PsychoGTA

My bro asked me to post this. If any of you guys are looking for the new GTO's, my bro has one at the dealership he is working at. If any one is interested or want more info email him at SS4BPF@msn.com.
Peace Out,
PsychoGTA

DriftaGMCamaro

what kind of engine does it have?
oops nevermind
THE SPECS!!!!! awsome car:lala:

DriftaGMCamaro

Mikos_89

Have you driven it yet? If so, how does it compare performance-wise to the now defunct Ram Air T/A? Yeah I know, both have basically the same engine, but this is Pontiac's new flagship model now that the Firebird is dead.

IMO, I think Lutz dropped the ball on the bland styling though. I know the car is just a "midterm" replacement until a more suitable version can be built later. It is just basically a Holden Monaro, but they should've made the look more "aggressive" for the states. Things like hood scoop nostrils, a rear spoiler and maybe even a coke-bottle shape to the rocker panels like the original GTO? Not retro! Not tacky and goofy like the Aztec, but tasteful and classy like the old goat. Remember GM, this IS the new GTO.LOL!

However, I'll reserve judgement until I actually see one in person. Is your bro offering free test drives in the new GTO for F-body enthusiasts? I had to ask.LOL!

Agent13

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I heard it's going to be a 14 sec car.

Russ-So Cal

It should be slower than the Firebird w/ ram air because it has basically the same engine with irs which may eat a bit of hp over a solid axle, and the car is bigger than the f-body and so weighs about 500-750 lbs more.

Mikos_89

14's? Man, they gotta do better than that for the new GTO. Come on GM, the new Altima 3.5S, Maxima, Acura TL, and even the Integra Type S are doing 14's in the 1/4 nowadays. Jeez!

Oh well, at least it's RWD!

DriftaGMCamaro

foreal

ILMODC

Dood. I got a freggin email from my dealer, telling me to come on down and check it out. Went down (...was there servicing the GTP anyhow). Wont even let you start it up w/o a credit check. Only serious buyers, no dreamers. The sales guy said it was the same way with the C.E. TA's too. Geez.

I will say however:

I like the seats - the leather and new car smell is awesome!

Car actually seems kinda small in person. Trunk small due to gas tank relocation.

Sales dood says the exhaust note is great. I told him I though stock LS1's were way to soft. He agreed.

Nose closely resembles last gen's Grand Prix's (like my 2002).

It would be real cool to have a GTO, GTA and a GTP all at once though.........LOL....

PsychoGTA

I got to test drive the GTO a week ago. I love the car, though the performance isn't all there. Though You can feel the power it gots. And the engine is quiet not like the ls1 f-body, and the exhaust tone is better then the ls1 f-body and corvettes. But it's the first one, so there's always gonna be improvements on the car in the future. The interior was one of the things I liked the most. Another part that I like is that at first glance it doesnt look like a muscle car, like the f-bodies do. Which u can fool some people when u smoke them, but thats after a few mods. Cuz I dont think the stock 14 sec will cut it. Bottom line I wouldn't mind owning one, but I'll wait for the ram air GTO.
Peace Out,
PsychoGTA

gmendoza

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So it feels slower than an LS1 f-body?

KiLLJ0Y

i think you guys are a little off on the 14's, car and driver's test was mid high 13's

come on now, 14's with a 350hp LS1 and a 6 speed? whos driving?

BretD 88GTA

Just a taste of what may be coming down the road:

From SEMA:
GTO "Autocross": 400hp using LS6 engine upgrades. This car was pretty nice. Take note that it is also a 2-door. I know everyone is disappointed with the new GTO, but give it time. The first run of a new model is usually tame. By the 2nd or 3rd run I suspect the GTO will get "souped up". If they build it as too much of a hot rod off the bat it can limit it's sales. I'm sure GM would like to see a broad range of people buying these cars. Not just the gearheads. There was also a Grand Prix "Autocross" with a V8 on display. GM is very aware of the hi-performance crowd. They are teasing us, but they are aware.

Pablo

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That car looks gay, its slow, its new (hence a ripoff), its heavy, did I mention it looked gay?

I am against everything that car is about.

cali92RS

U think that looks gay, check out the SSR. It looks like a cross between an El Camino and the PT Cruiser.
Thats typical GM. They want the cars to appeal to everyone, and in doing so, they actually appeal to no one. Thats why the camaro and firebird were cool, GM knew who the market was, people with not a lot of money who want high performance.
This GTO only does 14's with an LS1, it weighs too much to be a great performer, and it costs too much for the average muscle car enthusiasts, and it only has 2 doors, so its impractical for family guys. Theres nothing it does well, except put a big *** hole in your wallet.
When are they gonna end this retro bull**** and bring back the camaro (and firebird if they have time).

Ken

BretD 88GTA

Oddly enough, that strategy seems to work for the Mustang. The Mustang has always been marketed as a "secretary's" car first, with a high performance version available for the hi-perf. crowd. The majority of Mustangs on the road seem to be the base model version, driven by sorority girls on their way to class.

The after market also highly favors the Mustang and there is a bevy of hi-po parts available that won't break your wallet. Unless you own a 1st or 2nd gen, that's not the case with the F-body.

That's also what killed the F-body. It was a single demographic car and by the time of 2002 model it cost $30k. Not exactly obtainable for the average 20 something hi performance car buyer. Those that could readily afford the price tag were more of the 30 to 40 something crowd and they had graduated to buying Corvettes.

cali92RS

Bret:
That is true that the narrow demographic is what killed the F-bodies. But why couldnt they continue with either the firebird or camaro, not both? It always seemed strange to me that u have 2 cars, that are basically the same, being sold to the same exact demographic. U have twice the amount of cars being offered, with the same amount of buyers.
I do agree that the late model 4th gens were ridicuosly priced. For the 30k price tag, u can fully restore a first gen, that will easily outperform the LS1's, and u dont even have to smog them. But at least they are not dogs like this new "GTO" (note the quoatation marks, i dont want to dishonor the original goats).

langss

I read in the L.A. Times that one of the many reasons for the end of the Camaro/Firebird, was the platform they were built on would have to be completely redesigned in order to meet the new crash test standards. Add the cost of that to all the other things that were against continuing to build a car that simply was not selling(there are still cars for sale back east) and the GTO such as it is, fills the hole that GM dug. Now if it does not do well they simply stop importing it.
As a side note I heard that"Cormier Chevrolet" sold the last 2002 Camaro they had in August or September of 2003 .

Russ-So Cal

I guess hindsight or memories are better than the original product. An original stock GTO in the sixties ran low 14's off the showroom. If you wanted to get into the 13's you had to mod it.
The new GTO will probably run low 14 or high 13's off the showroom. It will also stop from any speed it can attain and go around corners. Mod it, and you can probably get low 13's or high 12's. As far as why G.M. doesn't continue the f-body. Why should they, if they can't sell all they can make for $30k. They can sell all of the full size pickups, suvs, and minivans they can build, and very few are sold for as little as $30k. Heck they don't have any problem unloading Hummers as fast as they can build them, and they start above $45k. Why would they even care about competing with Mustang at $20k. Also, I don't think suv's are a fad that is going to go away. The government in their wisdom decided that we all needed economy cars, so they outlawed the traditional station wagon. The suv is the new station wagon, and the fad will pass as soon as people stop having babies.

BretD 88GTA

Station wagons are on a comeback. Not the traditional large style "dinosaur" wagons of the 70's and early 80's, but the European makers like Audi, BMW & Volvo are all producing sporty station wagons. These may be a big hit since some people don't care for a huge boxy SUV.

The Euro wagons accomodate kids, get better gas mileage and can take corners at a pretty good clip. A friend of mine has an Audi A4 wagon and loves it. He can still cart his son and the dog around and if he wants AND also do some spirited driving. Audi even conducts free classes for Audi owners to show them how to drive the heck out of their cars. My friend got to ring out an Audi at one of these classes.

There's also the new Infiniti FX35 and FX45. These are basically a cross between a wagon and SUV. They offer SUV accomodations with some performance tossed in and there aren't huge. Based on the numbers of these I've seen on the road, I'd say they are pretty popular.

injdinjn

Not being sarcastic here, just a note
The Camero and Firebird were both F bodies.
Other then a few badges, and a higher price for the GMC, what is the diff between a Chevy truck/suv or a GMC truck/suv
Also the G body was a Monte Carlo, Grand Prix, Cutlass, and Regal. And the newer MC,GP,Regal are the same bodies.
? Seen many ads for the GTO, I haven't seen one.

cali92RS

If u saw any bowl games yesterday, u would be sick of the GTO already. They were really pushing the commercials.