dagwood

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Oh I get what you're saying, and no I don't take anything the wrong way, as I hope you haven't with me, either.

Unfortunately, I think the only real way to find this cars value is to put it up for auction and see what kind of money it brings. Other than that I think it's pure speculation and opinion. It's just a very weird chain of events that happened to that car.

And no matter what, it's still pretty frickin cool. I'd love to see the thing all cleaned up, and shining in all her glory!

vinny R

"Its 1 of 1"
It's not. Now please don't take this the wrong way we are having a conversation here. I see the #18 and #19 were not converted and as you say it is on the Firehawk list of 25. So is it 1of 2 or 1 of 25? The fact it was not converted makes this a real unique car and I can see why in the Firehawk owner circle were this could be a real find and give you a different opinion on price. I have to assume that circle is relatively small compared to the members on this forum. I can see why you are getting the opinions on value from the different members so I think everyone is right depending on which circle you are in and how much you are a Pontiac firebird enthusiast. What is the value the Firehawk owner/enthusiast is putting on the car? I don't think I see where you have posted that number.

"Theres not another red car that any of you have owned that can say that. Its 1 of 1. Those are not MY words either."

Yes there is so incase you missed it he responded to this post. His car is not for sale either and probably like this one will never be and if he ever did decide to sell it would be a real treat to see what his car would sell for and how many would be knocking at that door.

I agree with Dagwood, Biz and would really love to see more pics of your buddy's car and hope you guys do clean it up and post some pics on this site. It is a really cool story.

Ulukslo

Yeah its 1 of 1. The other car is black. Not red. Its the ONLY red car on the list not converted. The number is in the 40s. Nobody else has a red car thats on the Firehawk list. So I repeat. 1 of 1.

The car is #18 of 27 cars. Not 25. Choose however you wanna see it but this car is on the list. Just like nobody else's red unbadged Formula 1LE Pontiac car is. So yes. Its 1 of 1. There are 27 cars on the list. 25 Firehawks. 2 unconverted. 1 black and 1 red.

The circle its in is the key point here I do believe like you are saying though. I mean a rare Vette may not bring what it should bring on a Firebird forum. I don't mean there are better forums for this car. I mean there are better platforms for value. Lots of info on this forum and great guys. Asap the car will be cleaned up as I stated and get us some good pics. Thanks for the opinion!

BizJetTech

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So if you were to clean it up and bring it to BJ or Mecum for auction - how would you advertise it??
The Firehawk that COULD have been ?? Just curious what your thinking?

What other "platforms" for value are you talking about?
Please give some examples?

I'd definetily like to see this car, it's a cool car no matter what, hope we can see it soon

Ulukslo

Also the #18 car and the #23 car were not converted. The #19 car is owned by Bruce Hawkins according to the website. The #23 car is black.

Ulukslo

There is no magical potion. The car is #18. Nobody else has it or can say it. Its #18 on the Firehawk list. Most can grasp that I think. I seriously doubt it would be advertised in a negative “what could have been” manner. Common sense says not to do that for me. I mean “IF IF IF”. 3rd gen Firehawks dont roll across BJ or Mecum though. They are snagged elsewhere I believe. Not many are bought and or sold publicly I don't believe. I think they stay top secret somehow in the Firehawk world. You cant buy them for 40k. Not a low mile real car. They are worth big money. One in this shape I believe will bring 80s if not over 100. I could be wrong on that. You gotta factor in inflation too. This car was 26,000 new. I believe. Everything can be marketed as some point is some shape form or fashion. So can this #18 car that had no whereabouts until last month.

BizJetTech

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IMO, and you may hear this from BJ and Mecum as well......you cant market this car as a 92 SLP Firehawk....because it's not.
You can however, market it as a rare (production numbers) 92 Formula B4U & 1LE with A/C and IMO, the value would increase if you have all the documentation with the car such as
the window sticker, invoice, build sheet, etc. Your best bet is to contact BJ and Mecum and discuss further with them if you intend to sell it.

But like we keep asking you......post some pics here first
Also, IMO......a real, genuine, documented, 92 SLP Firehawk in pristine condition would sell for well over $100,000.....possibly over $200K.....it's anyones best guess and the market is crazy for these cars

Ulukslo

The car is not a Firehawk. So….not sure why anyone would want to market it as a Firehawk. Its the #18 car on the Firehawk list. As Ive said several times here. If it was a Firehawk I would not have came to this forum asking for Identification help.

Aaron R.

I put an aftermarket cupholder in my Russet camaro. It is now 1 of 1. I'm so happy increasing its rarity was that easy. Too bad I'm not selling it.

LeonardS

I would like to see a copy of the window sticker if it was $26,000 without the Firehawk conversion. That sounds high to me.

BizJetTech

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Very good point

Ulukslo

Thats what he thinks his dad paid. I will see if he can find window sticker.

86blackiroc

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Yes, it's car #18 on the Firehawk list, but here's the thing... it's not a Firehawk and is not related to any Firehawk cars. It just has a neat "almost a Firehawk" story. The car itself is only rare due to the option combo.

I don't think anyone is saying it's not a rare and desirable car, because it is. But it doesn't have nearly the importance level of a Firehawk. A rare combination of options doesn't necessarily make it any more important of a car. For example, I have an extremely rare ZR2 Blazer that is equipped with a 5 speed and is only 2wd. It would be much more desirable if it was 4x4, which is what most were. It's very cool that it's so odd, but it is just that... odd.

Forgive me for using a lowly S10 Blazer as an example, but it's useful in making my point. In no way shape or form was I comparing my Blazer to your Formula.

Ulukslo

Look at it how you want to bud. Your opinion only matters to you I guess. If its not related at all then why is it #18? Why would a Firehawk enthusiast want to buy it? Why is your blazer not #28? Why is a Firehawk enthusiast not trying to buy your 5 speed blazer? Lmao. I never said it was a Firehawk. Nobody here has. Nobody has said it was worth what a Firehawk is worth. NOBODY! Nobody here thinks that. Not me. Not the owner. Not anyone. Im no longer asking what the car is worth. Post your opinion all day. I know what he would pay. That gives me a preeettttyyyy good idea. The car is a 1LE car yes. Its also a B4U car. Show me another one. Ill wait. Nobody can even produce the #23 car thats just like it except black. So….rare it is. Valuable….it is. Desirable….it is. Worth same as a Firehawk…..its not. Its not worth 100k. We all know that.

86blackiroc

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Well, you evidently missed my point entirely. Yes, my opinion may only matter to me, but your opinion may only matter to you. See how that works? It's a two-way street. You started a thread wanting information and thoughts. Many people have given their thoughts and you have dismissed them. Maybe your thread should have been titled "I discovered this cool car and I want everyone to agree with me how cool it is".

I obviously have no business here and I'll see myself out now.

Ulukslo

I didnt realize just how cool it was until I came here. So glad I did. Also glad I reached on further than here. Im just glad its not a rare 5 speed blazer.

battmann

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What has someone offered to pay for this car?? If it’s anything over $30k the owner should take it and run.

Ulukslo

Glad you feel that way. Everyone on the forum can agree with you. Doesn't change anything.

86blackiroc

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Again your ignorance is showing. And now you are insulting other peoples' vehicles. Which again, was used as an example and NOT a comparison. If it's so great in other places than here, why are you still here?

Ulukslo

I thought you were leaving? You don't have to get so butt hurt. I never insulted your vehicle. I said Im glad its not a 5 speed blazer. And I AM. You brought the blazer into it and didn't wanna compare them. Geez dude get outta here if all you wanna do is fuss. You literally said the car has nowhere near the importance as I think it does. Then compared it to your 5 speed Blazer. Lololol. Keep it up. Try to get the post deleted. I know thats your point. Or your point is to get me to agree with you about how the car is unimportant in the Firehawk world while I have a Firehawk owner telling me the opposite. Please let me choose whom to believe that they know better than you. Thanks. Btw I doubt Im as ignorant as you believe. Keep throwing your shots though.

86blackiroc

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Lol, OK cheif. You just keep making yourself look worse. I'm definitely out now, no need to worry. Ignorance most always gets the last word and I'm sure you will have yours.

dmccain

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RedLeader289

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Nothing helpful has come of this thread started by someone who doesn’t own a car that’s not for sale trying to figure out it’s history and worth.

vinny R

Does anyone know what a Firehawk went for in 92? My 91 vert, trim package 2 with an automatic trans was almost 24K. The convertible conversion was from what I can tell close to 5K option. $26K does sound very high as for just a 1LE package. My buddy has a 1992 G92 5 speed Z28. His car is short the big brake option of the 1LE. The sticker for his car was right around 20K. If the red Formula was sold new @ the dealer that sounds like he paid for the Firehawk/SLP conversion but never received it? Sounds like the dealer did not remove the Firehawk option? Maybe the dealer could not as it is in the RPO code. That would be odd to pay for the conversion but not get it.

Ulukslo

I kinda thought the same thing when he said 26,000. I thought the car would be around 20,000. I thought a Firehawk was just shy of 30,000. I have never researched that though it was just my thinking it and could be wrong.

DIGGLER

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Pay the right people at the auction $10k to talk it up and hype up all their wealthy regular collectors as being a true golden unicorn for a few months before it rolls across the stage and it might bring $100k or whatever. i kinda think thats how that stuff works to be honest.

aside from that, i can see someone with some firehawks in a collection already might want this one. (if it is #18) whether or not it was converted doesnt matter as long as its #18.
a friend of mine just got his uncles 90 zr1 going again. it had 3,200 miles on it. fuel pumps were trashed and tank was full of rust and gunk. we changed those out and it ran again albeit poorly. he wound up fixing a few other things but i cant remember what now. not the end of the world for this car either.

Ulukslo

Just as a side note as it is on this information list this car is referred to (B4U Firehawk #18). These are just words I know but…..Its still called #18 Firehawk by whomever made this list.

BizJetTech

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Info from the archives on 92 Firehawks.............I'm sure there is LOTS more if you take the time to search
This is the best site hands down for this information !!

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/hist...awk-20-up.html

Ulukslo

[QUOTE=BizJetTech;6477322]Info from the archives on 92 Firehawks.............I'm sure there is LOTS more if you take the time to search
This is the best site hands down for this information !!

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/hist...awk-20-up.html[/QUOTE

I found out today that a new base model Firehawk sold for around 40k $.

TTOP350

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Base price of 39,999.99 pretty much.
I have a ton of pictures and info on these cars I've dug up over the years while collecting parts to build my clone/tribute. I actually spent the weekend with Reg Harris, Jim Mattison, Bruce Hawkins, OKFOZ and a few others that know a thing or 5 about these cars.

here is some more info, head down the rabbit hole, its fun.
https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cul...1992-firebird/

okfoz

Please do not force me to lock this thread.
Facts:
1) It has the B4U RPO for a Firehawk
2) It IS a 1LE with Air Conditioning
3) It is ONLY Red Formula with the B4U RPO that was not converted to the Firehawk.

What to do with the car? I have mentioned it before, if I had the car I would gather all of the parts to convert it to a Firehawk. Just the parts themselves are hard to come by, and many of the smaller parts would need to be reproduced, It would not be a cheap process and it would not happen in a year or two, it would probably take about 5 years of searching and looking and creating. Just the Wheels themselves would be expensive, not ANY Ronal Wheel, I would say you need a real set of Firehawk Wheels, you would need 4 of the 900 which were sold by SLP aftermarket, AND they would need to be the ones with the Firehawk Logo.

It begs the question, would you rebuild it and make it into a Firehawk, or just have the parts and never assemble it?

I know some serious firehawk people that would put some serious coin to buy this particular car.

LeonardS

Now we’re getting somewhere. What kind of serious coin are you talking? $50,000, $100,000, $250,000, $500,000. What’s serious coin in the Firehawk community?

okfoz

I made that page

vinny R

Do you think it would be worth more $$$ if you sourced the original SLP parts and did the conversion?

dagwood

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UNBELIEVABLE. I'm super curious now as to what it could be worth, as well.

okfoz

I would not be surprised if someone would pay $35-40K if not more, just because the RPO code. I put my price out there, $20-25K
As for would it be worth "More?" with the T-ram and the ZF trans along with all of the proper equipment. I would say undoubtedly Yes, it would be worth more with all of the parts on it, BUT would it be worth an SLP converted Firehawk? It would have to be exactly correct for that to happen, The up side is what "correct" is for a firehawk is technically difficult to pin down because many of them were unique. If you wanted an Aluminum Block 383, SLP would do that for you. Number 26 actually has a Miniram intake last I heard installed by SLP.

ironwill

You know how auctions go, especially for collector cars---it only takes two guys who want the car................

LeonardS

I would like to see the owner participating in this thread, rather than a friend. He could clean it up, put it on BAT with a crazy reserve and see what happens. Firebirds are not my thing, so for me the value is low, but a Firehawk collector might consider it a must-buy.

BizJetTech

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IMO, depending on condition, it could bring
over $60K because it's a 92 B4U with 1LE and it's "story" lets face it, it's a very rare car even NOT being an authentic Firehawk

ironwill

I tend to go along with your view. With 1LE/AC, it's certainly a rare 3rd gen, but the dollar value in the missing B4U conversion can only be determined by the guy who wants to buy the car and has cash in hand.

While I'm no fan of the mega-$$$ collector-car auctions, I'd still be curious to see what this specific car would bring.

okfoz

IMO The car would need to be properly detailed to really get a feeling for what it would be worth. No throwing it up on BAT without a wash etc...

vinny R

[QUOTE=ironwill;6477398]I tend to go along with your view. With 1LE/AC, it's certainly a rare 3rd gen, but the dollar value in the missing B4U conversion can only be determined by the guy who wants to buy the car and has cash in hand.

So what if the conversation gets done as Okfoz has stated with the correct parts? Does it become an authentic FireHawk? It has the proper code and is on the list. IMHO I think so and also think it would bring very close if not the same $$$ as if #18 was converted back when it should have and continue what is a really cool story to a very unique 3rd gen .

LeonardS

Yes, someone needs to spend an entire week cleaning this car up. You can see what kind of care it has had for many years.

okfoz

I spent 3 weeks on my 89, and it turned out really pretty good. Not perfect, but presentable. this car looks like it would be a similar thing, just detailing it, maybe a paint correction and the whole nine yards.

dagwood

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I wonder if it runs???

LeonardS

I would bet that it needs a fuel pump! You can guess how I know that

LeonardS

Im retired, so I could do it in a week

Ulukslo

The owner would NEVER have known any of this had I not been on the Firehawk pages looking at numbers. Hes in shock that its really the car #18. I would never have realized it had he not told me the story of the car. The car needs a fuel pump. I thought I said that early in the thread. The car was started 7-8 years ago and ran fine. Thats about 8 years worth of dust. Some say convert it. Some say leave it alone. Thats serious collectors words too. There are lots of options out there. The parts can be obtained I am being told. Just as stated on here. My opinion is this car with every part laying around it to convert it would be worth close to 3 digits. Converted even more. The owner wont be on here. So that ones out the door. Im thankful for the positive feedback I got here finally. I knew this would not be a 18k$ regular Formula. Collector confirmed about a week after I made this post. If the car was for sale for 25k. Id buy it. Im no dummy as though some may say. Firehawk.org numbers had a huge hand in finding this car. Had not been for those list I would never have realized it could be the car.

okfoz

To get the correct parts, or have them made, I was told it could cost $50,000

JT

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I know opinions vary. Converting the car to a Firehawk, to me, is somewhat like over-restoring a car. The car has the code but never got the conversion. That's the car's story. The car's value is largely in the condition and mileage with the story and RPO adding to it. Of course putting real Firehawk parts on the car would increase the value, to some degree, because the parts are valued, expensive, and difficult to obtain. But that's not how the car left the factory or dealership and it's messing with the setting, so to speak. I suppose it can all be reverted back.

Like it or not, the car does have value. People collect and/or value just about anything. From toilet paper to errors on coins. So it's reasonable to believe this car has some value above a non-B4U equivalent.