that it is a show car... but the thing is to gaudy to be for any show. that is ****. please don't confuse the **** boys with the import crowd.

a lot of ppl here are getting them mixed up all the time. oh it's **** it's an import, it must be slow.
have seen cars ranging from 9 second supras, an rx7 that took on a hyabusa in a freeway race, a stock looking civic through and through running 11's my good friends rx7 here that should be in the 11's some guys turbo DSM that I raced in the 12's, or some guys minivan running the 12's, also there is a miata on the stock block that was running 10's... yes stock block ... never been opened... heads,cam.. just add forced induction and the fuel to match. those cars aren't ****. thats the import crowd. tuners as they liked to be called.


please don't say just b/c it's an import it must be slow or **** cause there is a difference. and both you and I have this cancer in our ranks. you domestic guys have your neons, cavs, even camaros and mustangs that have been touched by the **** plague, so again it's not just us.


my idea on cars is it is "us vs them"
forget the "mustang vs camaro" the "domestic vs ****" import tuners and the domestic crowd needs to ge together and beat this r<x>ice trend down....

imports rule..... r<x>ice sux

rezinn

Ah don't get me started. If you live anywhere near a high school or more likely university, you'll see thousands of these horrible things. The car's we're talking about are the stock civic type with cut springs, and 6 inch exhaust, chicken wire in front, white icecream scoop bumper up front on a black/silver/other colored car, and a 25 inch chrome exhaust tip connected to their 1 inch muffler inlet.

They're not fast. They're not good looking. They're loud and annoying. They race everywhere and play music so loud that you can't even imagine how deaf they must be.

The newer imports like the subarus and maximas can be quick, but normally you get some idiot driving it that does nothing but take up two parking spaces and endanger everyone's lives on the road.

Lessk

LoL! I've never heard that before, thats really funny!

Yeah, we've got TONS of the ricers in this area, and I mean TONS, its like a plague. You see them going to other way, with their 18 sec cars with like a HUGE Acura decal symbol on the houd, or all the decals like VTEC, or more commonly, however incorrectly made V-Tec, when its bone stock and not a vtec.

With their huge and horrifyingly stupid fart pipes. Which make me cringe every time I hear one.

I work on cars all day, and I see those come into work all the time, all that money on exterior and interior, decals....and you pop the hood and moths fly out.....One guy that comes in is all riced out, and every time he brings it in it has no oil....I changed it once, and when I pulled the plug not a single drop of oil came out. Now I was amazed that it didn't lock up....BUT, I have yet to see it for months now...hehe, I think it finaly bit the dirt.

But I see a lot of those little turds....a guy that worked their (and got fired because he was cocky, typical) was a r!cer, but of all things to r!ce, he riced out a Dodge Colt! *DAH!* They have mitsubitchy motors, and got horrid reviews when they were new. He would always rev it way up and screetch A tire. Until he burnt up his clutch. He wanted to race me one day when we were leaving work, and I have a 89' Ford Bronco, full-size, 5.8L....Now, this baby is made for the dirt, not racing....but I smoked his butt so bad it was pathetic! Made me feel good someone wanted to race me in a bronco though, hehe.

rx7speed

those are the cars I am not fond of myself


only thing I was really working at in my last post was the whole import thing... where it seems imports = r<x>ice

stupid idiot behind the wheel not knowing what is going on = ****

and remember guys **** = stupid idiot behind the wheel of a domestic also

NewGuy00

This is why I hate driving in the winter. During the winter I look like the prototype ric-e burner. First let me tell you...I have a 2000 civic si (b16a2 engine), Im running skunk2 stage 1 cams, skunk2 cam gears, skunk2 ti retainers, civic type r valve springs, ctr pistons, aem cai, JDM 4-1 header, carsound hi-flow cat, and an aem exhaust w/ a custom 2.5' b-pipe. I also have a Apexi VAFC (vtec air fuel controller) to control my fuel inputs and I'm hondata chipped (8700 rev limiter). I am also running an 11.2 compression ration. Now I hit very high 13's at the track (13.8xx-13.9) but all winter long I look like the biggest r'ice bag because of my wheels. It is a must that I put my Michelin Arctic Alpin's on in the winter so i drive around looking like a pos civic w/ cut springs and stock steelies. This is almost irrelevant to the post but I had to spill my guts sorry