hartsmike

I'm sure this has been asked and answered several times on here so don't bash me for not being able to search. But what are the pros and cons of each and versus each and the expense?

Thanks guys

AutoRoc

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GOOGLE that!!

Nobody makes a turbo kit for thirdgen camaros so it will have to be custom made.

IrocRoadRacer

For our cars which is better?

DIGGLER

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your question is alot like this one:

which shoes are the best for my feet?

junkcltr

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Pros:
Spin tires
Go fast
Pop wheelies
Make noise

Cons:
Break parts
Cost money
Good fuel and spark tuning
Install parts

abray1

Maybe it could be broken down like this. Placement of power adder, placement of intercooler, placement of pipes, power vs dollars spent, How much maintanance involved.
The new LS superchargers with the radiator built in the bottom of them really takes advantage of space. Then you just have the intercooler to place and a little tubing. We need orr89 and some other people of that level to chime in here since I am another interested observer as well.

Dakota W.

Turbos are more efficient and make more peak power.

gta324

Good one

Are you able to build a turbo kit by yourself or do you have the $$$ to have one custom made for you? If not but a supercharger kit.

Either one is going to cost some time and money......

project89

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when sized properly they also make more power across the entire rpm range

anesthes

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What I don't quite understand is the posts on the other forums that turbo setups cost "$6,000 or more"..

Absolutely everything for my turbo setup cost 1/2 of what I sold my used procharger for...

-- Joe

Mrbanados

If you have to ask this then you have no business doing either one. Google pulls many good threads and good articles to read about this.

DIGGLER

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$1,500 turbo x2
$300 wastegate x2
$900 headers
$900 intercooler x2
$250 bov x2
$500 injectors
$300+ misc. tubing/silicon connectors
$500 boost controller

$8100

sailtexas186548

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oil lines, refernece lines, fuel pump, fuel lines, boost referenced regulator, crank case evac and catch can, heat wrap or coating, flanges, wideband, welding materials $$$$

anesthes

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$350.00 Turbo x1 because I don't need two to make 700hp.
$210 XSpower turbo headers (stainless) and crossover
$56 38mm wastegate, tial knockoff
$100 Greddy bov (DSM style)
$210 cxracing intercooler kit, 3", 27x13x3" core
$100 Misc drain/feed flanges, AN adapters, oil -4 oil hose
$100 4" air cleaner and misc extra bends/silicone I needed
$100 Misc pipes and vbands to make the downpipe

$1226

I had big injectors, and I think they are like $245 for a set of 8 42lbs
Boost control is done by adjustable wastegate, however should I decide to do it electronically my engine management computer (megasquirt) does boost control, so I'd just need a $19 GM boost solenoid.

I can see where someone could spend $8k on a turbo build, but it's not required. I suppose if you want to make 1,200hp it would take twins and some fancy parts, but I don't even think Orr has half that into his and he's faster than most members. For a 500-800hp single build, I think $1500 is about top of the mark. I just literally in the past 30 days sold my supercharger and went turbo.

Oh, I spent $19 on a spool of stainless mig wire to modify the headers.

-- Joe

Street Lethal

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Your right Dig, with top of the line parts, you will spend even more than that. But for a simple build, one that can handle the horsepower limitations of a cast rolling assembly, it can be done for very cheap and last quite some time. Just have to keep detonation in check.

anesthes

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I vaguely remember his build, but isn't he running banks or sts cast headers with twin .70s or something making over 1k whp ? That's quite a bit of a stretch from "What does it cost to put a turbo on my L98 or foxbody".

I realize that better turbos, better intercoolers, better parts, etc will all have higher power and reliability potential but I'm not certifying the car to run 9 second e/t's.

-- Joe

Street Lethal

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Yeah I forget too, we really need a turbo database for the members here that gets updated, I've given up on the individual profile signatures. I'm familiar with the builds of Justin's (Orr) and Steve's (ZZ3) because they regularly post vids and updates, but everyone else I have to search for...

Agreed.

anesthes

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I'm all for it. Start a post your build thread - 1 post per member, and I'll make it a sticky.

When I was researching turbo's it was almost impossible for me to find some real solid data. I found a post you made in someone's thread regarding the xspower headers, a post from project89 about the ebay turbos, and I was somewhat familiar with Orr. Most of the turbo stuff is way out of data on here and hard to find in the search. It's easy to search "procharger" or "P1SC" and get all the threads you need, but most of the "turbo" matches are dead end threads.


-- Joe

DIGGLER

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you can do things on the cheap for sure... but like anything else you get what you pay for. build a whole system using cheap stuff and you will have lots of possibilities for failure, not working right, or intermittent problems. when trying to go fast, you have to be able to trust all your parts so you can narrow down where you can make improvements or to figure out why the car slowed down a tenth to the 330'. its hard to do that with a bunch of chinese parts with questionable tolerances that are getting pushed to their limits.

for comparison, i have been building a car with a vortech ysi supercharger recently. blower itself is around $3k, cog drive setup is around $800 or so, vortech mondo bov was $325.... had to fabricate a motor plate and mount to fit in the car (4th gen camaro). he is reusing his headers, so you can figure its roughly a $6-7k setup with the tubing/injectors and stuff. people have made over 1k hp with these things. (this car wont, though)

DIGGLER

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you can go 9's with a stock cast rotating assembly and a cheater plate.

DIGGLER

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i decided to steer away from the sts manifolds so i could run some better turbos. i still have the manifolds, but will probably be selling them. new turbos are precision 6766's and do not have an on center design like the sts/banks manifolds require. been trying to get going on it for about 3 years now, but the house and baby knocked the wind out of my sails.

anesthes

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They don't make those sts manifolds anymore do they? Wonder what they are worth.

I'd probably re-weld the flanges to a normal T4 flange, but the routing for a twin is a bit much for me. I considered twins but then I gotta merge before the IC or get a new IC, deal with two down pipes, two wastegates, blah.

-- Joe