Vader

Not tech related, so I guess I'll have to delete it myself later.

In light of recent events, it may be wise to consider the possibility that a small part of the east coast was not the only target of today's terrorist attacks. Understanding the planning required to orchestrate such a series of events, you should realize that there may have been more attacks planned, and may yet be.

Without precipitating any panics, we should consider other possible precautions. Large municipalities that have open reservoirs for drinking water supplies are suceptible to a lone terrorist atttack with grave results. Bottled water and other such drinks might be a precaution. A little anthrax goes a long way, and I'm sure the authorities are aware of that.

Power generating and trasnmission stations are another strategic target, so stay away from them unless you want trouble. There are three nuclear generating stations within 100 miles of me, one within 20 miles, and security is very high there, both on the ground and in the air.

Another thing you can do to help is minimize your travel and consolidate trips. It will conserve fuel and provide less personal exposure. In many cases, the best thing we can do at this time is to stay out of the way and not be a burden to those who need to attend to other matters. Don't change your plans drastically, but plan a little smarter. We can't let these despicable bastards win by changing our way of life.

And shame on those who are "protecting their interests" by sharply increasing fuel costs, almost to the point of profiting by this disaster. The rise in fuel prices should only be temporary, and they'll get theirs in the end. In Illinois, the Attorney General is already investigating possible price gouging among fuel retailers, and promises legal action where appropriate. I hope other states and provinces follow suit. In the interim, we can tough it out if we're smart.

Our thoughts, prayers, and efforts should be with the victims of terrorism and their loved ones. I can't begin to imagine their pain.

Our thanks should go to our allies, many of whom send their condolences, and some who have contributed much more. I for one am proud to live so close to our Canadian brothers - I can't think of a better neighbor to have on our side in good times, and in times like this.

Our resolve should be to find the responsible parties, and make sure this kind of thing never happens again. I understand the feeling in many places that the United States is the great oppressor, along with its allies. I would hope that we can punctuate the message that violence hasn't changed our political process for 225 years, and it won't start today.

I'd gladly give up my ThirdGen for scrap and ride a Schwinn if I knew the steel would be used to make the device that would end the problem.

Just some random thoughts...

Engineboy

I hear ya man...we've witnessed a major tragedy today...history has been written.

As usual, wise words.



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Jester

Well said Vader.

poorboy8

I dont know man I might have a hard time giving up my thirdgen.......

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Matt87GTA

Exactly. (I posted my longer response on the other thread.)

lukerene

this is unspeakable,,
Us AUSSIES have told the U,S we will dig in,and help
i just rang the american embassy and offered my home and cars to stranded americans,,or canadians,,,i pray for these poor people ,and i aint religouse,,,its time like these we all stick together,,,steve in australia ,,82 Z/28 lukerene@optusnet.com.au

SgtSkip

Great words Vader. We train on this every day and still, many of our guys (Marines) still didn't get the big picture till yesterday. Many thanks to Lukerene. Every time I'm in your part of the world I run in to the same hospitality(sp?) and frindship everywherew I go in your country. Semper Fi.

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Tom Batts

amen

Vader

Steve,

We all know who our friends are... I apologize for the oversite. We also won't forget the date 9-11 any time soon.

elizabeth

I am afraid my sons will go to war, as my ex husband went to Vietnam. Like I lost so many of the boys I went to school with to war. My prayers to all who lost loved ones and my prayers to the people who will decide the direction our country will now undergo.

yellowiroc2

I feel rage, I feel hatred, I feel sorrow, I feel sympathy. Yesterday's victims will never be forgotten. May we stand together, not as individuals, but as a nation in defending our fellow brothers, our land, and the American flag. I only wish punishment upon the perpetrators, because I have strict confidence that the general feelings inside Americans is to make only those responsible suffer. We could easily level a 3rd-World country, but that would mean sinking to these heartless bastards level of punishing the innocent. This is what spawns the majority of my outrage... not one American deserved that devastating day September 11th, 2001.
May freedom prevail.

chevyboy07 91

Hey guys, this country will get through this b/c NOBODY(S) or nation(s) can bring America down. They will try and try, but the outcome will forever be the same. My M.O.S. in the Corps was Demolition, and I can tell you, if they wanna play....THEY WILL PAY
to all my fellow brotheres who have served and who are serving today....SEMPER FI and *** BLESS

Mark A Shields

A fellow thirdgen guy posted this quote on another board, but I doubt many will see it, it's kinda of freaky.

in the city of g o d (NYC.......big buildings.....looks like g o d built it) there will be a great thunder(the crash) Two brothers
Location: (the towers) torn apart by Chaos, while the fortress endures(4th plane doesnt make it to the white house, white house still stands), the great leader will succumb(we will give in)" "The THIRD WAR will begin when THE BIG CITY IS BURNING-Nostradamus 1654


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Amen brother.

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five7kid

iTrader: (14)

Yes, a 2nd "day of infamy". Only this time, the sleeping giant is (as of yet) unsure who it should strike.

I've often been flamed for my recommendations to exercise self-restraint, especially on the street racing forum. But, as Paul Harvey says, "Self government requires self discipline", and to that I'd add "Individual freedom requires individual responsibility". You can be sure that our freedoms will once again take a hit for the sake of our safety.

We like to think of ourselves as a righteous nation, and although our Constitution is perhaps the best document written in the last 500 years, we often don't live like righteous or moral people - especially when seen by other cultures. This is in no way intended to excuse the perps, but the Almighty has throughout history used the unrighteous to discipline the Chosen.

It's time to wake up and rally ourselves - not for our own selfish desires, but for the sake of what is right (and that may come down to giving up our toys).

(P.S.: On a lighter note, I filled up this morning for the same price that has been charged for the past two weeks, even though there was talk of price increases and gouging.)

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breathment

let us have faith in G o d and not Nostradamus. not that im saying he is wrong, im just saying G o d can do anything,


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Xenodrgn

Man, these f'ckers did it this time... they thought they could get away with this sh't... but they've outdone themselves... they went too far... ALREADY AMERICA IS UNITING AGAINST A COMMON CAUSE!!! LET US CONTINUE TO UNITE AND FIGHT FOR THIS COMMON CAUSE, TO MAKE THESE MOTHER F'CKERS PAY!!! If we don't do anything less than bomb the sh't out of those who are responsible, I will be ashamed to be an American, they must pay. I feel nothing but hate and rage towards those responsible... I can't help but think my father could have been a victim of this... he was on his way to Fort Hood, Texas on some military business, and he arrived at Newark airport just in time to witness this earth-shattering event. (for those of you interested, he said it was nothing but organized chaos, pandemonium... people on the Turnpike were pulled off the road watching this piece of blasphemy unfold) We can no longer forgive and forget, can no longer 'let it slide'...

My thoughts go to those who were lost, or who have felt this great loss...

To those responsible: we shall give our lost and loved ones an unpresidented moment of silence, the silence will follow the shower of bombs we drop on your a$$...

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Matt87GTA

Nostradamus was born on December 14, 1503 and died on July 1, 1566 so you figure it out.

Matt87GTA

I have to post my response from the other topic on this one as well.

Obviously we need to find out exactly who has done this and exterminate them. What we must also do is forget about politics because they will only hamper the waging of war and we most definately are at war here. The problem with our current foreign relations is that we allow far too many things like these terrorist attacks go without the proper response. We allow these inferior countries and groups to remain on the offensive. Your comments about their situation breed the lack of patriotism and unfounded sympathy for our enemy that has given us this inadequate set of foreign relations. This war did not start today - it merely escalated today. Do you think they care one bit about what happens to our civilians and families and children? Today is a perfect example of the level of their fanaticism. They do not think twice for even one second about killing tens of thousands of innocent people in an attempt to merely attract attention to their plight that none of those innocent civilians are responsible for. We, on the other hand, foolishly bend over backwards to avoid the death of even one innocent civilian.

If they dance in the streets with the news of American deaths, then they die with the rest. They have made their decision. They have chosen their fate.

If they want to include civilians in their attacks, than we must stop playing politics when we should be waging war. If Afghanistan wants to turn a blind eye towards this and keep protecting Bin Laden, than we should warn them about the consequences of their mistake in not turning him over and if they refuse to agree to our demands - remove their country, and them from the planet.... ALL OF THEM. This is the only message that will prove our resolve and our intolerance for these acts.

Obviously these terrorists do not think we can stop them. It is time we prove them wrong.

G0D Bless America.



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Mark A Shields

I think the quote was supposed to read 1554, as I checked some Nostradamus sites today, and he died in 1566.

blue91rs

I have never been in war.
I have never hurt anyone else.
I take advantage of america and my freedoms every day.
So many innocent people died that we cannot ignore this for another second.
I have already heard the liberal complaints:
"We can't awnser violence with violence, we can't teach our children that!"
Bull****e!
the only things animals like this understand is violence. they are years behind us in thier view of reality, and most americans don't understand that.
I can't believe people are calling radio stations and protesting a retalliation.
can they understand that in egpyt, palestine, jordan, iraq, sadi arabia, and afghanastan, they are actually celebrating?
these people are either veryyyyyy stupid, or very evil. I'll agree with both, and I have to say the world will be better off without them.

West Coast GTA Man

Very nicely said Vader. And some good advice.
Take care
Mike

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mcconahay37

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Terrorism is something that is totally irrational and out of touch with reality. The only thing a terrorist understands is terror and violence. A terrorist's logic is:

Produce rapid shocks of terror that will hurt the government, convince the military that resistance is useless, and win over the population, eventually leading to revolution.

You can see how illogical and unrealistic this thinking is. Utterly unrealistic goals. Therefore, the only real way to deal with a terrorist is to exterminate him. Liberals and anyone else opposing retaliation need to get in touch with reality. Of course, these are the same people that think electric cars should be mandatory even though the pollution from the new power plants and increased output would match or outweigh that of our current cars, so who knows what they're thinking.

As for Bin Laden and the Afghan government, they deserve retaliation. Even if Bin Laden is not responsible for this atrocious act, and all evidence so far points to him, he's already done enough to warrant his punishment with the embassy bombings in Africa, and the high probability that he was responsible for the USS Cole incident last year. The Afghan government actively promotes terrorism among the world by providing havens for terrorists. They are the only country left that still does this. Without Bin Laden being able to sit in his safe haven, this attack could not have happened. By protecting him, they show that they are our enemy, because Bin Laden long stated that he is at war with the United States. Their excuse is that if the turn him over, then the people will revolt, because they love him. This excuse does not help them. If the people of Afghanistan love Bin Laden, then they are our enemies also and must be dealt with. Afghanistan can no longer be allowed to provide refuge for terrorists that threaten the peace and saftety of the world. The terrorists made a huge mistake with this attack. Not only did they harden the United States against them, the world trade center housed businesses from over 60 different nations. Japan, Germany, Britain.... So, not only did they attack the US, they attacked all these nations, and the world is outraged. These animals will not go unpunished. Terrorism will no longer be tolerated. The people of the United States will have justice. The world will have justice.

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Vader

Mac,

Agreed. I'll bet all those Afghans who "love" bin Laden would have a different opinion if they felt secure enough to speak freely. Not even a majority of Germans agreed with Hitler, but were almost powerless to resist and wise enough to shut their mouths once it was too late. Not all Japanese agreed with Hirohito, but the forces in power would quickly punish dissenters. I'd bet that very few Iraqis actually agree with Hussein, but are afraid for their lives to speak against him.

That is the greatest difference between the Allied nations and these terrorist states. Our strength is in our open exchange of thoughts and ideas, even if they are not popular. Their claim to power is fear, oppression, and sequestering of the populus from new ideas and any true freedom. Our promise of freedom and justice for all is what they fear most, because they know their unpopular ideas would not stand in a society where people could speak against them in public and at the polls.

Of course the Afghan government is going to respond that way - the government was placed in power by bin Laden's factions and is understandably afraid of him.

Most intriguing is the offer from the Russian president to aid us in "any way". This probably means more than blood and bandages. They fought a protracted war against the Afghans in the 1980s and suffered a Viet Nam like withdrawal with no effective changes. They would probably like nothing more than to be able to march side-by-side with us from one end of the country to the other like a steamroller. We were offering criticism of their actions then, and now we may have a common enemy. Even the Chinese would likely stay the hell out of the way on that one. I think maybe it's time we sat down with the Russians over a glass of vodka in celebration, somewhere along the southern border of what was once Afghanistan.

Finish the job, back out, and let the Russians have it. The Afghans thought they had is bad and were oppressed by us before, how do you think they'll enjoy Russian rule for a few decades? The Poles and East Germans just loved it, too - probably about as much as most Afghans love bin Laden.

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SgtSkip

Pretty good idea Vader. I never thought of that. I was only concerned with the cost of occupation but why pay for it when the Russians are more than willing!

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slayer2000

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Most likely the afgan people would have been better off with soviet communism. At least the soveits would have taken care of the people better than the taliban. People need to understand that the taliban is a religous goverment, a theocray. as far as they're concerned if you don't follow their law(religous law, they don't enfore criminal law)then you are a sinner and must die. they don't build school's(after all, an ignorant poulation is easier to control. They don't build hospitals(Allah will take care of you) About all they do is tax their people to death and enforce religous law. the soviets would have at least fed the people. A theocray like the taliban doesn't have to have any logical reason why they do what they do. As far as they're concerned they are fighting against "the great satan" meaning anyone who disagrees with them. Our only recourse is to fight until they are all gone. just like ****roaches, you have to kill them all,otherwise what's the point. the afgan people support the taliban mostly because of fear and misinformation, just like any dictatorship throughout history. I believe like most people in the U.S. that something must be done. this terrorist bull**** has gone on long enough! they kill one of us we kill 10000 of them. they destroy 2 buildings we destroy 100 of theirs and so on until they get the message that we will not give in to fear. That we will fight and fight and fight until they give up or they are all dead and it doesn't matter to use which it is! Sorry to ramble like this but I'm so pissed off I could scream! I close by saying that if you want to begin helping people recover from this attack I would suggest everyone here donate what you can spare to the red cross. I gave $25.00. I no it's not much but every little bit helps. Stay cool guys, We'll get those murdering SOBS!!!

buddman91rs

how do you punish someone who isnt afraid to die??? you go to HIS house and murder HIS family and HIS friends till he can no longer stand it......killing them will only relieve them of pain...the afganistan gov. is on the run....they know we WILL kick the snot out of their country....bin laden has not been found and he has not claimed responsibility yet(his trademark) he knows hes gonna have his *** handed to him and be forced to eat it.....you **** with us we **** you up....

Christos

I don't trust our government to really do anything about this.

I hate to hear this, "NYC is so brave" BS. Nobody cares how brave they are. They lost lives, our nation lost lives. Our nation wants ACTION. We don't want our goverment to give us a ego boost, and praise, we want something done about this.

We need to re-establish our country as THE world power. We need to heartlessly destroy our enemies, and their supporters.

America has to forget this g0d BS, and this "we are a friendly country" BS, and kill some people. People are cheering in other countries?

Take out their governmental buildings, hell, take out preschools. I don't care. It would sure as hell wipe the smiles off of their faces, and make them lose support for their terrorists. How could people cheer in the streets when they are scared for their lives, and the lives of their children? How could people support terrorists when they have to fear for their lives for their countries, and their own involvements?

This is why you don't see the same people cheering in the streets when they launch an attack on another country besides ours. If they are seen cheering, what happens? Exactly what I say above. They get a taste of the same medicine. Nobody cheers when that many people die, and expect to not have retaliation over it, unless they are dealing with our weak country.

Im sure if we did attack, other countries would never look at America the same. We would be treated with respect, and not laughed at, as we rightfully are right now.

"What would America do" they laugh, If I was president, I would sure show them.

I hope this can be resolved somehow, and pity to the country who might be supporting this terrorist attack on America. Hopefully we will fight with insane force, and no mercy. I wish our country would hang our original flag, with the snake, "Don't tread on me" again.

I have seen and taken enough from these third world countries who oppose us. We are wimps, and they know it. And we are going to prove it I fear. I really hope not though.

9/11 Will forever be remembered. My heart goes out to all of the victims families.



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JayZ28

I think in our desire to go kick some a$$ we should remember what the russians learned durng the eighties. Russian special ops got their butts kicked buy militia, - that we trained and finianced. Don't get me wrong I all for K.A.T.N. but these people are battle hardened troops fighting in there own back yard. Maybe we should turn Afgan into a nucleur wastezone and sit back and have a cold one.
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We will see action in due time. Its obvious the American people will not let Bush stand if he let this go. He wants another term in office. We can't act irrationaly. If we were to bomb a country w/o knowing they were involved. I mean knowing without a shadow of doubt, then we become them. We become what we despise so much. We would be the terrorists. There was a woman who ran a daycare for some of the parents in the WTC buildings. 6 children have not been picked up yet. I can not imagine what those little children are going through. It would make you wander if living is still worth it. As much as I THINK Afganistan was involved, and as much as I THINK we should use never before seen force on them, they have children over their also. Not the ones in the streets celebrating, but the ones in cribs who know no good or evil. Who can't speek for themselves. Those are the ones I would feel sympathy for if, and when we take action.



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breathment

dude... Thats funny as crap!!

and everyone go here its fun too!!
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88irocz28

I am proud to say that I belong to this board. A hear a lot of people talking common sense here and not making uninformed statements. Sadly the same can't be said of the people where I live now. I am originally from Pakistan (right next to Afghanistan). All everybody talks about is destroying the Middle East and any other Muslim country. But we are extremely misunderstood, thanks to the actions of people who don't deserve to live to see the light of another day. Our religion, Islam, is one of peace. One of it's most basic principles is tolerance. But these animals, who call themselves the true Muslims, have perverted our religion. They use it to advance their own causes. I never thought the day would when I would fear for my life in the USA just because of the color of my skin and the religion I was born into. Many thanks to Vader for explaining the issue at hand better than I could even think of doing. I hope the perpetrators of this heinous crime are dealt with brutally and swiftly. My heart goes out the families of the victims. Yes, many of them are also Pakistanis.

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sunbitz

I have to agree with 88irocz28.
And I for one have to disagree with the way "some" of the american people have treated immigrants from the middle east who reside here.

Every person from the middle east I have ever met or have come to know on a personal basis has been nothing but one of compasion and friendliness.

I most certainly do not agree with the things that unfolded on the 11th, but we need to focus on the people who performed this terrible act and not the people in general.

My view is to find everyone involved, round them up in a building and chain them to the building while it is being rigged with explosives.

Then implode the building and take out the trash via bulldozer and dump it in the sea without any memorial.

We claim to have military that can attack without warning, Find the enemy and capture that enemy without having to take additional innocent lives.
I'm aware this is a pipe dream of mine, but that's the way it should be handled in my opinion.

And the Nostradamus thing is completely bogus people. It's just something to install fear to those who are already in the mindset that the end is coming.

If you stop and think about it for a second.....what sense does it make to wipe out the world through nuclear or biological weapons.

As this proceeds just keep in mind that unless you are Native American Indian you too are from immigrant decendants, so treat your neighbors no matter what the color of their skin as your own flesh and blood.
Read your history and you'll find America was built by immigrants coming to a new land with new ideas and values. And those ideas and values is what we fight for today.

Peace.

Vader

And I for one am glad to have your kind of common sense on the board as well.

Christianity has its own versions of Osama bin Laden as well, except they wear fake smiles and polyester suits, and call themselves "Robertson" and "Falwell".

For anyone else who heard the interview with them on Friday, you'll want to bury them along with whosoever is responsible for the overt attack on our country. They may be more dangerous than the middle eastern terrorists...

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Mista

My thoughts......

88irocz28
Doesn't the Isalm religion view Jesus as a profet (sp!) the same as most view Nostradmaus. Sorry if I'm wrong here.

Everyone expected the third great war to be nuclear, guess what.....it's not.

Expect some years of hard times (recession/depression) which was coming on BEFORE the attacks.

I was raised with one simple idea by my father that saw racism in the 60's.

EVERYONE on this planet BLEEDS RED.

Therefore we are all equal. One's ideas against others make you a racist. Even I am a racist. I'm racist against those who call themselves racists. I do tolerate others beliefs even if I don't agree. But violence is not a religion and cannot be tolerated.

IMHO if Bin Laden is found to be the main person behind these attacks....no punishment would be enough. We could kill him, burn him, or throw him from 90 stories up and see if he could fly. Either way this "evil" must be dealt with.

I guess having a open minded father that was raised Catholic that sat me down to watch "The Man Who Saw Tomorrow" and talk about it, I now have somewhat open views.

"In the new century and nine months......."

Understand that together a difference can be made.

I'm proud to have my freedom and those who fought to get.


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Vader

Not to start any internal battles, but I feel it necessary to clear the record before the misinformation goes on any further.

I have received numerous emails and web links giving as example a supposed quote from the sixteenth century "prophet", Nostradamus. In checking the text of his writings, nothing in his predictions and poetic musings ever mentioned anything like what is being quoted - not even close. The supposed quotes that are being circulated are a complete fabrication, with about as much historical validity as some of the fortune cookie phrases attributed to Confucious.

"Confucious say, you'll buy a new red car." Yeah, I'm believing that...

Even if it WERE true, what difference would it make? WE write the history, not some long since dead poet. How we react to what is happend is far more important than whether or not someone predicted it would. What I find very interesting is that among all the supposed quotes from prophets, none of the stories continues on through to what would be the resolution.

It annoys the Hell out of me that someone would fabricate this crap in an effort to draw attention to him or herself.

These people are no better than Jerry Falwell saying on Thursday that the attack against America is the fault of the ACLU, the gays, the liberals, abortionists, and apparently anyone who doesn't agree with his ideas. That kind of belief is exactly what these terrorists are using to justify their actions, and remain in control. Jerry says that we deserved what we got. Pat Robertson agreed in public. We'll deal with them later. Hopefully, their brainwashed victims will finally see them for what they truly are.

Don't fall for this kind of diversion. We need to maintain our focus and resolve, and deal with our own cancers later.

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Justice and Freedom will Prevail

86TpiTransAm

That Nostradamus quote is a Hoax. PARTS of that quote are from different quatrains of Nostradamus but none of them are in the same quatrain and none of the quatrains specifically point to New York city or that this terrorist act will lead to WWIII. Here is a good website that explains the hoax and the REAL quatrains of Nostradamus.

http://www.dreamscape.com/morgana/91101.htm

G O D Bless America

[This message has been edited by 86TpiTransAm (edited September 15, 2001).]

sunbitz

Well, there comes a time when we have to turn a topic into a tech article in order for it to be valid for these boards in order for it to not be closed.

I'll make my contribution here.
On Tuesday Sept. 11th at 6:37am I was doing emergency repairs to our camaro when my girlfriend told me that a plane had crashed into the WTC. I stopped for a moment to view the news and went about my business to repair the car. shortly thereafter she came back out again saying another plane had crashed into the WTC. I then grabbed a radio and went about doing the repairs to the car while listening to the radio news.

What were YOU doing while all of this unfolded???

Please note: I'm not kidding about this! Was I the only one working on my camaro while this was unfolding?

Matt87GTA

PEOPLE!! It is fine and dandy to sit here and justify our feelings about what we should do and how the enemy will react, based on western ideology, but we cannot possibly, as civilized human beings, begin to see how the enemy thinks. These people are ages behind us in their idealogy and their ways of life. They do not understand or like our way of life and never will. The only thing they will understand is direct assualt and death upon themselves and their families (if it comes to women and children, then so be it....). I think the events of last week show how illogical and unrational these pukes are. We must not bind ourselves and our fighting forces (me for one) with the laws of our own land that these people do not follow. We will be tying one of our hands behind our backs in thinking this way. As the sole Super Power on this planet we are going to have to start acting like one. Squash the enemy at all costs. Period. "War is He11" and we are at war here. Wake up people. Get your a$$es down to your local recruiters office if you really care about your country (as I do). Otherwise, shut the Fck up and step aside.

Hooah.

abortedfetus

wait a second, i just gotta say one thing to vader, you wrote a peice up above about uniting with russia to steamroll afgan and then leave it for the russians to oppress, followed by a signurature (freedom will prevail) or something along those lines...just thought it was kinda funny...i dont think they need freedom, i think they need anhiliation, and anyone here whos (i hate to say this) christian, who dissagrees, re-read the old testament...genocide, and what is now referred to as a holocaust was common then when someone threatened your wellbeing. destroy america's enemies, all and utterly.

hail america!!!

GTA88

>> What were YOU doing while all of this unfolded???

I was on my way to work in my GTA, right after I had a new idler arm intalled that morning. I was happy. It was about 10:15 a.m. Eastern time. Then the radio station went dead for a while, then Peter Jennings came on, talking about a building falling down....



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Boham92RS

>> What were YOU doing while all of this unfolded???

I was running full speed down broadway desperately trying to avoid any of the debris from the collapsing tower 3 blocks behind me. Seriously, one of the scariest moments of my life.

90 Formula

This situation has the potential to get a whole lot worse before it gets better. We know that Iraq has chem/bio weapons; and they all hate us. By "they" I mean not necessarily the average Joe Citizen of a Mid East nation, but the extremists in those nations. Their sons, who are 3, or 5, or whatever, will also hate us. We will never know when it's over, if it ever is.

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Matt87GTA

Solution: Take them out - ALL of them.

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