camarokev400

Just got back from racing, cut a little short because of rain but i got in 6 runs, first run was a dissapointing 13.9 with a 2.6 60 foot spun all the way, got me pretty worried it was going to be a bad night. I dropped the air pressure and heated the tires up good and got it down to a 12.77 at 109.

Was shifting at 5200 and coming across the line at 5300 with the new 3.73 gears, still dont have a posi though. What would you suggest now for suspension mods? or should i leave it alone with a 1.9 60 foot?

camarokev400

here is the time slip...... also weighed the car tonight and it comes it at 3280 with me in it (165lbs) just need .2 more tenths shooting for a 12.5

brutalform

Wow! 3280lbs? What did you do to get it that light? And thats with you in it yet. You really should look into a carrier. Pretty impressive with an open rear, though. I used to cut 1.68s 60s with my old 355 combo, with BFG drag radials. Maybe some Spohn brackets? What is already done to your suspension? Nice runs!

camarokev400

its pretty stripped, no wipers, no heater, dash is gutted of all hvac stuff, no back seats, 1LE radio delete, no speakers, no spare tire. The suspension is completely stock other than kyb gr2 front struts. Im running 225-60-16's right now, want to get a posi before i try a bigger tire. I have a underdrive crank pulley on the way, we'll see what that does and then its on to the supsension and maybe an alluminum driveshaft, cant really think of any more weight reduction without spending big money

ssean92

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man get some supension mods and posi, drag slicks and u will be trhere for sure

TRAXION

Geezus. I had tons of creature comforts in my IROC and went in the mid-11's @ 117mph on a 350ci stock motor. Why strip the car down when you can go fast and have a nice radio, wipers, back seats, heat, etc???

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mw66nova

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not only that, but you can have all that stuff and still have a light car. i still have a radio, working headlights, taillights, horn, wipers, full interior and my car weighs 2950.

drag1LE

Gee, I thought he was asking for advice on suspension mods based on his 60'. . .

mw66nova

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lca relocation bracket, boxed lca's of some sort and a real tire...i'm a fan of m/t ET Street Radials...choose size according to your overal gear ratio and how much tire you want on the ground.

i've said it time and time again, street tires on a drag strip is like walking on ice with tennis shoes then wondering why you keep falling on your butt. you need the right tools for the job.

care to add anything your highness?

drag1LE

Yes, my loyal subject

Just run a pair of wrinklewalls and you don't have to do any of that other stuff.

zz4monte

I have seen that kind of buildup before.Very popular.400 with xe274. I bet your making 420-440hp at the flywheel and 500ftlbs.You should get low 12s with suspension work and slicks.Get a 1.6 60ft and your low 12s.I bet that thing has 400ftlbs of torque at 2500rpm.Torque monster.

87TPI350KID

Mine with a full tank of gas, me in it (190 lbs), all my stereo, A/C, every power option only weighs 3660.

1bad406

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Where did you weigh your car at? At Commerce My junk with a 400 and a glide, 8 pt cage (mild steel), SCF's, 9", all Spohn stuff, Wilwood dynalite disc's all around, no radio or A/C, racing front seats, no back seats, 5 gal fuel cell, 3230 with me in it. (i'm 220).

Orr89RocZ

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those are great ideas but dont forget springs/shocks.

all he has is stock springs/shocks except for kyb front struts.

some good rear springs like drag launch or even the stockers could work. but definately some adjustable shocks or drag shocks. kinda stiffer on the rear but soft up front. it will help the car weight transfer back and lift up but NOT squat down. good et streets or w/e will take the power and get that car off the line well.

camarokev400

thanks for the input...

first off the car is so loud that you cant even hear the radio so whats the point, and it only see's the street when im driving to the strip or car show, and maybe to work if its real nice out. And it dosent get drove in the rain so that dosent matter about the wipers either.

What tires would you guys reccomend for 16 inch rims? Im getting a posi and some sub frame connectors first though

Orr89RocZ

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i like my et streets... i got 26x11.50 et streets on stock irocz 16x8 rims. you might beable to get away with the 26x10.5s or w/e if you want alittle less tire to lessen rotating weight and such. but my tires are 6-7lbs lighter than the street tires...245/50/16's

mw66nova

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i've weighed it at commerce and silver dollar, both times they were right within 5lbs. of each other so i figure Silver dollar is real close since that was where i got my last weight at. honestly, the 2950lbs. is a hypothetical number based on the last time i weighed and i know what i changed.

the car weighed 2910 w/o me and 3170 (i'm 260...maybe a bit less now)w/ me and no backseat or bass tube. those weigh ~40lbs. and i put them back in. remember, my car doesn't have a rollbar of any sort, just some really good sfc's. it's got an aluminum drum brake 7.5" 10bolt, aluminum ds, nothin' really up front at all, the dash is just a shell with nothing behind it, manual steering, no a/c or vent stuff whatsoever, aluminum heads, liteweight carpet (ACC replacement) and a 15lbs lift off hood. i've got more stuff, but i've done so much to it that i can't remember it all. biggest thing is that i wanted a gutted car that didn't look gutted. it's got fully optioned doors though, if that makes it any better lol! i'm hoping to get the weight down to a solid 2900lbs w/o me and 3120 w/ me...so the car and i both have work to do.

camarokev400

the alluminum heads is where you are getting me i think, i have the dart iron eagles and they are soo much heavier than the 350 heads that i had on there before, i guess i just need to port them out and get rid of some of that wieght haha. How is your 10 bolt holding together mw66? i was thinking of getting that cover that has the bolts that push into the bearing caps..... but i dont think its worth wasting money on the 10 bolt

mw66nova

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well, it's got about everything done to it i can think of with the exception of
aftermarket axles.

GM 3.73's
Eaton Posi
Ratech solid pinion spacer
T/A aluminum cover

so far, it's doing alright. we built it up before with 4.10's but omitted the solid pinion spacer and i broke it, but since i installed the solid pinion spacer it's been great! so far i've been 1.694 to the 60' with this particular combo, but i haven't gotten all the bugs worked out and i'm sure it'll go low 1.6x's. with the mods i have i expect it to hold some high 1.5x 60's, but i'm building an 8.5" 10 bolt to go in with a custom torque arm as soon as i get that project done.

the aluminum heads are worth 30-40lbs.

1bad406

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That sounds about right. I've got my car down to where I want it. I didn't care how much it weighed, just how well it reacted on the pro tree. I was rolling in as shallow as possible at Commerce and went .410 rt 7.007 ET first round, and .398 red 7.003 ET on a 7.00 index to lose second round

mw66nova

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oh man...a .398 is frickin' tryin' though man, can't get mad at a guy for -.002


quite the packages though! .410 and a 7.007! a .017 package is the kind that footbrake bracket racers dream of! now, you're running a tranny brake though right? i'd like to run the 7.00 class with ORSCA...but at 7.9...i gotta WAYS to go...maybe after the turbo install.

Orr89RocZ

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that will be awesome, but you just need some cubic inches

mw66nova

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haha, no way man ! forced induction IS the replacement for displacement!

1bad406

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what sucks is that the car I ran, had a freakin .460 react and went 7.15 lol.

I run a glide with a Hipster Pro tree valve body, BTE 8" race 4800 stall. which I just got through taking out again tonight. Had it redone after I broke the planitary, now it wants to back up when I hit the button. I took it to Atlanta anyway and just staged with the rpms up to around 1700. Hopefully it'll be right this time when I get it back.

7.0 is by far the most popular class to run. We usually have over 30 cars each race.

mw66nova

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well, like i said, it's a class i've wanted to race for a while, my pops made it to one race, hooked up the brake in his glide and the car went 7.6x's...FAR from competetive. if i could get him to put a th350 in his car (it's heavier than ours and underpowered) i think i could squeek some 30's out of her...then just tweakin' things here and there and i bet ya i could get it down in the 7.0 range, but he's resisting the 3spd...mainly cause of the money he has in powerglide stuff, and he's not sure if he wants to drop another $700 on a converter and $1000 on a trany with a good valve body and good brake.

1bad406

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A glide is quicker than a th350. worth atleast .15. A good converter and a gear and it'll step up. heavy cars need atleast a 4.56 to get out of the hole. th350's have a sprag that will break when you start leaving hard on it. I went to a 5.14 gear and a 1.76 planitary set and now I have a totally different car. went 6.769 @99mph saturday night bracket racing in humid weather.

mw66nova

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yeah, but we 1/4 mile race more than 1/8, so i don't want to setup a car that runs flat out 1/8mile, you know? also, the th350 in a street car will work better. with a 2.48:1 first gear, you can get outta the whole on a 4.10 gear quicker than a 1.82:1 first gear and 4.56's (the combo that's in it right now) and be more street friendly...his best 60's are in the 1.67 range. he needs more gear to run a glide and get outta the whole fast enough. it's got an 8" ATI converter in it that flashes to 4200 on the brake, but enough gear/converter to get him outta the whole like he should would make it unbearable on the street, which is why i'm wanting to go to a th350. there is a method to my madness, lol!

1bad406

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ah, didnt know it was a street car. My car turns around 6900 crossing the line in the 1/8th. my 60ft is around a 1.45 when I run wide open. (1.50 to 1.51 when set up for 7.0) So yeah that wouldnt be feasable at all on the street. I had a 1.82 in my glide and destroyed it not too long ago. I even had a steel hud welded around it.

mw66nova

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well, we do race with the Ontario Street Car Association, the National Street Car Association and other Street Car groups, lol! yeah, we're putting Drag Radials and a real exhaust sytem on it when i get home next month so he can start driving it on a regular basis again.

1bad406

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Taking my car off the street was the best thing i've ever done. I havnt had a ticket since. It still has everything to be streetable again, just need a bigger fuel cell and drag radials. But soon as I get it out again, some little punk in a mustang is going to come up to me at a red light, and my finger will accidently slide over on the transbrake button, and my foot would some how slip up and push the pedal wide open and dust his doors, then the police would magically appear, you get the picture. lol.

brutalform

Yea, when that happens when I am out on the street, I say "sure I'll race you. Wanna put some money on it?" That ends it right there. The punks KNOW you will beat them, they just want a free show. Tell them "put up or shut up, I don't do charity work".

I do understand how it is hard to behave though...LOL.

Orr89RocZ

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yep it can be tempting sometimes but you gotta control yourself out there.

mw66nova

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oh yeah...especially when you're talking about mid 12 second rides and quicker when you KNOW you can take like 95% of people on the street...

hehe, i rather enjoy telling the ricers to "put up or shut up" actually...

brutalform

I hear ya Matt, Not to be off topic but, I ran into a guy at a cruise. He had a third gen Camaro, and put a carb, intake, and headers on it. He said "it should run 11s now". I said "really?" I took him for a spin in my bird when it had the 355 in it, and he held on for dear life! He said.."WOW what does this thing run?" 13.00s, I said. Then he says "Oh, I guess Im not going to run 11s huh?"

Your post just reminded me of that guy at the cruise. LOL

mw66nova

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EXACTLY! people don't know what a fast car is until they've been in one with real time slips.

i had the drag radials on one night cruisin' downtown macon with the 360 (remember, the one that *should* have gone 11.8x's had the block not cracked) and i rolled into from about 15mph and the tires held and we went to 65 pretty quickly (oh, like 3 seconds or less...that thing was a TORQUE MONSTER!) it was the first time my buddy had ever been in the car and i hammered it and the tires held. he just kinda looked at me like "dude, i just crapped my pants". it was really quite satisfying!

brutalform

Nothing better than the full effect, instead of the tires spining, and you know the passanger was really impressed!

Orr89RocZ

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i took a kid for a ride the other night too. 1.85 60 foot dead hooking. he was like WOW that was incredible.. pushes you deeep into your seat. he asked me if i feel that too, and i'm like... its my 3rd pass on ET streets and actually hooking... we're both experiencing it at the same time! LOL



suspension and tires is so important to really get all your power turned into ET.

mw66nova

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i'm glad you see it my way now Orr!

camarokev400

i finally found a 3 series posi, zexel torsen im going to put the 3.73s that are in the car on there, and hopefully try some better tires on it. What lower control arms should i get, the adjustable ones or just regular ones?

camarokev400

double post...

1bad406

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Regular boxed. Mine are Hotchkis, but spohn has some good ones too that are a little cheaper, around $150.

camarokev400

another new best.... got the posi and underdrive pulley on, still cant launch it without spinning bad, have to baby it and then hammer it. Ran 12.607 at 110.18 with a 1.966 60 foot. im afraid to put slick to the 10 bolt

mw66nova

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don't be afraid of the sticky tires!!!

EvilCartman

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Another vote for sticky tires. Speaking of giving people rides hehe, took my friend's girlfriend for a pass on the track (not going quicker than 14.00 of course) and she loved it. I looked over after letting off the throttle and she had this huge smile on her face Going to the track in about 15 hours to finally try out the new 4,000 stall converter. Wonder how she'll like it this time

camarokev400

another new best, put the slicks on and ran 12.41 @111.8, 1.84 60 foot. My friend let me borrow a pair of 26x8.5 slicks, kinda scary ive never ran a tire like that it feels real squirely going down the track, had air pressure at 14.

EvilCartman

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Let the car do it's thing and don't try and chase the car down the track is what I was told to do. Mine doesn't move around much but that will probably change with the new slicks being taller.

brutalform

Dont be afraid to try more air pressure. My car does not get like that until I am at 14 PSI, and my car is heavier than yours. Heavier cars tend to like more air pressure. (mine does). IMO, your short times can get into the mid to low 1.6s, or better. I've layed down my best 60' with 18 PSI, and the car flies "straight"!

bluegrassz

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I took my friend for a ride after my new combo. He said we needed to go back and get one of his lungs. !!!

I understand the need for tires. Im getting 1.84 60ft spinning for 10-12ft.
Mods and time is in the sig.

camarokev400

so its normal they feel kinda funny then? I guess i should have had more air pressure in them from what ive been told now, the highest i had them was 14. Guess i'll start out around 18 next time.