PsychoGTA

I'm thinking about getting the BBS turbo system for my 92 GTA. My question is will I be able to pass the smog test. Will I get failed for the visual under the hood? Or will it put out smoke? Is it also possible to get a set-up for 600+ rwhp and still be smog legal? Are my goal's just a dream, unless if I move to another state? Oh ya is my car a Serpentine belt or v-belt.
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PsychoGTA:lala:

CustomX

my guess is no, since the tech willsee a huge turbo ontop of the valve cover and then ask for a carb number

8T8IROC

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I would say that you have a very difficult time with smog, but with the right connections I doubt it would be impossible.

Russ-So Cal

There are no turbo set ups for our cars that are smog legal except the Turbo Trans Am, and that is only for 1987. If you want a blower, Vortech & Ati Pro Charger are smog legal.

Kevin91Z

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Turbo Trans Am is 89, Russ.

You have a serpentine setup. That's 88 and newer, while the v-belt is 87 and older.

There used to be a Gale Banks turbo setup for thirdgens, but it is long since discontinued.

Russ-So Cal

Thanks fr the correction Kevin. I know the TTA is the twentieth anniversary addition. I just keep thinking it ought to be the 20th anniversary of the birth of the Firebird 67-87. Instead it is the 20th anniversary of the birth of the TA?

Kevin91Z

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The Trans Am wasnt available until 1969, thats why its off by 2 years.

1BADDAM

And they still scratch their head and say "did this car come like this ?"

Just had mine smogged Friday, the retest The week before it failed. Both smog techs. at the test only asked the same question a week apart.

PsychoGTA

Do you think I can get away with making a fake carb eo plate? Or do they write down the carb eo #'s to see if there right?
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PsychoGTA

Kevin91Z

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They have a big book of all the CARB EO numbers. If they doubt your mod, they will look it up. Again, it all comes down to how "smart" your smog tech is.

2_point8_boy

we look them up on C.A.R.B's website, we do that for all E.O. numbers, regarless of what it's on. I think most test only shops do that (at least they should), and since most of our cars are H.E.P. we can't get by with much. I order to get past the E.O. thing, you would have to make a custom setup, that includes all of the original emissions equipment that came on the vehicle and have it pass an official I/M 240 test at your local referee station, at that point, as long as everything looked good and it passed the sniffer, then you will receive a BAR label that links your car to a list of legal mods that were done to it. That list is downloaded to the analyser vid the VID everytime you get checked, that way the tech know that you are good to go.

PsychoGTA

Thanx for the info 2_point8_boy. Do you know where I can go to check where there is on by me? I'm gonna try going through a refree station, but first I'll do some research. Do you know where I can get some more info? Thanx a lot.
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PsychoGTA:lala:

Kevin91Z

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Your local referee station can be found at California's official smogcheck website at http://www.smogcheck.ca.gov/

Good luck getting anything that isnt 50-state legal passed them.

2_point8_boy

Right, they don't tend to pass anything that doesn't have an E.O. Number, but how do you think that companies get then. You can get a limited parts exemption done by them and not have to pay for the E.O. number. As long as everything that is original smog equipment came on the car, you usually can ge them to give it the OK, but it has to pass the I/M 240 test. It's a lot stricter test then the standard ASM that the state currently mandates, but it does give them a lot better idea of how the vehicles emissions really are. I'll see if I can get my car on the dyno today and run one so that you gus that have never seen one can take a look at the print out.

Mr.84TransAmer

How can they tell if a car has it's original smog equipment rather than, say, next year's model's smog equipment?

2_point8_boy

Various books that Smog Stations are required to have and the underhood emissions label. If the label is gone, then we look it up in the book. If the label doesn't match the application, then we consult the book. There are ways of figuring this stuff out that 90% of the people out there just don't understand.

Not targeting anyone here (most here know what's going on), but most people think that we simply stick the sniffer in the **** end of the car and run it, but the whole visual and functional thing is where we really find the problems, then people are pissed off because they pass emissions, but fail visually with a tampered emission system. Things are designed the way they are for a reason, not just because the engineers think it's fun, however sometimes, you wonder what kind of drugs they were on when they designed it.

PsychoGTA

Hey 2_point8_boy got one last question for you. Will I pass visual with a cut-out in front of my cat? Thanx
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PsychoGTA

Kevin91Z

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No, you wont pass with a cut out in front of the cat. Technically, you're not supposed to have a cut out at all, since I think we're required to run mufflers. More specifically, the exhaust is supposed to exit behind the rear wheels. I dont know about those cars with side pipes.

2_point8_boy

Right, a cut-out before the cat will get you a nice big TAMPERED on the top of the VIR.

In California, we can't fail you for having a cut-out BEHIND the cat, that's a thing for the highway patrol or local police force to bust you on, not us. Leagally, the exhaust either has to exit either out the side of the car before the rear axle(side pipes) or dump anywhere behind the rear axle, and all vehicles are required to have a muffler.

Mikos_89

2_point8_boy,


What's the difference between the ASM and the I/M 240 test?

I thought the current smog test procedure (here in Cali) performed on the dynonometer/roller was the I/M 240 test. No?

Is there an even stricter test than the one they're using now?

2_point8_boy

The ASM test currently performed takes a car up to a constant 15mph @ 50% load and then to a constant 25mph @ 25% load. The idea is to "simulate" acceleration, hence the ASM which stands for "Acceleration Simulation Mode."

The I/M240 test is what the EPA uses to certify a car. The test last 4 minutes(240 seconds) and takes the car through various loads and speeds all the way from 15 mph to 55 mph. This test measures acceleration as well as deceleration emissions and is even tougher than the ASM test that we have.

Many states, including NY (if i remember right) use the I/M240 test, but what usually gives our test the misconception of being so hard is the fact that we also do a visual inspection of all the vehicle's emission equipment (intake tract, vacuum hoses, exhaust, etc...). Most other states just have the dyno test and that's it.

Unfortunatly, the way things are looking right now, we actually might be starting the I/M240 testing here in about 5 years. There have already been reports published stating that even after the start of the ASM testing and the introduction of the "Test-Only" program, California's Air still does not meet Federal standards. 2005 is the next time that an official study will be done, but with these currently published reports, it's not looking good.

For us, this shouldn't be too bad, since our cars were never certified at the I/M240 standard, the initial limits will be REALLY high until they see what our average numbers are, then they will be adjusted accordingly. People with newer cars('96+) are the ones that are gonna have the hardest time...especially 90's Nissan, Deawoo, Kia, Hyundai and Saturn owners.