Guest

Im not interested in your club nor your help or your fathers. You can guarantee that. You people are not the only people around. You guys think you know everything but you only been doing this for barely seven years. I really dont care if you all feel I have marked my name. None of you are my friends anyways. So go on with your lifes and Good Luck with everything. You won't see me around. God will punish you all in time for not understanding and being Hate full. So have fun and try to do what you think is best. You people have no Class and never will know what Class is.

Guido

Did God tell you this? Do you know something we dont know?

Kevin91Z

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Not done digging yourself a hole, huh? Well here's a few more shovel fulls for you.

If we're not the only ones, then why is it when someone posts looking for help, they get 5 or 6 responses saying to talk to Don and Kevin?

Don has been a mechanic and building engines for longer than you and your friend have been alive.

God will punish us for what? Have you ever heard of "Thou shall not bear false witness against thy neighbor" ?? You're guilty of that one more than anything.

Class? Having class means meeting the person you have a beef with and sitting down and discussing it like men. It doesnt mean posting trash on a public forum trying to get attention to yourself.

gsf-87IROC

It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.

-- Mark Twain

Red Devil

Boy, if you are soooo in the right, why not answer some questions and PROVE you are right instead of this childish crap you are pulling?

sickwitstick

i dont know all the details of what happen with the work but i have to agree with kevin is saying about class. if you have a problem with someone or what they did then you should talk to them about it and not make a post about it.

Imadude_134

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If Don and Kevin "Have no Class", how come they offered to meet up and discuss in person, yet Branden did not accept their offer... The other guy Ivan said he would do it, but why wont Branden? And like Red Devil says, why is Branden so afraid to answer questions? Guilty concience maybe?

Guido

Attention deficit.

Probably too busy looking for his bag of chips...

Guest

You people always have to have the last words. Im not answering your questions I don't have anything to say to you people anymore. Im taking further action instead. So just drop the subject. And No i don't plan to see Don about this. He has already made his statements so that is what he has to say.

Guido

No one is asking you questions knuckle head.

Why dont you go out back behind the shed and burn another one dope smoke

Red Devil

I did, he is referring to some easy questions I had posed earlier, he just can't answer them because he would look even more foolish than he already does. They are near the bottom of the last thread. Along the lines of... Did he hire Don to build or consult. Did Don build what he requested with the parts he requested and/or provided Don. What did Don do that he did not specify him to do? It's really rather simple, much like many of those who lean to the left, he has to find someone else to blame rather than take personal responsibility for the choices and decisions he made.

Why should we drop the subject when YOU came and made a NEW thread after the last one was locked?!? If you wanted it to end, you should have let it end there, rather, you decided to start up a whole new 'GIMMIE ATTENTION' thread to try and stir the pot.

Probably hoping against hope that SOMEONE would take your side. Don't see anyone yet, let us know if you can scrounge one of your friends to come in here and lie with you. As I said before, if you don't answer the simple questions and keep stirring the pot, you are just flat out lying and trying to assasinate an innocent person's character. That shows no character and no moral standard... not that I'm surprised at this point.

400Z28Racer

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I actually sent PM to Don and Kevin to meet up, and I think it is a wise choice.
later, Ivan

Imadude_134

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And that shows that you have class. You, Don, and Kevin are going to do the gentlemanly thing and talk it over like civilized people (at least I sure hope so)... You are no longer pointing fingers and blowing smoke.

I hope it all gets worked out for all parties involved (or somehow related to the issue)

400Z28Racer

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Thanks, and i hope it will be resolved.

Guest

Oh Ivan talked to Don? You people need to find something to do. I don't have a problem meeting Don or Kevin. And to answer your question yes Don is always involved with parts you buy, He let's you know what you need. Some people just start ordering parts and there not even a match combo.
It really does not matter if Don has worked on cars since the 50's He is not ASE certified. I really don't know what's the use to talk with Don. He is not speaking for himself you people are. He made a joke comment and that was it. Don is not a professional no matter what I said he did in public. Those are the wrong actions and stupid comments he made. Atleast pull it together.

You people really don't understand we have already been over this a year or two ago and Don didnt do anything. He said the same thing.

I just started this new thread to let them know for sure that I don't need them for further help with my car, my car is finished and the problem I have will be resolved in court. That's it there is nothing else to this.

Im not begging people to come into this thread for me. If everyone was against me then there is over 600 people that don't know anything about this issue. Your all probably buddys with Don or he has helped you people with things online. Or what you know of Don is oh he is the only shop that touches 3rdgen's. A 3rdgen is very simple to work on. A Monkey could probably do it. They been out long enough to understand. So it's not like oh Don has not mastered at everything. This is my personal experience and other people have had there experiences and some have said things on the board here regards to Don and some have not.

Ivan mentioned something about my car that he has known for a long time and this has been discussed with many members and it's no sense for them to say anything. So I gotta go I have a life, go work on your cars or something. Go burn so rubber do something with your self besides just talking over and over and try to put somebody down with my lack of spelling and grammar.

So Red Devil did I answer your question? Are you happy now?

Dyno Don

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Well here's my take on that, don't bother trying to retract any of your statements as I have made a copy of everything you have said.

fly89gta

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This guy just doesn't quit does he? Holy Christ.

Kevin, Don, obviously this guy is the smartest person here, I mean c'mon, the guy is a millionaire and has no budget yet resorts to buying USED parts.

Kids, pay attention...this is more proof that money(ahem, excuse me, FAMILY money) does NOT buy brains, class, intelligence, common sense, and tact.
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QFT. Then why didn't you work on the car yourself oh millionaire?

For the record I don't know Don, never even seen him post. He's never worked on my car considering I'm on the other side of the country. If the guy screwed up then burn him, however the way you "tried" to prove that he screwed something up was not only idiotic, it proved that you're clueless.

Good luck in court. Maybe we'll see you on Judge Judy. Man, that'd be the best episode ever.

APACHE JOHN

Just for the record the ASE test is open book. You know that right? I know plenty of idiots that are ASE certified that I wouldn't hire to change oil.

Imadude_134

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That's a scary thought...

1989GTATransAm

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"I actually sent PM to Don and Kevin to meet up, and I think it is a wise choice.
later, Ivan"

I think that would have been the wise choice before these two threads were started. I'm afraid it has gone way past that time. I sincerely doubt Don would agree to a meeting after all this.

I have considered Brandon to be a friend and I sincerely believe he has gotton some wrong advice from one or more persons. I truely believe this could have been worked out in a more dignified manner.

Guest

That really doent matter Don, you cant use it for much. But do what you gotta do. Id say the same thing if someone was taking me to court. It's not a fun feeling. it probably get's your Ego all high and mighty. So I don't know, Did you come up with this when I said I got everything I needed? There isnt much here. This is all old news Don. You built the engine and you have Now Kevin says a stock 350 tpi that pinged also? That's pretty bad Don. It's proven fact right there Don, you sold him a car that was not in good mechanical condition. Do you know he could have taken you to court for that? He could of gotton his money back and you probably be advised that he returns the car to you or fix the problem. Oh wait you probably sold it as is. As is can always turn around to always be a problem. And being a mechanic that's not so great. Why do you think he sold the car. We both where at your shop talking about the problem and we both know that you where not going to do anything about it. You say my car has 10.6 compression but I wouldnt even know that it may even have more. As you never gave me a build sheet. I also have seen a person car that you worked on having to write everything down because you don't have any software or abilty to state what you have done to these vehicles. And I know you don't want to meet as it's as to you probably a waste of your time because you never plan to help. This whole time you have known and you have not helped. So why was a meeting even brought up? That's why I said there is no meeting because I already know what your saying even before you speak it.
Most of you have talked about a lot of none sense. It really doesnt mean much at all. It's just a bunch of people talking trash. I didnt state my comment about the build you where entirely involved in since the first part was purchased. It is the problem you have ecountered that you built. Yes we went over things together you have always told me everything but you advised me only that you where going to use a thicker head gasket so the compression was not so High. That's all you have told me regards to that. You never said the car would ping, you never told me that you encountered the same problem with your Rs, I had to learn that one on my own.

Guest

Honestly Allen fact is this is the only place to talk about it to get it out in the open. My first post was not all that bad it's the other side that just made things worse. Don's first words should have been let's set something up and talk about this. But look at the comment he made. He already knew what this was going to turn into. Like I said I could have gotten some help with him helping to fix the problem together but that never happend. he got all pissed off because I held a private meeting. And there was nothing wrong with that. So nothing was never resolved. Just as now there is nothing getting resolved and in this situation there will never be. Unless further action is taken. It's just what you have to do sometimes. That's called facts of life.

I know you have been very great friend and I have nothing against you. And that's more like of course not. You have always been nice to me and tried to help with any problems.

Guest

Fly buying used parts really doesnt matter, everything was rebuilt and replaced. So your statement really makes no sense, it's just another attack that you know nothing about. There are thousands of people that buy used parts. Not everything is always used as aftermarket parts. This is a Gm build, You know how much money Gm put's into there builds? Well A lot of money. The Vortecs where a take off part by a Gm employee and they where in good condition, We where even able to use the valves there where in that good of condition. The piston where in good condition, Im not a millionare, my statement was to tell the truth that I needed money, ad If and I say If I was advised the car was going to majorly ping and Didnt have the money I would have borrowed it to be sure that it did not. As there was a statement as I was on a budget build. I mean I have already covered everything in this last thread.

fly89gta

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I'll ask again, if thirdgens are so easy to work on and that a trained monkey can work on them why didn't you do stuff yourself? Are you below a trained monkey?

Guest

Guest

Fly that is funny but it was a joke. Yes I know how to work on 3rdgens. Where would you like me to start?

I can install a Super Ram myself, I can install an transmission with some help, I can adjust valve lash. I can take the front end a part put in new ball joints. I can remove a tank and install a new fuel pump. So that means I can remove a rear end. I can install injectors. I can do a number of things. But what's so important about what I can do? I can remove transmissions from number of cars and install them back in but I can no longer do this any longer. I have done my own brake jobs. Im no pro with a 3rdgen and it's not like I can do everything but I do have friends that are always more than happy to help. Ivan has helped me install a transmission and a rear end. He has helped with a few other things also. Gene has taught me how to install a Super Ram and do the rockers and adjust the valves. I have also helped him with his Race car also. Can I build and engine No, can I help someone with a engine install yeah with pain pills as Im disabled and have a bad back injury so Im not able to do much stuff any more, that's why I get help. You be surprised how smart certain Monkeys can be. And if anybody knows about Monkeys here they will know that. Animals can be smarter than you think. So is there anything else you need to know?

How about yourself? What can you do with a 3rdgen. And if most of you people are all that why do you have a 3rdgen? There is nothing wrong with having a 3rdgen, same as people that may have a Pinto. My best race was with a Pinto I lost on the pass together but I beat it on a previous run with a Mustang. People think they can just be stupid as soon as you say you have money. Money isnt always all that. Money how ever can keep you living how ever. Anything else you need to know?

flrtin1

Branden you are all impressed with the views on this and the other thread.....well I think you are a little skewed in your opinion that you are being supported by the majority.......you my friend are the proverbial train wreck that people can't help but watch!

Mike Lucas

You are a total and complete loser, aren't you? You can do all of this work on thirdgens, but you still cant seem to muster the intellect to make a coherent, intelligent post. More wasted bandwidth here because you are stupid.

Please, for the love of god, put the violin down and go find a nice job at a gas station or something. Get a different hobby. Throwing pity parties for yourself and crying all day because you have a low I.Q. is only entertaining for so long.

Guest

cant post

Guest

Sob Sob Sob Im not looking for anything you SOB.

Guest

Sob Sob Sob shut up you Sob.

Guest

Sob Sob Sob Im not whining you idiot. What are you doing here anyways. Your *** just got off the train you freak!

flrtin1

Thank you......Merry Christmas to you also.

Bullydawg

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Hey, man, nothing against you, but take a few deep breaths, do what you need to do, but don't flame people you don't know. Its cool. Time will take its toll.

InsaneIROC

Hey rich boy you know what the problem is so go buy some new pistons and Shut The F*** Up already.

Mike Lucas

Sorry, but I have been on this train quite a while Sally.

Burnout91

He is kind of a cute lil' bastard.

Kevin91Z

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Which would you prefer? A man with 40+ years experience working on your car, or a man fresh out of college with an ASE degree learning how to be a mechanic by working on your car? An ASE certification is a buzzword some national chains have created to make you think their book-learned college kids are better than the other guys.

Say what??? I never said a stock TPI 350 would ping also. I said a stock 350 TPI has 9.7:1 compression, same as the engine that was in the 92 RS when it was sold to Jeremy. And now Eric owns it. I dont see either one of them here, so why bring it up? That engine has forged pistons! What do you mean its not in good mechanical condition?? Don drove it that way for I dunno how long as a daily driver and never once had a problem with it. Eric brought it back to me once after he bought it for me to tune it some more to help it pass smog. I did, and it passed. Perhaps its not Don's engine building but my tuning that sucks?

Please get it thru your head that Don built the engine YOU asked him to build. The 383 he had under the bench, with your Vortec heads. You tried to sell them to buy something else but you had no luck. Why do you think Don could have had more luck selling them? Don knows the same people on this board you do. If nobody wanted them at the time what was he supposed to do? Maybe you should have stuck with a 350 engine instead of buying the 383 and trying to pass it off to everyone as a 350? You didnt have the money at the time to either buy new heads or buy new pistons, how is that Don's fault? You told him to build it that way. I know he told you it was a used block with budget parts and the connecting rods werent set up for a larger cam than what you have. And that the pistons and heads would create a high compression ratio. There's no way he wouldnt tell you that. You just dont remember because now you're want to blame Don for your own problems.
I dont know anyone that wouldnt be happy with the power your car is making. My gosh man, you're making 380+ rwhp thru an automatic! That's more than any of us, including stick shift cars. I have an idea. Why dont you buy Don's Etec 200 heads and he'll buy a new set for his engine. They're Vortec style so they'll bolt to your intake, and they're aluminum so they'll take the extra compression.

Then again, why dont you just sell your car and buy a Prius? That'll make your wife happy, at least. Then you wont have to buy as much of George Bush's oil.

TA

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This went from:

Interesting, to
Entertaining, to
Silly, to
Sad, to
Truly pathetic

Now we have flames back and forth from people all across the country who are uninvolved and have never met. I'm all for freedom of speech, but this reflects badly on the board, the area club and everyone involved. It is now obvious that no possible positive results can come from continuing this discussion here. Lock this stupid thread. If Brandon insists on starting in again, ban him.

(isn't it nice to have my permission?)

TA

VincentZ28

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I don't know what the hell happen here but this BS needs to be settle soon. This Soap Opera should be over by Friday. Grown a$$ men needs to get it together and come to an agreement.

Remember this Branden, never let too many people touch your car. The one who builds it should be the last one to touch it. Unless he f@#ked up in the very beginning and the engine blew up in the first 3 days on the road.

Guest

Look I hate to keep posting myself I have written a bit much already. Look far as I have known about pinging is from Highschool. I didnt know what creates it untill I have learned here the pass couple years. My uncle had a 85 Toyota that would ping and I would ask him what creates it and he said the Gas. So that's all I knew.

Yes the other thread got real dirty. You seriously think that I want to take Don to court over this? It's really stupid to say Oh im not getting my way so Im going to take Don to court, honestly people started talking and that made the whole thing worse. I got a lilttle pissed off about it. That's why I was talking about you guys are acting like you have no class at all. It got so bad even on this new thread because I was upset and pissed off I said screw it if it's going to be this way and people don't like me because of this then I dont need to be involved in this club.

Then Ivan said Branden just don't post anymore your just making it worse.
I can understand about the rods all I knew was that they can only hold up with so much rpm. I never knew rods have to do with a size of cam. So is it just the clearance or is it both.

Honestly it was Myself and Don to hide that it was a 383ci. That's why I spent money on the crank.
Few years ago reason I was concerned also and held that meeting was because I was a lilttle concerned for other people. A lot of things where going on. It's not like we Bashed Don. We gave him all equal credit for what he knows.

This conversation has turned into where it's not healthy at all and it stresses people out. And it's not good to be here. Reason why I mentioned this also is that Ivan did not feel that it was right. It's been a long time and what ever conversation you may say we had I don't remember recalling talking about pinging. And I did not bring this up to bring out that Im and Idiot or something.

I really dont think your tuning sucks you have tuned my 350 and it was fine. It ran much better than before you touched it. There is other people running Iron heads with more compression than myself as what I heard so I don't really understand why when you floor my car that it makes no power and just pings. And I dont know why you didnt have any knock counts.

Vincent honestly not to many people have touched my car. Anything Gene did was help me tune the Dfi with a wide band, With the Dfi the car didnt ping as much. I cant remember if it did or not, but not much is probably it just dont know. So yes Don and Kevin have only touched the car. Who else has touched my car? It's been down so many times that there isnt anybody else to touch my car.

Kevin Im really not in a situation to buy heads right now. Just yesterday I had to pay over a 1,200 for my cat to have emergency surgeory. If next year I have the money then will see.

So from your response now I really respect that and we have had time to clear our heads.

So let's just for get it it's the Holiday season and will talk about it next year or something in person that is much better and healthy. Maybe it will help my memory some and maybe your father could be right and he mentioned that.

So hey it's up to you guys in the future if you want to help or not. Right now I really don't need help as I dont drive my car much anyways. And I would need to save up money to buy a set of E tec's or Afr's and probably would ask Gene if he could do the work to save me money Im sure he would do the work for a lilttle bit of money.

So no more Flaming people it's really not good for the club. There is a lot of knowledge here with this club and there is a lot of nice people and this just does not sound like us. So up to you guys if you just want to let it go then So be That.

Well Im tired and the last few days I have had a migrane. Recently I have not even thought about my car it just bugs me. I have taken it for some drives to let the oils flow and that's about it.

Happy Holidays And Happy New Years.

85irocz355tpi

Finally the bigger man. Not saying anything bad about anyone else here just noting the fact that he stepped up.

fly89gta

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EDIT: Nevermind.

Glad to see someone finally ate crow.

james_85Z28

Unlimited budget for a build...LOL. If that was really true then why use a used CAST crank, used $100 cam, and factory heads. I can't believe you can say that or type that with a straight face. Branden was a tool, is a tool, and always will be a tool. And being a transmission shop lackey is a big stretch for saying you are in the automotive industry....LOL.

Guest

James your lucky you know that. Mike had to help you get your ***** to drop, because when I first met you, you where just a Kid.
Actually James there was an article that a zz4 cam was one of a pick of the best cams for a 383. And I picked up the heads when I was working and most my pay was going to fix two transmissions in 2 Iroc's. Don suggested the Vortecs and so I picked up a set. The Iron crank I know may not be nothing special but I knew it worked for the power I figured I make. Of course I know I cant put a 200 shot of Nos on it. And Don already knew about one other car that ran 12's in the 1/4 with I believe had Vortec's. As you spent thousands of dollars on your combo, probably more than me then why didnt you dyno 389rwhp? Since you think my combo is so cheap? And why did you sell your car since you had the record holding car? Did you get moved up in your field of work? And wanted something better or faster? I see now in your sig you have a Vette now? What do you mean Im a tool? Im a human James. There was nothing wrong with working in a transmission field. Being young most people dont get the opportunity to just do that. So when your car needs a transmission you think that part of industry doesnt know about vehicles or what?

Dyno Don

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Ok, that's enough guys.
The old saying "Prudence is the better part of Valore" or something like that.

Just let the healing begin.

JERRYWHO

O.K. now after reading 45 posts in this thread I'am going to tell you just what i think ...... Is it time go home from work now.... ..... you boys sure have fun.