83 Crossfire TA

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Hum... that's too bad. Really, more then anything I would just like to see what the manifolds/headers he ended up with look like and the path that he took with the crossover tube. Is he still running stock location engine mounts?

Z28ricer

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I saw pics of the motor on the stand, cant seem to find them any more, but yes they appeared to be stock motor mounts, and it went just as if you had a set of replacement 3rd gen headers but then they sorta too a turn after the oil pan and would go between the block, motor mount, and K member, forwards and into the merge.

89ProchargedROC

They are basically stainless steel and coated 1 5/8 primary block hugger headers

After the collector on the passenger side, the exit goes behind the motor mount and over the aftermarket www.pa-racing.net tubular k-member.....it then turns and goes under the front of the oil pan very similar to how guido's is

anything else?

83 Crossfire TA

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Hum... In that case I think that I've got an archive of pictures of his setup (I've been archiving almost every interesting pic that I've seen). I don't remember where I got them, but from appearances it's the same turbo, location and the headers match the description, even same coatings... just the valve covers are different (I beleve that the pic that I attached is one of exhaust routing that has been posted on a board so it's not giving anything away, but I've got a bunch more...).

Too bad, looks like the setup would only work on something with a smaller crossmember, I know that with the stock K-member there is no room to run the pipes like that with the stock K-member (and I've been wondering how the engine that I've had pictures of was shoehorned in). BTW, for anyone thinking of doing something similar with the stock k-memeber the exhaust routing isn't the only problem, block huggers will not fit either, even with the collectors cut off.

I'm guessing that he's running solid motor mounts (I can't imagine rubber or poly would live with the exhaust wrapped around them).

Otherwize it looks like he's running a TEC II and some other fairly obvious stuff. I love the look.

Thanks procharged...

89ProchargedROC

yup thats his

B4Ctom1

It is a very nice setup considering his creative use of a block hugger. Its sad that thirdgenners have to do this type of stuff. hopefully now we have another option. also check this post for a possible configuration picture to resolve the bolt hole in the flange issue https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...067#post966067

YenkoZ28

As far as fuel managment goes I would use a 1227749 ECM from a GMC Syclone. Then you could get electronic wastegates and control them with the ECM. A little tuning and you would have one bad machine.

True Power

To control the wastegates through the chip, doesnt the WG have to be integrated? (i.e. T3) If so, could the ecm control two of them? Also, for those who go for larger turbos, the wastegates are often external. In cases like that, can that ECM still control even one of them? (i dont know if the wastegate style is different or whatenot)

89ProchargedROC

Hmm...well i think you could get it work if you took some time to figure it out

I mean the NMRA, NSCA use wastegates on the PRESSURE side and use hobbs switches to open/close them and use them as boost controllers

so it *may* be able to work

83 Crossfire TA

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actually, yea... Do you know which turbo that is and what his best run is with that combination (been compairing turbo sizes/maps and it would be interesting to see how close the maps are to the predictions)?

Guido

He uses an innovative T76.

Not sure what his best ET is though. Sorry.

89ProchargedROC

its a dual ball-bearing turbo too

i know he's been 9.90s @ 135-136

dont know if he's gone better

Inwo

:hail: 9 second 305

I'm interested in seeing what the "kit" price will be and if a dfi computer will be included with the kit...

red_johnny

Twin turbos are awsome! I heard you guys talk about junk yard turbos but I have no idea what would be good for my car. (89 350TBI Camaro) I want to put twin turbo on to get some good gains in HP but I am clueless on how to do it. How much should junk yard turbos run? Once I have the turbos how much would it cost to get them up and running with out me haveing any other parts? Just thought I'd shoot that out there. Hopefully I will get a great answear!

askulte

Umm... search the forum? That's been discussed to no end. Short answer - probably $2k to $4k on your first try...

jrg77

so did anybody ever get the flange thing the guy was talkin' about?

subzero

how many times do I need to say this: you want the manifolds?...Call Banks!..they have them for sale!!!!!!..You want a tubo kit for the 3rd gen?...call Banks !!!! they have them for sale now!!!..The complete kit for the 3rd gen is $5995

red_johnny

Ok Got ya but some of us dont have 6 grand laying about! I was looking for a cheaper route.

subzero

hey,fair enough but posts keep getting put up here about somebody needs to make manifolds and "now that banks is gettting back into turbo R & D work"...it is already done and avail for sale for those of us who have the $$ and want the banks products

Hasselhof

Was just looking at the banks site...from what I can gather it doesnt come with intercoolers?

B4Ctom1

the banks site is showing what those at PRI, SEMA, and a few of the dealers have seen. That even through all of my harping after years and years of telling us its coming out this year, it appears they have restarted production of the same kit they made for use years ago there is another thread where I am posting a letter from a dealer showing his (unadvertisable price)

subzero

glad to see B4cTom has realized that I wasn't Bs'ing about the resurection of the Banks twin turbo kits ...Just giving you a hard time man

B4Ctom1

PETE

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What might help is using BB motor mounts. Since essentially they are the same pattern as even the same mounts made 20years later we could use them. The BB motor mounts posistion the engine 1-1.25 inches towards the drivers side giving clearance on the passenger side. I personally would rather have a single turbo setup. By using a log type manifold on the drivers side(generates heat and expansion of gases) and running in through a y-pipe similar to the 3.8 turbo to another log manifold or even a 4 to 1 would likely give enough room for a dp on the passenger side.

Log manifolds work! Any of you that do not think so have never experienced a 3.8 turbo car. Plenty are in the 10's with the crappy crackable mild steel pieces the factory used.

Tubular K-members are also fairly cheap(under$400), By using the K member you can posistion the tubing differently. You can then opt to use your stock a-arms or go with the tubular ones(it accepts both). 1 less wastegate, 1 less turbo, 1 less headache = savings on the initial cost of a 3rd gen turbo project and would more than makeup the cost of a $400 k-member if needed.

I have always been interesting in an IROC V8 turbo and would part with my TTA to make it happen. Imagine a CPT-65(dont ask) 334(305 based) chevy in an IROC with a fmic. :hail:

I'm definately interested! Considering the $4500 I'm spending on this build up, it would be a drop in a bucket.

83 Crossfire TA

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Which BBC mounts do that? Has anyone tried them in a 3rd gen???

Sounds like just the ticket to get a 4" down pipe through the passenger side without overheating things like the starter…

Now there you go… that's a killer idea. Make mine an early 3rd gen TA without all the body work…

stevedave454

i've heard they change how it sits vertically (i forget if BBC mounts make it sit higher or lower) but i never heard of em moving it to the side... if they did that would be nice! but aren't the 3rd gen motor mounts a different style than the old ones? meaning that the old BBC mounts wont work? yes they will bolt to the motor, but will they correctly bolt to the frame?

jrg77

If the idea is to make more room under the car wouldn't a dry sump system get rid of the oil pan and generate all of that space?

Did anyone get headers from JGStrubo? Is he as goos as he says he is? I saw that BWR manifold, but that was after the piece was casted.

Jason

PETE

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If I recall the mounts were used in the early f body's cause the bigger engine caused interference. Now that I think of it, it might be the other way around. I think it may posistion it slightly towards the pass. side due to the steering arm interference with the exhaust.

83 Crossfire TA

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Now that I would believe. I was under the impression that most normal big block mounts just position them differently height wise, causing other clearance issues.

for that matter, if you're going this far, make your own, it wouldn't be as hard as the plumbing involved in doing the turbo setup

tilstad

Unless you all already know this, there is a cheaper turbo kit at www.bbsdesigns.net


Single and twin kits from $2295 for a universal kit
And $2995 twin turbo for a thirdgen tpi car.

RA080923

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Interesting... their web-site kinda lacks mind-you... links just lead to 'under construction'.

tilstad

These guys don't spend lots of time or money on their website, after all, this is fairly affordable kits compared to the competition.

When you get to the under construction page, click the "enter store" button down in the left corner, and then you'll get to the goods.