gt4373

1982 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 for sale at Kissimmee 2024 as J199.1 - Mecum Auctions

8t2 z-chev

Very cool: '82, hardtop,CFI LG4 /4 spd. would also have been nice hope the original battery has been kept. a look at the underneath would be nice-some of these ultra low miles cars get surface rust on iron parts from unproper storage,

ACebell

Super Nice condition. Hard to tell in the pictures, but the door gaps, and the spoiler alignment look almost perfect. In another thread on "crooked doors" we are all hypothesizing why the top of the doors "stick out". Was it a factory default? Doesn't look that way from this 39-mile example. And the spoiler line is "almost" perfect too. Maybe the general did build them better than I give them credit!

ksr

What a beauty!

Seeing a mint condition example like this makes me wonder. If Chevy built a new Camaro and did what Dodge did with the 2008 Challenger, which was to make a near-copy of a 1970 Challenger, would it sell? Nobody seems to want coupes anymore, but it's hard for me to believe that a new Camaro based strongly on a 3rd gen Camaro, obviously with modern mechanicals, wouldn't be a big success.

ironwill

Based on the total lack of advertising of the 6th gen Camaro (when was the last time you saw a TV ad for a new Camaro?), no; it would not sell. Since Bara killed the Camaro on the 14th of this month, after allowing it to languish for the past 2 years or so with zero promotion, Chevrolet is apparently no longer in the performance car business. High-horsepower ICE cars are a bad image these days, it seems.

As for the Corvette, I expect it will become an independent carline, separate from Chevrolet, and will have more than one model. The big shots at GM (oops, gm) can't wait to sink their hooks into a Corvette SUV and possibly even some type of pickup. Heritage be damned; it's all about the $$$ these days.

KITT87

It’ll be interesting to see what it sells for, since it seems the car market as a whole is coming down.

ksr

Well, I was assuming that if GM built the thing, they would advertise it. I think it could sell.

Coincidentally, after my post I read this in a GM forum. I don't necessarily agree about the all-electric part, but using the 3rd gen as inspiration I'd be all in favor of.

https://www.autoblog.com/2023/08/09/...retro-opinion/

EDIT: reading today what I wrote above, I realize how stupid it was to actually assume that GM would properly advertise a new Camaro. When was the last time they actually did that? Lack of corporate support doomed the 4th gen and did a lot to kill the 6th. 6th gen sales were disappointing from the start. They should have had a 7th gen on the drawing board years ago that addressed the shortcomings of that car to buyers - the unusable back seat, the small side windows. (Personally, I think these things are really exaggerated by people, but they are the common complaints.) They should have moved toward more of a 3rd gen design in 2016, bring batch the hatchback which made the car fairly practical, have at least a reasonably usable back seat (I can't drive a 6th gen without the driver's seat touching the rear seat). Even so, the 6th gen sales were never great but weren't so terrible prior to the pandemic. The numbers cratered during the pandemic mainly due to limited production for lack of chips. The Chevy dealers around me rarely had even one 6th gen in stock. But Barra and her lackeys were looking for a reason to kill the car. Not because it wasn't a great car, not because no one wanted it. But ICE vehicles just "send the wrong message," the same reason they canceled the production version of the beautiful Cadillac Escala concept.

There isn't a big coupe market anymore, but it isn't totally dead either. As long as Ford is in the game, Chevy should be too.

scottmoyer

The reason no one wants a coupe or a sedan for that fact is all because of US regulations. Cars are required to meet certain regulatory requirements that trucks aren't required to meet. So, the auto manufacturers stopped making station wagons, because they were on a car frame. SUVs and crossovers are all built on truck frames, so the manufacturers used that as a way to get around the rules. If they only advertise and promote SUVs and trucks, that's what people will buy, allowing them to kill off the coupe/sedan market.

So, in an effort to save the planet by regulating cars to certain standards, we get nothing but bigger, heavier, gas guzzling vehicles. Now with the gov't push to electric, the auto manufacturers are killing the internal combustion engine altogether. You gotta love the gov't and the stupid crap taht they mandate that affects us all in a negative way. Think ethanol blended fuels!!!

ksr

Well yeah, but the Japanese, Koreans, and Germans haven't given up on the sedan market, and they still sell coupes as well. The regulations apply to them, too.

Aren't a lot of CUVs built on pretty much the same platforms as cars? My only non-car was a 2014 Jeep Cherokee, and it shared a Fiat chassis with the Dodge Dart compact car. Full-size SUVs use the big truck chassis, but not the small CUVs.

I've read a lot over the years about the declining coupe market, and then the declining sedan market as well. There's various theories. People seem to prefer more practical vehicles these days. Women as a whole tend to be more practical in purchasing decisions, and studies show that most vehicle purchase decisions are now made by women, even for a family. That was definitely not the case years ago; when I was a kid, dads went out and bought the cars and moms may not have even known he was in the market. Now, that would might lead to a divorce. The sportier cars have become less practical and don't make good daily drivers. Camaros and Firebirds were actually pretty tolerable as daily driver up through the 4th generation. Same with the Mustang until the end of the Fox platform in 1993. Then the pony cars changed from having small but still usable (for short trips) back seats to having vestigial back seats that really can't be used at all if the driver is of even average height. I'm 5'11" and in a 6th gen Camaro, the driver's seat touches the back seat when I've driven them. They f-bodies had decent-sized trunks in the 1st and 2nd generations and the 3rd gen hatchbacks could actually carry a lot of stuff; I moved twice using my Formula, even stuffing a mattress in the back with the seats down. I had a 5th gen Camaro and it was a nice car, but it wasn't as easy to live with (any maybe as I've gotten older I'm not as willing to compromise).

I think a big factor is the improved performance of all cars.

The number of people who want a performance car was never huge. Most people who bought pony cars did so more for the style than the performance. After all the regulations of the 1970s sapped alt he horsepower away, if you wanted a car that was fast (for the time), you were looking at f-bodies, Mustangs, Corvettes if you had money, and some of the German and Japanese cars like the 280ZX. Regular, run of the mill compact and midsize cars were pretty slow. There was a big, very noticeable difference between them and the sports cars. My first Firebird was a 1990 Formula bought new, and it's sub-7-second 0-60 time, pretty slow now, made it one of the faster cars on the road, often 4 or more seconds faster 0-60 than other cars. Now, Camaros and Mustangs perform better than they ever have before and are still among the fastest cars on the road. But, everything is fast now. You can buy ordinary compact or midsize cars that do 0-60 in under 7 seconds, with many significantly faster. They don't make cars anymore where you have to wait for a significant gap on the freeway to merge on to it; I had to wait for my chances when I drove a 90HP 1987 Cavalier. The performance gap not being there anymore has taken away one of the reasons to buy a pony car. When you're talking about 0-60 in 4 seconds in a Camaro and 6 seconds in a Honda Accord, it just doesn't make a big difference now in real world driving. All cars are faster than they were in the '80s, but the speed limits are still there and so are the red lights. The very small performance differences, at least for off-the-line performance, between cars these days make the truly fast cars almost irrelevant, except for the small number of speed enthusiasts.

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