battmann

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unfortunately we'll never know what the market will bear for this car because it isn't for sale.
i know 1LE with A/C is rare, but you'd have to find that one certain person willing to shell out a ton of money for that specific option combination. IMHO it doesn't seem like that is something most collectors would be interested in.
Camaros are more desirable. i'm a Pontiac guy and i'll admit Birds don't get as much love. there's threads on TGO about more desirable, ultra low mileage cars (ones with a few hundred to a couple thousand miles) selling for about what you think this car is worth. at that price range, people are going to chose to buy another car over this one.

Aaron R.

You beat me to it. Definitely smelling clay bar residue....

LeonardS

And once again, it’s from a person that doesn’t own the car.

dmccain

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Low mileage L98 Formula with A/C and good brakes...Great car, not the holy grail

QwkTrip

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This would be an ideal car to make a Firehawk clone.... @TTOP350

TTOP350

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I have a better idea of what to do with it and have pm'd him to let me know if it ever comes up for sale.

Big&BadGTA

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...I'd be tempted to make it a KITT clone.

TTOP350

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QwkTrip

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Psychiatrists are expensive but it might be worth it in your case.

CKone

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I’d put it at an easy 35-40k. Basically just deduct the MSRP Firehawk options cost, add inflation and there you go. Really not sure what’s so hard to figure out here guys. It literally states B4U/1LE. This one checks all the boxes for me.

okfoz

It is a 1LE Formula with Air Conditioning... It is a cool find. If it was mine, I would take the car and install all of the Firehawk stuff on it.

Ulukslo

Little dusty but she will shine up good!

LeonardS

At least he takes good care of it

BizJetTech

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Drew, I can always count on you for a great laugh........"clay bar residue"

BizJetTech

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is it just me or does this pic look like a really poor photo-shop edited pic?

Ulukslo

Its just you. I blurred out all his surrounding garage stuff. I mean really? Why am I gonna photoshop this pic?

vinny R

It Is Biz, looks like they isolated the car and just blurred the background, maybe something they don't want you to see back there.
For what this car is I would think it would be better cared for but hey to each his own.

Ulukslo

As of a month ago the car was just a red low miles Formula that he got as a 16 year old kid. Its got dust on it. Literally just needs washing. The value of the car has climbed tremendously with the knowledge of some guys on this forum. Im appreciative of their help for my friend! The value of the car to some is still “its just a regular Formula “. Lol lets just say hes gonna have to put some better insurance on the car now. I hate this post reached “clay bar residue “ but I sure am glad I came here for a couple positive inputs from knowledgeable Firehawk guys!! Thanks guys ….. you know who you are!

BizJetTech

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IMO, as a long time owner / collector of these cars, having bought new ones off the dealer showroom floor, it's a low mile 92 Formula which has low production numbers in general (and as optioned) with a unique back story.
The value a potential buyer places on that back story will vary. Having said that, if it were for sale, I'm sure it would bring good $$$ but nothing even close to authentic genuine Firehawk $$$ - Good luck

Ulukslo

Thanks for your input! So in your opinion what is a 1000 mile genuine Firehawk gonna bring in American dollars? Say 1000 miles on it.

BizJetTech

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I have not seen one sell recently, maybe someone else here has - I found this "high bid" from back in 2014 https://www.mecum.com/lots/CH1014-19...tiac-firehawk/
I doubt you'll find one with 1000 miles on it - Bruce Hawkins at Hawks Motorsports is very knowledgeable on these cars as are others on this forum - I believe Bruce has several Firehawks from 3rd and 4th gen

LeonardS

I think you mean with 11,000 miles, not 1,000. Also, how else would we price it than with American dollars? Yen anyone

okfoz

I think for starters this is NOT a Firehawk, it just has the RPO for a Firehawk, which in itself is a neat thing. What it is tho, is a 1LE and it has A/C. Personally I would probably pay as much as $20-25K for the car with 11K miles, if it was in tip-top shape, no rust, and is in running order.
In order to convert it to a true Firehawk, one would need to hunt down the correct parts which in itself will be a task, many parts would have to be manufactured. My bet would be at LEAST $30K into it for the conversion, and then you would have something, worth around $50K possibly, but being it was one of the 2 cancelled cars, and not technically built by SLP, would it have the same Credence as the real thing? Would someone be willing to pay Firehawk prices for a car that was not converted by SLP? Or would it just be a neat 1LE/AC car?

BizJetTech

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IMO, it's just a neat 1LE with A/C and low miles.....but who knows the condition without at least seeing a LOT more pics? Especially of the underside....
I've seen my share of "low mile" originals that are in pretty bad shape

okfoz

Agreed, $20-25 would have to be a VERY rust free car, in VERY nice condition, where I did not have to do any paint.

TTOP350

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Yes. A Few, some current, some past owners. They don't post a lot or check the forums a lot.
Like a lot of people, they are to busy with life

Ulukslo

I know Ive not got good pics yet but its a southern car. Has been its whole life. One owner. The underside will look like a 11,000 mile southern car. Zero rust. Practically same as it did new just add in a dingy minor road film. It hasn't seen sun or rain in decades. Very few trips in the rain. It will be in great shape. Its an AL car its whole life. Pavement princess.

QwkTrip

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For your benefit.... my car sat 17 years (in a much cleaner garage) and I let dust build up on it and that was a big mistake. The dust kind of bonded with the paint and the surface felt gritty after washing. I'll never let a car sit dirty again. Took a professional 12 hours to clean up the paint.

Also FYI - my car needed a complete mechanical rebuild after sitting 17 years. Cars that sit die inside.

topduarte

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Pavement princess? Never heard that before but I doubt that.

Down here in Texas you would be chastised or called a "*******" if you called your car a pavement princess.

Ulukslo

Down there in Texas is where these boys have came and took all that cash in no prep races and brought it back home. Over 60k$ to be exact. Because you disagree or never heard something “down there in Texas” doesn't mean your right. It was a figure of speech that obviously you didnt grasp. We are all car guys. Not some bunch of morons that sit on our *** and don't know cars inside and out. We build and fix our own ****. The most the car will need is gas tank cleaning, a fuel pump/ maybe injectors and possibly brake hose ends and flushing the fuel system. Its not rocket science ya know. Or maybe you don't who knows. I love the negativity on here lol. Jut try to get that car value low as possible in case it comes up for sale. Lmao the offers and interest that has already been shown in this car is waaaay above anything anyone here thinks and its not really been publicly advertised. I can only imagine if it was on a good platform. But hey….its just a low mile formula pavement princess.

BizJetTech

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and so it begins.............DREW, where are you?

RedLeader289

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This is right up there with the old "theoretical racing" threads.

"Ok but if we started from a dig could my v6 auto firebird with 1 slick (on the wheel that always spins) beat my cousin's roommate's girlfriend's civic with a cold air intake???????///???"

okfoz

I have seen dust and dirt destroy a paint job on a car, it was left uncovered for about 20 years and it was almost like the dirt and dust sucked the oils out of the paint. It caused all sorts of paint issues, and it is just on the top surfaces, The sides of the car look great.

QwkTrip

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Everybody get out their Audubon Field Guide to see if you can identify the animal by its tracks.

vinny R

"I can only imagine if it was on a good platform."

Why would you come to a crappy forum for advice?

Ulukslo

I came here for a few certain members. Funny how those few members were the only ones that gave good info and advice. Rest were just negative about everything. Its really ok though. There ARE better platforms for sure. Never really said this one was bad.

BizJetTech

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IMO, this is the premiere GM 3rd Gen F-body forum - period -
and with regard to this particular car, there is more expertise here than any other dedicated 3rd gen forum I know of.

I'm curious, why do you say "rest were just negative about everything" ?
I think you just did not like or agree with all the comments, that does not mean they were "negative"

Anyway, I'd like to see more of this car, possibly some more pics and info. I think we ALL would welcome that.

battmann

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Maybe I missed it but what’s the end game of this thread? Are you just trying to figure out the car’s history for the current owner, trying to figure out its value for the current owner, helping the owner sell at top dollar, trying to purchase the car for yourself, something else??

Ulukslo

The thread title says : Need help identifying this car. That has been accomplished thanks to a couple members. Ive said multiple times the car is not for sale. I was just curious on the value. I have however received that info elsewhere. Its all opinions though. Some just seem more educated on the matter than others. Thats not a bad thing I dont guess. Just facts. I came here to see if it was #18 on the Firehawk list. That was the whole purpose.

battmann

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Gotcha. Thanks

Aaron R.

I like the cat tracks on the paint and glass and all the junk piled around the car. That shouldn't have caused any problems in the decades it's been in storage.

Aaron R.

Good luck with that.

topduarte

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This thread has become worthless. No longer going to look at it.

I think the OP is just wanting attention or wants us to use "pavement princess" as the name of our thirdgens.

dagwood

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As a 30 year fanatic of these cars, and having owned around 50 of them, and some being low mile and a couple somewhat rare examples....I'd say the value of this car is maybe $25,000. It's a 1LE with A/C, so that's pretty neat, and the only way I'd ever buy a 1LE. The car's story is cool, and would be a fun conversation topic with other car guys, but I really don't see that adding to the value of the car. Everything that makes a Firehawk a Firehawk, and rare and desirable, is missing on this car. It ALMOST became something really, REALLY AWESOME..........but unfortunately, it didn't. If anything, this car made the Firehawk's even more valuable since there were less built. It's the modifications that made the cars valuable. This car is kind of like having a SPID decal with a mistake on it. I bet the owner wishes like hell that it HAD been converted.....then he'd have something rare, desirable, and valuable. I mean, it's still a badass car, but it's a low mile 1LE Formula with A/C and really nothing more. It's not a long lost Firehawk that just surfaced after decades of people trying to find it. The car order was canceled, therefore I don't really think anyone was looking for it at all, or even cared. I mean, why would they? It didn't become anything. It's kind of a huge bummer, really, knowing what it COULD have been.

Just my $.02

Ulukslo

Thanks for your .02! The car has been lost though and the car HAS been looked for by a major enthusiast. So your dead wrong on that part. You may be right on the money for most normal people. Not everyones pockets are deep though. Some will give more than others. Some can. Some cant. I do appreciate your opinion though along with the kind words. The story on the car is really really cool if you know the entire thing. Hence why it probably wont ever be for sale. Im gonna help him get it out and cleaned up soon as we get a chance. This kinda lit a little fire under him. Hopefully it’ll happen pretty soon.

BizJetTech

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Ulukslo

Out of your 50 cars what was the rarest and were any of them 3rd gen Firehawks?

IROCIN

I know some of the answers you have gotten, you have not liked, some you have. I've been on this site for 4 years, which is a relative newbie compared to most of these folks. Scanning thru the thread, you have gotten input from the best of the best on here. It would be hard for me to believe that there is a better forum for these cars and information on them. Hopefully you guys revive the car and it cleans up as you hope....we shall see. Regardless, cool car and cool story......good luck!

dagwood

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No Firehawks. Had an 88 IROC-Z convertible that was a G92, 5 speed car. They estimate maybe 50 were built. Also a 1990 IROC-Z, G92, 5 speed. 1 of 295 built. As for 4th gen I had a 99 SS Convertible, Hugger Orange with white top and white leather. 1 of 18 built.

I honestly think that if an enthusiast was "looking" for the #18 Firehawk that didn't get built, it was probably more of a curiosity thing. The bottom line is that the car did not receive the modifications that add value to the car. And don't get me wrong....like I said it's still a badass car, but it's value lies in it being a 1LE Formula with low miles.....not because it didn't turn into something special. I consider a Firehawk to be an "exotic" car......because of the parts that make them that way. The 91 and 92 birds are my FAVORITES, too! But anyone that's gonna fork out big cash for a "Firehawk" is going to buy a REAL Firehawk.

Ulukslo

Cool!! Those are all awesome cars.

Yes the Firehawks are rare and awesome cars. I have reached out to other people besides on this forum. As I said in a previous post. The actual Firehawk owners have a different opinion than you. Its only worth what your willing to give. Also there is no “if” for the enthusiast that said he had looked for this car for several years to buy. Im not a liar and I don't believe he is either. He actually spoke up first and has first dibs if the car becomes for sale. We are all entitled to our own opinions here but the opinion of this car from elsewhere is that it does have a value for being a 1LE Formula with air but it is on the Firehawk list. No matter how you twist it. Its on it. Theres not another red car that any of you have owned that can say that. Its 1 of 1. Those are not MY words either. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't make me an idiot or a fool like some on here think. I know you don't think that but I think one maybe two do. I could care less. Lol I do promise though that I will for sure let you know if your right or wrong on the final value IF we ever really find out. Maybe this car will be obvious front and center one day and you will all realize its place in the Firehawk list because its VIN and RPO code is listed on the Firehawk list. Ignore that fact all you want. It’s important to others evidently. Just not on here. Imagine owning the cars that sat in line with it at SLP and running across this one. Being able to have a car that fits between the two. Would be even better story imop. Thats just an opinion though like all these post have been. Thanks for your input though. Im a 4th gen guy. Ive built them bought them raced them tuned them and know every dang bolt and nut on them. The 99 HOSS is a cool car. Esp being topless. I just sold my 20k mile 1SC 01 z28. HT and roll up window car with no TC. SOM in color also. Loved it but was time for it to go. Hope I didnt come off as being a smart *** to ya. I know how typed out words are hard to read at times for the emotions in them.
I grew up with a guy that had a 5 speed red IROC. It was 5.0 Tune port and I went back years later to try to buy it and it was gone. It was very low miles. Maybe 25k. Had some sun damage from sitting. Wish I had jumped on it earlier. I cant rem the year but I think 90 maybe. Woulda been an AL car on title.