Mystyk_Wynds

I was curious, does anyone know who to go through to get the rpo stickers? Or anything that would tell me if I actually have a "gta"?

I know PHS does not do this for cars as new as mine. I can't remember where they said to go, my email account got hijacked...So I lost all that info.

As far a a window sticker..It seems that these can't be held true as "accurate" from my reading.

blacksunshine'91

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Start here:

http://www.gtasourcepage.com/newauthentication.html

That's your best source of info on verifying your GTA w/o an RPO sheet.

Mystyk_Wynds

I've been there, but, there are too many ways to make these cars appear to be what their not.

My goal is to find out if its an authentic GTA. If not, then I see little reason to sink any money into it beyound maintenance and drivability.

So to me, making sure it is what I bought it under the assumption of it being, is true.

JT

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GM Media Archive will do the invoice for your GTA:
http://www.gmmediaarchive.com/

The invoice will not contain every single RPO code that was on the SPID but it will list some major RPO codes such as the Y84 RPO code for the GTA.

stealtht/a

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Ok, here's the deal with the whole "is it a real GTA" run around.
The RPO is the only way to find out if it's a real GTA. but we know all the items that make a Gta: fenders, badges , seats, etc. So let's say you gave a car that has all the GtA items. Is it a real GTA or did someone swap all the CORRECT GTA items on it? First, what is the probability someone takes a reg trans am and obtains all the relatively rare and expensive parts to put on it in order to fool you into thinking its a real GTA? It won't be worth a significant amount beyond a reg TA anyway. Second, if it has all the GTA parts, then who cares? There's no way to prove RPO codes on non export firebirds older than 90, so it can only be judged as a GTA BY THE EQUIPMENT, therefore if it has GTA equipment , it's a GTA, no way to prove its not.
If you are thinking you only want to restore a genuine GTA because it will be worth more, it won't for this very reason. Can't get a premium for a condition that can't be documented. A GTA with original rpos is worth more than one without because of the original condition, not because it's a GTA. Put a documented original reg TA next to it with the same options and they will be worth the same.
In short , all that matters is that it has the correct equip for a GTA. If you don't have original documentation then no one can say it is or isn't because those records aren't coming back.

JT

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PHS and/or GM Media Archives has access to GM invoices, dating back further than the ThirdGen, that will show major RPOs code for practically any ThirdGen. Therefore, that is a way to verify any ThirdGen GTA as the Y84 RPO code is listed on the invoice that you would receive from PHS and/or GM Media Archives.

Additionally, nearly every option on the GTA (minus the actual badges and non-fender vents) was an option on the Trans Am. The GTA badges are still available through reproduction. The seats that you mention aren't GTA specific despite they were standard on the GTA. They were also available as an option on the Trans Am.

It is Compnine.com, a 3rd party resource, that is restricted to about 1990 and newer ThirdGens unless it's an export.

A copy of the invoice, available through PHS or GM Media Archives, which shows the Y84 RPO option code is enough to prove a GTA from a clone.

stealtht/a

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I had read that pHS will now only do that for older cars?
Maybe I'm wrong but I thought I had seen several people post that GM archives were not always accurate or available for all cars. There seemed to be a lot of selling people what they wanted to hear.
I see posts every day asking to document if it's a real Gta, is it so expensive they aren't buying the GM archives?
Either way it's a moot point, if it's not low mile original enough that you have to research up the documents to prove it, it will never be worth significantly more than any other well equipped third gen.

JT

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PHS does older Pontiacs while GM Media Archives will do newer Pontiacs.

Yes, it is simple as contacting GM Media Archives and providing your VIN and getting a copy of the GM invoice that will show Y84 GTA or not.

This is also echoed on Frankie's GTA Sourcepage:
http://www.gtasourcepage.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=50539

RTGTA

I don't know if it's different in the US but in Canada if you go to a GM dealer with your VIN they should be able to pull a RPO list for you. I couldn't because I have an American car. Worth a shot anyways!

Mystyk_Wynds

The only 3 peculiarities that made me question the authenticity of its status was, the map pocket has a gold bird and performance suspension embroidered on it, (This is ok for later model gtas', not mine), The rpo list in the console is missing, and there are no marks from the emblems on the sail panel (Clear marks on the nose cone and fenders).

Everything else including the door stickers (Indicating rim/tire size and tire type).
To me the value of knowing its authentic raises its value to me.
Its kinda like having a lemans with a gto option vs having the gto itself.

Yeah I believe PHS will only do cars 87(86?) and older.

JT

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According to Frankie from GTASourcePage, who is known to be an expert on GTAs for some decades, the embroidered gold Firebird badge on the map pocket is normal for 1989-1992. It was 1987-1988 that had the embroidered GTA badge.

Missing sail panel emblems or misaligned sail panel emblems is pretty common since they're simply stuck to the body with tape.

Yes, as mentioned, PHS won't do newer cars and that's why you need to use GM Media Archives to get a copy of the GM invoice:
http://www.gmmediaarchive.com/

If you really do want to know if it's a GTA or not, the above will give you the answer. Everything else is a guess.

IMissMy86TA

Very well stated. True so true.

mantaguy

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PHS stops at 86,In a resent email I received from them(another matter)they suggested http://www.gmmediaarchive.com/ for the info That I was acquiring about.

dmccain

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Other than some emblems a GTA is in no way different than a Trans Am. Ive seen em with L03s and manual windows. But in saying that they do seem to have a certain allure to them don't they. Personally my favorite 3rd gen,along with maybe the 82 Z28 pace cars or 89 TTA.

JT

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And GTAs don't have front fender vents. Only way you could get a GTA with manual windows was in 1987. LO3? No. The GTA came standard with the L98 but could be credited for the LB9. Possibly you was looking at someone trying to sell a Trans Am as a GTA if it had the LO3.

dmccain

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Maybe so they are a lot of folks who try to clone them