Suspension and Chassis Questions about your suspension? Need chassis advice?

Time to sort out the infamous seven o'clock column

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 02-10-2014, 02:27 PM
  #1  
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
hotknight's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 8
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Car: 1990 Formula Firebird
Engine: 305 TPI
Transmission: 700R4
Time to sort out the infamous seven o'clock column

Well, foolishly I thought I'd be able to sort this out myself and made rather a large mess of my column. I'm now in need of a new one but haven't the slightest where to start. I just got off the phone with hawks and they said that while they have columns they can't guarantee that the one they send me won't have the same problem. I've searched and searched for an aftermarket new column but so far have been unsuccessful. So, how has everyone else who has a 90-92 with an air bag and tilt sorted this problem out?
Old 02-10-2014, 02:36 PM
  #2  
Senior Member

iTrader: (5)
 
MoJoe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Golden, CO
Posts: 887
Likes: 0
Received 11 Likes on 9 Posts
Car: 87 IROC
Engine: L31 350
Transmission: T56
Axle/Gears: 4.10 D44
Re: Time to sort out the infamous seven o'clock column

Um. What's the "infamous seven o'clock column" problem?

If it is the steering wheel not centered, that can be addressed at the tie rods.
Old 02-10-2014, 02:39 PM
  #3  
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
hotknight's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 8
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Car: 1990 Formula Firebird
Engine: 305 TPI
Transmission: 700R4
Re: Time to sort out the infamous seven o'clock column

It's when you put pressure on the wheel that the column shifts to the seven o'clock position
Old 02-10-2014, 02:57 PM
  #4  
Senior Member

iTrader: (5)
 
MoJoe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Golden, CO
Posts: 887
Likes: 0
Received 11 Likes on 9 Posts
Car: 87 IROC
Engine: L31 350
Transmission: T56
Axle/Gears: 4.10 D44
Re: Time to sort out the infamous seven o'clock column

I assume the steering column is tightly mounted to the dash and firewall. By process of elimination, that means the problem is the steering shaft is loose / not properly supported in the column housing.
Old 02-10-2014, 05:49 PM
  #5  
Junior Member
iTrader: (1)
 
krazeefewl's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Milwaukee, WI ; San Bernardino, CA
Posts: 63
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Car: 1991 Camaro RS
Engine: 305 will be LSX eventually
Transmission: T56
Axle/Gears: Borg Warner
Re: Time to sort out the infamous seven o'clock column

It's funny that you mention that. I haven't done any research on it because it never really bothered me, but I have the same problem. I didn't know that it was a common occurrence.
Old 02-10-2014, 06:02 PM
  #6  
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
hotknight's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 8
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Car: 1990 Formula Firebird
Engine: 305 TPI
Transmission: 700R4
Re: Time to sort out the infamous seven o'clock column

It's my understanding that it happens to all 90-92 f body cars. Something to do with how the redesigned the tilt to work with the new airbags.
Old 02-11-2014, 12:53 PM
  #7  
Supreme Member

iTrader: (11)
 
scooter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: NJ
Posts: 4,345
Received 298 Likes on 234 Posts
Car: 92 Firebird
Engine: 4.8 LR4
Transmission: T56
Axle/Gears: 3.45 9 Bolt
Re: Time to sort out the infamous seven o'clock column

Originally Posted by hotknight
It's when you put pressure on the wheel that the column shifts to the seven o'clock position
Pressure on the steering wheel? towards the firewall?
Old 02-11-2014, 01:55 PM
  #8  
Member

iTrader: (4)
 
driver101's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: edmonton alberta canada
Posts: 326
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Car: 91 rs,1 92 rs,92 b4c/1le
Engine: 5.0tbi,5.7 tune port/5.0tpi
Transmission: 5spdx2 and t56
Axle/Gears: 3.08,3.73,3.42
Re: Time to sort out the infamous seven o'clock column

I just got the parts to fix my b4c what happens is the piviot pin holes wear and allow the column to move
Old 02-11-2014, 07:03 PM
  #9  
Member

iTrader: (4)
 
driver101's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: edmonton alberta canada
Posts: 326
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Car: 91 rs,1 92 rs,92 b4c/1le
Engine: 5.0tbi,5.7 tune port/5.0tpi
Transmission: 5spdx2 and t56
Axle/Gears: 3.08,3.73,3.42
Re: Time to sort out the infamous seven o'clock column

the gm part number for the tilt housing is 26017468 its still a good part number mine should up
Old 02-11-2014, 07:56 PM
  #10  
Supreme Member

iTrader: (11)
 
scooter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: NJ
Posts: 4,345
Received 298 Likes on 234 Posts
Car: 92 Firebird
Engine: 4.8 LR4
Transmission: T56
Axle/Gears: 3.45 9 Bolt
Re: Time to sort out the infamous seven o'clock column

I just checked mine and it does this too, but it's not just to the 7 it's anyway down. It is because of the way the pins and the hooks are made for the tilt. I have recently taken apart one of these columns repeatedly for another reason. Any tilt column is going to do that.
Also I think the spring that pushes the column is not at the 12 o clock position and why it shifts to the 7 more naturally than to the 4 o clock
Old 02-11-2014, 07:58 PM
  #11  
Supreme Member

iTrader: (11)
 
scooter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: NJ
Posts: 4,345
Received 298 Likes on 234 Posts
Car: 92 Firebird
Engine: 4.8 LR4
Transmission: T56
Axle/Gears: 3.45 9 Bolt
Re: Time to sort out the infamous seven o'clock column

Originally Posted by driver101
I just got the parts to fix my b4c what happens is the piviot pin holes wear and allow the column to move
Unless you're moving the tilt every time you get in the car there is no reason for the pins to ever wear out.
Old 02-11-2014, 09:43 PM
  #12  
Member

iTrader: (4)
 
driver101's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: edmonton alberta canada
Posts: 326
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Car: 91 rs,1 92 rs,92 b4c/1le
Engine: 5.0tbi,5.7 tune port/5.0tpi
Transmission: 5spdx2 and t56
Axle/Gears: 3.08,3.73,3.42
Re: Time to sort out the infamous seven o'clock column

i would disargee i have 3 camaros and a column out of a forth and all are worn the same at the pivot pins i got lucky on the first two and found used columns but still disassembled the old ones and sure enough the pivot pins will almost fall out of the hole when i take the one apart from my b4c i will take pictures and clearly show the holes are ovaled out.
Old 02-13-2014, 09:16 AM
  #13  
Supreme Member

iTrader: (11)
 
scooter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: NJ
Posts: 4,345
Received 298 Likes on 234 Posts
Car: 92 Firebird
Engine: 4.8 LR4
Transmission: T56
Axle/Gears: 3.45 9 Bolt
Re: Time to sort out the infamous seven o'clock column

Originally Posted by driver101
i would disargee i have 3 camaros and a column out of a forth and all are worn the same at the pivot pins i got lucky on the first two and found used columns but still disassembled the old ones and sure enough the pivot pins will almost fall out of the hole when i take the one apart from my b4c i will take pictures and clearly show the holes are ovaled out.
That means someone was adjusting the column frequently. I have several columns and I recently took one apart to weld a new firewall flange on the end. I kept forgetting parts so I had it apart about 20 times. Came from a relatively high mile 4th gen. The pins were VERY tight despite me taking it apart repeatedly, yes I mean removing the pins over and over. It does this 7 o'clock as stated and the pins had little to no slop when I had the tension spring out. I have another one apart in the basement without pin wear and I had another one that I took apart and trashed because it had broke plastics. None of them had pin wear.

Last edited by scooter; 02-13-2014 at 07:07 PM.
Old 02-13-2014, 04:12 PM
  #14  
Member

iTrader: (4)
 
rickyzZ28's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: new phila, oh
Posts: 278
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Car: 1990 RS
Engine: LS1
Transmission: T56
Axle/Gears: 3.73 9 bolt
Re: Time to sort out the infamous seven o'clock column

Is this what you were trying to do? Tilt column fix?
Old 02-13-2014, 08:39 PM
  #15  
Senior Member

 
Lonnie P's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 580
Likes: 0
Received 66 Likes on 39 Posts
Car: 91 Formula
Engine: 2012 LS9
Transmission: 4L80E
Axle/Gears: Strange 60 3.54:1
Re: Time to sort out the infamous seven o'clock column

Pin wear also results from people pulling themselves in & out of the car by the steering wheel.
Old 02-15-2014, 10:18 AM
  #16  
Member

iTrader: (4)
 
driver101's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: edmonton alberta canada
Posts: 326
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Car: 91 rs,1 92 rs,92 b4c/1le
Engine: 5.0tbi,5.7 tune port/5.0tpi
Transmission: 5spdx2 and t56
Axle/Gears: 3.08,3.73,3.42
Re: Time to sort out the infamous seven o'clock column

will have pics up soon,when i took the column apart i could pull the pins out by hand and on the new housing i really had to hammer them in i have built alot of columns in my life as a tech for 15 years and these by far were the tightest fit as i said before if you have a 90-92 column that will pull down by the housing and it will fix the issue its expensive but works
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Out-Cast
Interior
4
03-22-2019 09:39 PM
Linson
Auto Detailing and Appearance
40
08-21-2015 02:12 PM
Pemberton76
Interior
4
08-15-2015 07:15 PM
Bull86
Electronics
3
08-10-2015 05:43 PM



Quick Reply: Time to sort out the infamous seven o'clock column



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:32 AM.