watajob

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https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/thir...issed-off.html

xpndbl3

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that sucks man. a bunch of people broke either going to the fest or coming back from it. my tow vehicle broke the morning of the fest but luckily i just took the new truck and it towed fine. the alternator in my 88 V2500 truck went out on me....figures.

watajob

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It just pisses me off that it had to happen right then. I know it's 14 y/o and stuff's gonna' happen. Why couldn't it wait ONE day?!

3.8TransAM

Its always something.

U never win, the harder you play the more it breaks and the more you spend :-)

My non car friends/family laugh at me. If u do the math and figure it out, its still cheaper than paying full coverage and buying a new comparable car and than realising 3 years later you cant even sell it for half of what you payed lol

Soulrev

How many trailer queens made it out this year?

flrtin1

Guess a trailered car that made it is better than not having a car there at all................hmmmm

91CamaroRS305

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3 this year....probably more next!

xpndbl3

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people are always jealous of those of us who can trailer a car, not have it get all dirty on the trip down and then I don't have to worry about one of the 100s of stupid little things that can break on these old cars and leave it stranded. If I want to drive my car around town I will, but I won't take it out on a brand new motor combo that has seen zero tuning just because people have a problem with it. It's just like the guys at the track who whine about trailering your car the 1.5 hours up to byron or US 41, but they're the guys begging to have their cars on back of your trailer when something breaks.

91CamaroRS305

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this is very true, I was going to trailer mine but my buds truck wasnt legal to drive.....however next year I will be for sure

GarageToys

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Oooh. Ouch.

9D1BURD

jealous? I doubt that is it, some people think it is more sad than anything.

3.8TransAM

If its not legal or brand new, I think even I would get a litte questionable.

The bigger problem with trailering is, that most people dont have a car + trailer + vehicle to tow it with.

I do and will continue to drive everything everywhere as it permits, we almost always have one trailer within out group floating around when we go to the track.

Sometimes the car that went down on it comes home with it, sometimes its driven cause someone else broke big time :-)

Trailers are nice to have, but it does blow unless u have enough money to have a trialer and a truck + a car to trailer.

Personal opinions aside, I really dont care how mice or powerful it is :-) If I cant drive it anywhere I want more or less when I want, it is useless to me.

Steve, get a wideband and you will be amazed at how quickly you can dial in a carb :-)

later
Jeremy
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Oh yes, my TTA had plates from 01 on it lol :-)

I can admit to never being stranded in a thirdgen I have owned as of yet :-P

*knocking on simulated wood*

91CamaroRS305

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i think it is rather cool, if i had my gear in the rear end when TGF rolled around this year I wouldn't of taken the car w/o a trailer. its bad enough I am in 3rd gear at 3k rpm doing 55 mph and i left the stock 2.73 gear in the rear....imagine what i would of been spinning at with a 4.10 next year the car will have to be trailered, no way I am driving it down there with that gear in the rear
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where may I find one of these wideband thingies you spreaken of?? I need to tune my carb a WHOLE lot more

Twisted92Z28

Dam that sucks. My car took a crap a week before the meeting and i didnt have enough time to fix it so i missed it, also had work Was looking forward to meeting some of you guys since i dont really post that much tho i do read the boards daily. I have done some mods since i last posted mainly suspension. 1992 Chevrolet Camaro - Troy's Chevrolet definetly going next year if i have to walk hehe.

xpndbl3

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i can tune carbs the old fashioned way no problem, but when you start mixing big gears and big stalls on the street for an hour straight of driving it does become a little bit of a hassle to fight rising temps. Since I have both a tow vehicle and trailer available to me I'll typically do it this way every year. Had the shows been around my house, like S&S in orland park, then I'll just drive it out there. Not to mention I still need to swap to a more steetable fuel pump, since this one on my car is anything but--not sure if anyone heard me turn it on or not.

Also, if anyone has wideband devices and wants to loan them out that would be great. Furthermore, to Tim what is more sad than anything is Dean not asking me for my address and writing it down at thirdgenfest and shipping out my oil pan, or heading to Firebird383's house or anyone else in the area that I see to give it to me. If he wants to PM me to ship it out that would be great, I guess I'm the kind of person that if I owe something to someone I give it or ship it for $10 and not have me keep asking for it.

9D1BURD

okay steve, let me once again remind you that i am not dean. take whatever beef you have with him, up with him. its that simple

3.8TransAM

Personally I'm a fan of the Innovate wideband if u need a display get the LM-1

If u have a computer car and can datalog get the LC-1 and display it on your scanner.

Just goole Innovate, you should be able to get one for about $330 it will save u that much in gas at least.

If u want to get a real carb worked out and get mileage/part/full throttle get yourself a QJ.

Dont knock it until u have tried it. (thats my I'll take a QJ over any other carb plug, althought I'm liking features on the Demon carbs)

But seriously, with a wideband you can have it almost all with a car.

Tweak the idle and figure out the part throttle and cruise AFR's and work on the WOT transtions and WOT AFR's.

Only thing you really need to make sure of before you start is zero mechanical/electrical issues and a leak free exhaust in front of and behind the wideband.

The biggest carb bashers are usually folk who dont have the knowledge to rebuild them and tweak them out themselves. There is as big a diff between and untuned EFI car as there is on an untuned carb car once u get it all worked out.

Only thing that will beat it would be a EFI car :-P

PS. If your running that much gear, how much power are u making? Get an OD tranny and gain 3-4 mpg if u drive it much at all it will pay for itself.

later
Jeremy

3.8TransAM

Everyone de-bundle your panties now.

U all know mines bigger cause this is the internet and I'm the moderator.

Steve, send Dean you address.

Dean, send him the thing.

later
Jeremy

xpndbl3

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jeremy,
you using either of those wideband setups? I just checked out the LM-1 and it appears you can run a A/F gauge type setup that looks pretty simple to tune off of and should be easy enough to swap from car to car to vary the cost on it a bit amongst friends. Not sure if you can datalog off a autometer tach or electronic speedo without a computer running as well.

flrtin1

LOL that was not aimed at anyone Kevin just as a general statement.......I heard several people that were at TGF without their cars for one reason or another wishing the had a trailer so they could of at least had a car there to show off.

I will add my two cents here since most people assume I mostly trailer my car.....I have and will drive my car whenever I can (over 60k miles with the blower on it) but there are several reasons I will not hesitate to trailer it, the first one being I have a crushed spinal cord and cannot always physicaly handle the ride......second I have three kids and a wife so if we all go there is not enough room in the camaro.....but I have never trailered because I felt the car could not make the drive on it's own so never assume why someone trailers their car.
If you have a trailer and use it great... if you don't I would bet at some point for whatever reason you will wish you did have one to use so I don't see why this gets to be such a big issue.

91CamaroRS305

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probably because everyone likes to pick on poor Steve because he won 1st place last year with a trailered 1/2 a car

nothing but love for ya!!

xpndbl3

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i love you too mike and it was nice to have our girlfriends there and not have them complain at all the whole day wasn't it?

91CamaroRS305

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yes it was in that aspect....and dont feel bad Steve, I picked mine up when she was in her senior year in high school.....and I am 2 years older then she is

jay92,85,79

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I'm 3 years older than my girl..... And I will be forsure drive my car next year there... Going to get there bright early the moring so we can have some camaros in the front row..

mustbeatmopar

but who wants that? we all know the bird is so much prettier... j/k kids.
and flirtin1, why didnt you put your number in the window? i wanted to vote for you for best mod camaro and bestr engine. but no #.

xpndbl3

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i don't think shawn wanted his car entered into the voting.

3.8TransAM

IF I HAVE TO DELETE POSTS DUE TO RETARDS WITH COMPUTERS I GET ANGRY.


Steve, I'm using a Innovate fulltime in the Formula and more or less part time in the TTA when I'm working on it.

Pretty much best bang for the buck out there, replacement sensors run about $40 if you shop around from Audi/VW suppliers(thats a hint if u missed it)

Works great and parts are cheap for when u kill a sensor.

Takes all the guess work out and when u do WOT, u can lean/richen it and watch the mph and know what the best AFR is for your car.

As far as flrtn1's car goes, I have seen him drive it down 394 to the Fest(at least part of the way) and he was driving it on part of Power tour last year.

later
Jeremy

xpndbl3

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jeremy if you're at the lansing cruise nights i'd love to see it on your car if you have it available.

paulbuiltbird

Jeremy which model wideband are you using?

flrtin1

Thanks for the thought but my car has not changed for many many years and I would rather see the people that have been working hard on modding their cars get some much deserved recognition for their efforts. We don't go to many shows any more but try to hit the cruises where you actually drive with a group of other hot rods like the Power Tour or the cruises at Streator and Jacksonville plus just driving my car is a blast lol. We were planning on cruising after the show with you guys but had to be back in Peoria by 2AM so we left for home right after the show.........the other cool thing...... that was my oldest son with me and the 7hr round trip and show was a good time for some much needed father son time

91CamaroRS305

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Its great to know a Third Gen is bring you together.....my Dad has no idea how to work on a car, but he loves to hear mine run and hand me tools....and then correct me if i do something stupid

i get to drag him to Route 66 June 9th for the NHRA nationals, always a good time

3.8TransAM

I run the Innovate almost full time in the Formula.

I only take it out when I'm working on something else, usually one of my cars.

I also have two complete DIY widebands from the DIY-EFI boards.

Eventually everything I own will have full time wideband logging/display.

:-)

later
Jeremy