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Old 01-18-2020, 01:24 PM
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How rare was my GTA?

I'm just curious if there was a way to fund out how rare my old 1988 GTA was. I'm thinking about going on the hunt to find the car, again. I sold it 22 years ago. Anyways, the car was optioned like none I ever see...

1988 GTA. Ordered with the 305 TPI, auto. Digital dash, grey leather, t-tops. Bright red. It had everything except the 5.7 and subwoofer stereo. Was this car rare at all? I never, EVER see t tops, leather, AND digital dash together. Here's a pic of the car, and a pic of the window sticker.



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Not rare, No way to break down how many cars were optioned like yours
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Just seems weird that NONE ever surface with leather, t tops, and digital dash. I look at GTA's for sale all the time.....and have been looking for years...
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Can anyone run a carfax for me? Like I said I would like to track down the car. VIN# 1G2FW21F8JL242675 Thanks
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IMO, not really "rare".....but indeed somewhat low production numbers comparatively speaking

3439 LB9 GTA's in 1988
3014 GTA's had TTops in 1988
6200 GTA's in 1988 with Digital Dash
970 Grey Leather GTA's & T/A's

IMO, no way to tell how many 88 GTA's built with all those options together on the same car

This data is from Robert Casey's book "All 1982-1992 Pontiac Firebird colors & Quantities"
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BTW - I know a guy that just picked up a twin to your old car - mint and ultra low miles as well - I can give you his contact
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BTW - I know a guy that just picked up a twin to your old car - mint and ultra low miles as well - I can give you his contact
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Thanks man. You can PM me the info if you like. I kinda want to see if I can find my old one, first.
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Just seems weird that NONE ever surface with leather, t tops, and digital dash. I look at GTA's for sale all the time.....and have been looking for years...
ill keep an eye out for it .. i just did a quick search and only found like 2 or 3 with leather , t tops and digital dash so the production numbers for them options were probably pretty low ..
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ill keep an eye out for it .. i just did a quick search and only found like 2 or 3 with leather , t tops and digital dash so the production numbers for them options were probably pretty low ..
I have seen 1 other one in person, and it had Bose and the 5.7 as well. But that was back in the early 90's. Yeah those options together seem to be few and far between.
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Keep us updated on the search for your original 88!
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Keep us updated on the search for your original 88!
I will! Hopefully the car hasn't met the crusher. I bought it with 28k miles and sold it with 60 some thousand if I remember right. The car was SOOOO nice when I sold it. I traded it in on a 2 year old Chevy pickup, and the dude that bought it looked me up. He seemed really cool and took really good care of his stuff. It would be cool if he still had it. I remember his name but I can't find any contact info for him
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Considering the 970 production number posted above for grey leather, I'd say that after 32 years it would be very rare. Was it an automatic too? I may be wrong, but I thought that 5.0 GTAs were often 5-speeds, the 5.0 being required to get a 5-speed GTA. An automatic would make this kind of unusual. Although I guess the 5.0 was required for GTA t-tops too.

Narrowing down that 970 cars to only ones produced with the 5.0 and the digital dash, well, even in 1988 that's a pretty rare car when new. That doesn't mean more valuable, since there are probably few people looking for a Firebird that would limit themselves to such specific parameters. But in 2020 if you can find it, I think you'd have a very unique vehicle.

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Any luck with the CarFax? If not, do you know a police officer or someone at the Motor Vehicle Office? They can’t tell you who owns the vehicle, but they may tell you if it’s still Titled/Registered and in what State.
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Any luck with the CarFax? If not, do you know a police officer or someone at the Motor Vehicle Office? They can’t tell you who owns the vehicle, but they may tell you if it’s still Titled/Registered and in what State.
No luck, yet. I think Chazman has a carfax acct....maybe I'll shoot him a text
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I have seen 1 other one in person, and it had Bose and the 5.7 as well. But that was back in the early 90's. Yeah those options together seem to be few and far between.
this one has your options , the others i found with those 3 options had the 5.7
https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0115-20...-trans-am-gta/
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Can anyone run a carfax for me? Like I said I would like to track down the car. VIN# 1G2FW21F8JL242675 Thanks
dam , thought i found it but wrong vin .. twin to your car
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Chazman ran the carfax for me. Nothing has appeared since 2015....and it was in Bagley, MN. I found a dude there with the same name that bought the car after I traded it in, and it's less than an hour away from the town I traded it in to. I'd bet he still has it...
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dam , thought i found it but wrong vin .. twin to your car
How much? Pics??
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Chazman ran the carfax for me. Nothing has appeared since 2015....and it was in Bagley, MN. I found a dude there with the same name that bought the car after I traded it in, and it's less than an hour away from the town I traded it in to. I'd bet he still has it...
Ahh, the magic of the internet. I bet someone out there is trying to find my Formula since it was theirs from 90-94 (only years I have no record of on the car)! I keep waiting for that contact.lol

You going to go try to get it? 5 years of no activity? No registration renewals either? Doesn't necessarily mean anything, but usually not a good sign in my experience.
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Re: How rare was my GTA?

Originally Posted by dagwood
I'm just curious if there was a way to fund out how rare my old 1988 GTA was. I'm thinking about going on the hunt to find the car, again. I sold it 22 years ago. Anyways, the car was optioned like none I ever see...

1988 GTA. Ordered with the 305 TPI, auto. Digital dash, grey leather, t-tops. Bright red. It had everything except the 5.7 and Bose stereo. Was this car rare at all? I never, EVER see t tops, leather, AND digital dash together. Here's a pic of the car, and a pic of the window sticker.
Bose? And the 5.7L with T-Tops? Can tell you're a Camaro guy.

As stated above, there is no known records of how many with X, Y and Z for 1988. Compnine, which is normally used for this, doesn't cover us prior to about 1989 and older unless it's an export. And that is a small fraction of the figures.

BTW, you probably know this but you could not get the 5.7L and T-Tops on the GTA or Trans Am in 1988. Some C&C aftermarkets are out there but T-Tops and 5.7 in 1988 on the Trans Am/GTA was N/A. So if you wanted T-Tops, you had to get the credit and downgrade from the standard 5.7 to the 5.0. Also, according to Frankie's figures that he obtained for the GTASourcepage, the digital dash option accounts for just over half of all 1988 GTAs. It was popular.

The UQ7 subwoofer was really the only extra stereo option. They all had the UT4 radio.
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Bose? And the 5.7L with T-Tops? Can tell you're a Camaro guy.

As stated above, there is no known records of how many with X, Y and Z for 1988. Compnine, which is normally used for this, doesn't cover us prior to about 1989 and older unless it's an export. And that is a small fraction of the figures.

BTW, you probably know this but you could not get the 5.7L and T-Tops on the GTA or Trans Am in 1988. Some C&C aftermarkets are out there but T-Tops and 5.7 in 1988 on the Trans Am/GTA was N/A. So if you wanted T-Tops, you had to get the credit and downgrade from the standard 5.7 to the 5.0. Also, according to Frankie's figures that he obtained for the GTASourcepage, the digital dash option accounts for just over half of all 1988 GTAs. It was popular.

The UQ7 subwoofer was really the only extra stereo option. They all had the UT4 radio.
It had the "gain" stereo slider thing on the dash, and had the weird speakers in the sail panels. I was thinking it was a Bose thing, but must not have been.

No factory t top GTA's in 88 with the 5.7????
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Re: How rare was my GTA?

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No factory t top GTA's in 88 with the 5.7????
Yup, definitely a Camaro guy.
BTW I say that in jest.

Yeah, no T-Tops in 1988 on the GTA or Trans Am if you got the 5.7L. Unless, like I said, they were aftermarket C&C. 1989 was the year you could get the 5.7L and T-Tops from the factory on the GTA or Trans Am. There might be something if it was a Canada export, as that was the loophole in 1987.
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Yup, definitely a Camaro guy.
BTW I say that in jest.

Yeah, no T-Tops in 1988 on the GTA or Trans Am if you got the 5.7L. Unless, like I said, they were aftermarket C&C. 1989 was the year you could get the 5.7L and T-Tops from the factory on the GTA or Trans Am. There might be something if it was a Canada export, as that was the loophole in 1987.
Huh. I wonder if my buddies that I saw was an 89, then. I didn't think the digital dash was available in 89, though....and his definitely had it.

I guess it's possible that it had c&c t tops.....
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Dagwood - you better stick to those Camaro's and leave the GTA, T/A and Formula's to use oddball Pontiac guys.....LOL

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Dagwood - you better stick to those Camaro's and leave the GTA, T/A and Formula's to use oddball Poncontiac guys.....LOL
Boy, I guess lol
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Boy, I guess lol
You know I'm just teasing you....
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I had an 87 GTA, too, with the 5.7 and t tops. And they WERE the c&c t tops. I had no clue that you couldn't get them from the factory that way....

I had both GTA's at the same time back in 1997 when I was in college...


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How much? Pics??
probably a old *** ad
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Well it's cheap enough! It's super close to my old one, but it appears to have cloth seats by what little you actually see from the pics
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Well it's cheap enough! It's super close to my old one, but it appears to have cloth seats by what little you actually see from the pics
says leather
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says leather
It's how ya read it. I think he means it has the leather t top storage bag. He didnt punctuate at all, lol

The pic definitely looks like cloth seats.

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I had an 87 GTA, too, with the 5.7 and t tops. And they WERE the c&c t tops. I had no clue that you couldn't get them from the factory that way....

I had both GTA's at the same time back in 1997 when I was in college...

Two GTA’s while in college? Lol.

is that a 2OTL on the red one I see?
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Chazman ran the carfax for me. Nothing has appeared since 2015....and it was in Bagley, MN. I found a dude there with the same name that bought the car after I traded it in, and it's less than an hour away from the town I traded it in to. I'd bet he still has it...

if it’s of any inspiration, I found the 88 Scottsdale k2500 my parents bought in July of ‘89. Ran a carfax so I knew it was up in Redding, CA. Did a Craigslist search and happened to find it in September of 2011, roughly 12 years after they traded it in to buy a new 99 Dodge Grand Caravan. Haven’t touched it much since then but I’m bringing it out to Utah in the spring to finally get it driving again! Good luck!

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Two GTA’s while in college? Lol.

is that a 2OTL on the red one I see?

Yep, both in college, lol. I had a white 91 Mustang GT convertible, too, and a 1968 Firebird. My Dad had a wheat harvest crew that I went on every summer, plus helping on the family farm, so I made pretty good money and always blew it all on cars lol. I bought the Mustang and the flame red GTA to flip. I did that a LOT

The red one had a 3" Flowmaster cat back with left side single exhaust. I had a custom tip made at an exhaust shop that split the 3" exhaust into a twin outlet. I really liked the look of it.

It also had a Hypertech chip and Aircharger, custom ram air setup, torque converter lockup harness, and a 100hp NOS kit. And about $3 grand worth of custom stereo. I loved that car!!!


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heres one for sale but pretty beat
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another beat one
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Yep, she needs some TLC. I bet it runs good, though! Those are the C&C aftermarket t-tops....she left the factory as a hard top

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Considering the 970 production number posted above for grey leather, I'd say that after 32 years it would be very rare. Was it an automatic too? I may be wrong, but I thought that 5.0 GTAs were often 5-speeds, the 5.0 being required to get a 5-speed GTA. An automatic would make this kind of unusual. Although I guess the 5.0 was required for GTA t-tops too.

Narrowing down that 970 cars to only ones produced with the 5.0 and the digital dash, well, even in 1988 that's a pretty rare car when new. That doesn't mean more valuable, since there are probably few people looking for a Firebird that would limit themselves to such specific parameters. But in 2020 if you can find it, I think you'd have a very unique vehicle.
Yep, it was an automatic.
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Re: How rare was my GTA?

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this one has your options , the others i found with those 3 options had the 5.7
https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0115-20...-trans-am-gta/

So the others that have the 5.7 engine have to have the aftermarket t-tops.

See what I mean? These are about impossible to find, factory optioned, lol.

The black one looks to be a legit car, with the factory options. So far, that's 1....

I'd like to see what BizJetTech's buddy has...
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First one was a hard top, fitted with aftermarket t-tops.

The second one has had different seats put in it. So, we don't know if it was a factory leather car without seeing the SPID. The way the odds are....I'm gonna bet it was a cloth car.
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http://www.2040-cars.com/pontiac/tra...owner--504284/

Here is a legit one...
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So far that's only 2 found that we know are legit cars from the factory with those options. U52 B20 CC1 LB9

I found one on a thread here in the for sale section, but it was a 5 speed and it'd had an interior swap with a 91-92 car....so who knows if it left the factory with leather or not
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Can anyone run a carfax for me? Like I said I would like to track down the car. VIN# 1G2FW21F8JL242675 Thanks
I will run an esperian check tomorrow. Similar to a Carfax and sometimes will show info Carfax don't.
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I will run an esperian check tomorrow. Similar to a Carfax and sometimes will show info Carfax don't.

Awesome! Thanks!!
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So my girl friend has family in Pocahontas, not far from you. I usually go up there about once a year. How the heck did you keep that thing clean? If y'all farmed you must have lived on the gravel roads but even the regular roads up there get pretty grimmey.
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So my girl friend has family in Pocahontas, not far from you. I usually go up there about once a year. How the heck did you keep that thing clean? If y'all farmed you must have lived on the gravel roads but even the regular roads up there get pretty grimmey.
I graduated from Humboldt.....only about 20 miles east of Pocahontas! Our farm was on a blacktop road....so my vehicles NEVER saw gravel. I was super **** about my stuff being clean lol
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Awesome! Thanks!!
Computers at work are acting up but so far all I can tell is it was last registered in Bagley MN in 2015.
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Computers at work are acting up but so far all I can tell is it was last registered in Bagley MN in 2015.
Alright man, thank you!
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1988
Y84 GTA total - 11,218
81U - 2274
CC1 - 3014
UA6 - 7374
C67 - 6289
U52 - 6289
LB9 - 3439

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Re: How rare was my GTA?

My old Flame Red Metallic 1988 GTA had factory T-Tops, Digital Dash, and Leather Medium Beechwood interior. It was also a 5-Speed car to boot.

I would love to have it back, but who knows where it is at this point...

1G2FW21F6JL258602

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