NufNuffZ28

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In my ever growing quest to know as much about thirdgens as possible, I am turning to dash emblems(kinda weird I know)

What emblem came in what car?

I am mainly concentrating on Z28s and Irocs, but all information would be great.

I know 1990 had Iroc Z28 in yellow
91-92 had Z28 in yellow

My main confusion is the 85-89 Irocs. Some said Z28/Iroc Z or Z28/tuned port injection Iroc/Z28, Z28/5.0 HO, etc

Just want to know what got what!

thanks

Chris

Motown

If you had an IROC-Z, regardless of engine, it said IROC-Z under the Z28 logo.

If you had a TPI car and it was NOT an IROC-Z, then it said Tuned Port Injection.

If you had a 5.0 HO and it was not an IROC-Z, then you got the 5.0 HO emblem.

Crossfire cars had Crossfire emblems.

90-92 cars had yellow emblems.

There may be more that I missed tho...

NufNuffZ28

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OK, the Tuned Port Injection difference I didn't know. I am busy learning

Thank you!

DJP87Z28

1987 IROC-Z28 dash emblem

scottmoyer

Ok, let's see what I can get put together here. If anything is missing or incorrect, prove it to me and we'll get it updated. I'm not trying to be a jerk, but I've heard some say that blue dash emblems came on their blue car or discolored emblems that are now purple are factory original colors, etc.

1982
Sport Coupe - black CAMARO emblem with silver font
Berlinetta - Gold berlinetta emblem
Z28 LG4 - Tri Red Z28 emblem
Z28 LU5 - Tri red Z28 with Cross Fire Injection beneath it.
Z28 Indy - Special Indy 500 badge

1983
Sport Coupe - black CAMARO emblem with silver font
Berlinetta - Gold berlinetta emblem
Z28 LG4 - Tri Red Z28 emblem
Z28 LU5 - Tri red Z28 with Cross Fire Injection beneath it.
Z28 L69 - Tri red Z28 with 5.0 Liter HO beneath it

1984
Sport Coupe - black CAMARO emblem with silver font
Berlinetta - CAMARO molded into dash
Z28 LG4- Tri Red Z28 emblem
Z28 L69 - Tri red Z28 with 5.0 Liter HO beneath it

1985
Sport Coupe - black CAMARO emblem with silver font
Berlinetta - CAMARO molded into dash
Z28 LG4- Tri Red Z28 emblem
Z28 LB9 - Tri red Z28 with Tuned Port Injection beneath
IROC-Z LG4 - Tri red Z28 with IROC-Z beneath
IROC-Z L69 - Tri red Z28 with IROC-Z beneath
IROC-Z LB9 - Tri red Z28 with IROC-Z beneath
IROC-Z LB9 (California IROC) - Tri red Z28 with Tuned Port Injection beneath

1986
Sport Coupe - black CAMARO emblem with silver font
Berlinetta - CAMARO molded into dash
Z28 LG4- Tri Red Z28 emblem
Z28 LB9 - Tri red Z28 with Tuned Port Injection beneath
IROC-Z LG4 - Tri red Z28 with IROC-Z beneath
IROC-Z L69 - Tri red Z28 with IROC-Z beneath
IROC-Z LB9 - Tri red Z28 with IROC-Z beneath

1987
Sport Coupe - grey CAMARO emblem with silver font and tri color bar
LT - grey CAMARO emblem with silver font and tri color bar
RS - grey CAMARO emblem with silver font and tri color bar
Z28 LG4 - Tri Red Z28 emblem
Z28 LB9 - Tri Red Z28 with Tuned Port Injection beneath
IROC-Z LG4 - Tri Red Z28 with red IROC-Z underneath
IROC-Z LB9 - Tri Red Z28 with red IROC-Z underneath
IROC-Z L98 - Tri Red Z28 with red IROC-Z underneath
Convertible - All received a 20th Anniversary map pocket

1988
Sport Coupe - grey CAMARO emblem with silver font and tri color bar
RS - grey CAMARO emblem with silver font and tri color bar
IROC-Z L03 - Tri Red Z28 with red IROC-Z underneath
IROC-Z LB9 - Tri Red Z28 with red IROC-Z underneath
IROC-Z L98 - Tri Red Z28 with red IROC-Z underneath

1989
RS - grey CAMARO emblem with silver font and tri color bar
IROC-Z L03 - Tri Red Z28 with red IROC-Z underneath
IROC-Z LB9 - Tri Red Z28 with red IROC-Z underneath
IROC-Z L98 - Tri Red Z28 with red IROC-Z underneath

1990
RS - grey CAMARO emblem with silver font and tri color bar
IROC-Z L03 - Tri Yellow Z28 with yellow IROC-Z underneath
IROC-Z LB9 - Tri Yellow Z28 with yellow IROC-Z underneath
IROC-Z L98 - Tri Yellow Z28 with yellow IROC-Z underneath

1991
RS - grey CAMARO emblem with silver font and tri color bar
Z28 L03 - Tri Yellow Z28
Z28 LB9 - Tri Yellow Z28
Z28 L98 - Tri Yellow Z28

1992
RS - Tri yellow RS with red 25th Anniversary beneath
Z28 - Tri yellow Z28 with red 25th Anniversary beneath

NufNuffZ28

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Very detailed Scott. Thank you.

So, a RS only had a RS dash plaque one year(I do have one of those!)

two-if-by-sea

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The SE is a place holder.

NufNuffZ28

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Beautiful collection. Do you have any spares or duplicates you'd sale?

I did notice a black Camaro emblem in there that Scott never mentioned. Where is it from?

scottmoyer

When I mentioned silver CAMARO, I was referring to the font. I forgot that there were two different backing plates

two-if-by-sea

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The plain CAMARO emblems are totally different, not just in color. The black emblem has recessed letters; the letters on silver one are raised. The silver also has a red/while/blue insignia on it. I want to say 82-84 had the black, 85+ had the silver, but I'm not really sure when the cutoff was. My '87 SC had the silver.

Bob88GTA

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I have seen the Blue Z28 w/IROC below it. But I have no proof. FWIW, it was on a blue IROC Z...and I don't remember the year

two-if-by-sea

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It's a custom job. I have the silver CAMARO emblem above on my car, painted red. Another custom job. There is a purple Z28 emblem, but that is another can of worms. Some say it exists, some say it's faded red.

scottmoyer

The purple is faded red. End of story!

From what I can tell, the 1987 - 1991 cars used the emblem with the tri color bars. The 1982-1986 cars used the black background with just the CAMARO font.

And since the ZF isn't a factory emblem, I didn't document what years it was used.

IROCZTWENTYGR8

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This is sticky or tech data worthy.

MintWS6FORMULA

They need to save all that emblem /photo info for the FAQ.

IROCZTWENTYGR8

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Yes. I think when this post runs it's course it will be getting copied to that board.

NufNuffZ28

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YAH!

I agree as I was unable to find what I was looking for by searching, so I made the thread.

90IRAWKZ

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I have a '90 IROC 'vert with Flame red interior. The dash emblem is a red one. Is it possible some of the early conversions made it from the factory with red emblems?
Peace

two-if-by-sea

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Somebody probably changed the emblem to better match the car. Or to sell it for $130+ on eBay.

mac86

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Whats the one in that picture that says ZF

two-if-by-sea

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It was a ChooChooCustoms conversion. ZF's were base model cars with a sunroof, woodgrain interior, and some custom sticker graphics on the outside.

yo soy el warg

I haven't seen this topic about dash emblems come up for a while and had not paid much attention to it till today. Since I have owned a RPO 1C5 California IROC-Z for about 9 years now I had always thought that all IROC-Z28s with a TPI engine had a dash emblem that say Z28 with TUNED PORT INJECTION under it on the dash badge if it had a LB9 tuned port injection engine just as mine does. I was surprised to see that Scott Moyer's list of dash enblems for 1985 said all IROC-Zs should have a Z28 with IROC-Z under it no matter what engine it had. Since my dash emblem had TUNED PORT INJECTION under the Z28 and it is an IROC-Z. I looked into it further today.
I contacted "calroc" who is the only person I know of who bought his 1C5 California IROC-Z new for a confirmation and "macchinist" who he sold the car to back in October of 2014 to see what his dash emblem says to verify that mine was original and had not been replaced at some time.
They both confirmed that this original California IROC-Z also had the Z28 with TUNED PORT INJECTION under it as mine does. So the only correction I can add to this excellent list is the one exception for the 1985 1C5 California IROC-Z LB9-Tri red Z28 with TUNED PORT INJECTION beneath Z-28, not IROC-Z as being the original dash emblem.

I want to also note that all these California IROC-Zs only came with the LB9 TPI engine and that on the left rear portion of the bumper they don't say TUNED PORT INJECTION as other TPI cars both 5.7 and 5.0 do. This was just another unique cosmetic feature of these cars.

1985
Sport Coupe - black CAMARO emblem with silver font
Z28 LG4- Tri Red Z28 emblem
Z28 LB9 - Tri red Z28 with Tuned Port Injection beneath
IROC-Z LG4 - Tri red Z28 with IROC-Z beneath
IROC-Z L69 - Tri red Z28 with IROC-Z beneath
IROC-Z LB9 - Tri red Z28 with IROC-Z beneath

yo soy el warg

Just went and looked at my collection of 21 dash emblems. Of the 21 emblems 20 say MADE IN CANADA and they have a variety of part numbers on the back. These are from almost all the varieties listed above for a Camaro.

Only 1 dash emblem doesn't say "MADE IN CANADA" and it only has 1 part number not several numbers as my others do on the back. There might be something more to this unusual dash emblem. It is totally different on the back and also on the front than my others? It has the 2 upper colors of the Z28 in purple and the bottom one in bright red like the ones pictured above. I always thought it was how the emblem had faded just like Scott has also said.

I remember getting it off of a 1982 Z28 , I also got the steering wheel off of the same car and there was something different about the spokes on the steering wheel is why I remember what car it came off of. I have 15 or 20 other Z28 wheels I have collected to restore some day but this one was different.

If this is fading it only does it on the 2 upper parts of the Z28 just like those pictured above. The bottom color is bright red. You would think that the same paint was used on the entire logo, thus fading the same on all bars of the Z28? Anyway, if someone else has a dash emblem that does not say MADE IN CANADA like mine and is like the one pictured above with purple in the 2 upper bars and bright red in the bottom bar let us know. I can post pictures of the front and back of the only one I have in my collection if needed.

Was this an early 1982 thing? Since it wasn't MADE IN CANADA like all my others? We constantly find new historic facts about these cars so nothing would surprise me. The only way to know for sure if this is a genuine odd ball dash emblem like the one put in my 1985 California IROC-Z would be to find an original car with low miles made during 1982.

Since only a few badges seem to be around, it would probably be on an early production car, the only true confirmation of it being genuine would be to find an original car that was always garaged with the same colored dash badge that hasn't faded because of the sun, that doesn't have MADE IN CANADA on the back, and only one part number on it like the one I have. Chances of all that are slim. But then, it is a unique emblem on both the front, back, and where it was produced not being listed at all, thus it should be looked at further. Another mystery to solve!!!

Drew

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The list skipped all the Berlinettas. 82-83 had the gold Berlinetta logo pictured, 84-up had Berlinetta molded in the dash (no emblem), and I can't say that I've ever looked that closely at the dash of an LT but I'd suspect they had the same Camaro logo as the same years SC.

John in RI

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Close;

82-83 Berlinetta has a SILVER dash emblem,.... it's the only silver Berlinetta emblem ever used - all others were factory gold. ( the one pictured above is a "B" pillar emblem. ) 84-86 Berlinettas had "CAMARO" embossed into the dash housing.

gt4373

two-if-by-sea

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The Berlinetta emblem in my picture is absolutely from the dash, complete with the prongs on the back. I've never seen a silver Berlinetta emblem. The sail panel emblem is slightly smaller in size, and it metal, as opposed to the plastic dash emblem.

Edit - The sail panel Berlinetta emblem is actually slightly larger than the dash Berlinetta emblem. Pic attached, top is sail emblem, bottom is dash emblem.

yo soy el warg

This is for two-if-by-sea. What is on the back of your Z28 dash emblem with the purple on top? Does it say MADE IN CANADA with several part and molding numbers? Or does it just have one number and nothing else?

Another thing I just noticed about my purple emblem is that the top purple color bar is much thinner than any of my others and the middle purple color bar is thicker than any of my others. The two black inner circles of the "8" in Z28 are much larger than any of my others. After looking at your dash logos they appear to have the same differences as mine. Would you check yours to confirm that?

two-if-by-sea

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I ran out to the garage to check on the rears of the emblems. I have multiples of each emblem. None of the purple Z28 emblems (see pic, three emblems in hand) say "Made In Canada" under the round peg. Both red Z28 emblems (see pic, two in hand) say "Made in Canada" under the round peg.

I checked the CFI emblems, I see no difference in the rear markings. Though the graphics have the same differences you described.


GOOD EYE! You are absolutely, 100% correct on both accounts! I have looked at these emblems a thousand times and never noticed that. I attached a close-up of the framed emblems.

So it looks like, after years of hearing that "There was no purple dash badge", turns out there was a purple dash badge!

yo soy el warg

Thanks to "two-if-by-sea" for confirming what I thought after looking closely at the only one I have which is the Z28 dash badge. I can supply a picture if needed of the front and back as you have. It is a totally different dash badge than all the others I have. I don't have the one with Cross-Fire- Injection under the Z28 in purple like you have. But the Z28 one I have with the 2 purple bars that I got off of a 1982 Z28 looks just like yours and it only has one part number on the back and is not "MADE IN CANADA" as all the others say. It seems as though these were only used in 1982 or 83 on the early first third gens made. None of my 5.0, IROC or TPI badges are purple and I have only seen the 1982 or 83 badges with the 2 upper portion of the Z28 being purple.

Lets try to find an early original 1982-83 Z28 owner with the same dash logo to confirm what looks to be the case with our members.

Every time I think I know all about the third gen cars I find something like this to keep my interest in them. Its these little details that will matter 20 or 30 years from now when these cars are even rarer.

Who knows, GM may have had one company make the first 100-1000 like these and some executive decision changed the color and gave the contract to a Canadian company who changed the colors and made all the rest. So many weird things have been done at GM.

Now does anybody have a dash logo with the two upper parts of the Z28 in purple and the lower part in bright red that was MADE IN CANADA, which I have yet to see?

Lets all keep an open mind about this till all the facts come in without dismissing this to fading like I had previously thought.

I also collect coins and stamps and there are some varieties of stamps with upwards of 30-40 varieties from color shades, perforations on the edge, water marks on the back, etc. for the same stamp so this variety of dash logos doesn't surprise me.

scottmoyer

Ok, let's clear this up. There were no purple emblems!!! What I see here is a manufacturer change. If no other dash emblems show the thinner lines (and wider hole in the 8) then there could have been a shortage of emblems during 1982 and another company was contracted to make 'em. With that, the pigments in their coloring wasn't UV protected and discolored.

The other option is that they got so many from this company early in production and changed to another company that was kept through the remainder of the 3rd gen run.

Nobody in their right mind would mix purple and red on a car that has no purple!!! The logo has always been represented by a tri bar red when red was in the logo!!

yo soy el warg

Didn't you also list that no IROC-Zs came with TUNED PORT INJECTION under the Z28 on the dash emblem? In fact, that is why I even looked further into it because you had brought it to my attention on your list. I would have never known or even looked twice at the dash emblem on my own car and the 21 other emblems in my collection.

Well the 1985 1C5 California IROC-Z doesn't have IROC-Z under the Z28, instead it has TUNED PORT INJECTION and it has been confirmed with other owners. I don't see any debate about that going on. Since it has been proven. Very few people have seen an original 1985 1C5 California IROC-Z so I can understand why they wouldn't know about it since so few exist. Just as you didn't when you made your excellent list of dash emblems.

All the information and knowledge you have is fabulous to all of us here and appreciate it greatly, but when new information is found and proven it should be acknowledged as new historic fact and not just brushed away with no mention.

I haven't heard any mention about that? If I thought that you were 100% correct I would have thought that my car had its dash emblem replaced at some time, which I confirmed yesterday that it wasn't. I see no retraction posted about that.



Now, as far as the latest mystery to solve. I don't have a crystal ball to get the answer so I'm looking for facts about the purple badges from other members.

You apparently didn't know about a manufacturer change till it was pointed out to you. Either did I!

Plus if you were so knowledgeable about the purple ones in question why didn't you already know that they were not produced in another country, but here? Since things produced out of the U.S. have to state that on the item produced?

Or notice that the size of the lettering is different? Also who would make the paint pigments on the two upper portions of the logo with a "non" UV resistant paint so they turn purple? Then make the bottom part of the logo with a UV resistant paint so it stays red and never turns purple like the the upper portions of the logo? Seems like a dumb thing for a manufacturer to do if the technology for UV resistant pigments are there for part of the logo. This could have happened. Anything is possible!

I am only putting this out in a search to see if it was possible? I never expected this kind of reaction! It may just be fading, but the only way to prove it would be to find an original car with the same logo that has low mileage and has always been garaged. Or find a GM executive that has the answer to this.

So far, as of today everybody acknowledges it is a different font on the logo and a different manufacturer, which for years nobody has ever noticed. Myself included. Lets try to get to the bottom of it without attacking each other over it.

Also, if I was in my "right mind" and didn't care about getting to the truth about this I wouldn't have even brought the topic up.

John in RI

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Pretty Cool; Thanx for setting the record straight !

I have had dozens of them and have never seen a gold one as pictured,.... they were always silver. After reading that I looked at my emblems quick, 1 of them *almost* looks gold, but it's really more just a "shiney" finish on that emblem compared to the other 2 that have a "flat" silver/grey finish.





Worth mentioning,.....

ALL of the "Z28" emblems at the top of the pic have "Made in Canada" on the back, even the Berlinetta emblems. ( can't see the back of the anniversary emblems due to tape )

The 3 emblems on the bottom of the pic - of which the 2 Purple ones were taken from 82's - do NOT say "Made in Canada" on the backside. ( I am not SURE what year the "RED" crossfire emblem came from )

*Edit: Seems like emblems with the larger holes in the 8 are the only ones that are Purple.............. If this was a fading problem common to ALL these dash emblems than I would expect to see the "small hole in the '8'" Z28 Emblems that were "faded purple" too.

scottmoyer

Yo soy, read my post #5 again. I put together what I was able to gather based on information I have or know. It says to let me know if there are any changes that need to be updated. I never said anything about the 1C5 cars so I don't know why you're getting upset at my comments.

Secondly, I apologize for not knowing all of the subs that GM used on all parts of manufacture. Did I know that the faded ones came from a different supplier, no. Did I even notice the font was slightly different, no. But, now that we have been shown this information, it backs my new theory that a second supplier made the emblems that have discolored. Also, I doubt they intentionally made the other two bars to fade, but the additive added to the base red to make the other two lines slightly different could be the culprit.

If you look at my list in post #5, it clearly shows the 1985 LB9 Z28 shows the emblem as Z28 with the Tuned Port Injection under it. If the California IROC-Z followed the Z28 standard and not the IROC-Z (since it also came without door stickers), then so be it. The list can be updated, but you don't need to be pissy about it. I clearly stated in post #5, "If anything is missing or incorrect, prove it to me and we'll get it updated."

scottmoyer

If there are any updates to be added to the above list, make a post specifying exactly the details. The purple emblems will not be added as they were not purple originally.

yo soy el warg

Scott, accept my apology if I came across as being "pissy" since that wasn't my intention.
The purpose of my statements were to bring attention to the facts and promote more constructive dialogue among all the members.

Drew

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I'll blame the insomnia...

scottmoyer

Ok, so I need to update the list with the LT and also the 82-83 Berlinetta. Can anyone say for certain that the 82-83 Berlinetta emblem is silver or gold?

John in RI

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82 Brochure shows it was gold:




Since the sorta' "shiny" used emblem I've got *almost* looks gold,... and the other 2 I've got have a real flat silver gray finish; I've got to think the silver/grey ones are faded & back up the argument that they are factory gold like all the other Berlinetta specific emblems.

yo soy el warg

Several dash parts are specific to the 1982-83 Camaro and Firebirds. The gold Berlinetta dash emblems in the picture might be a one or two years application. If anybody has another picture of the 1983,1984,1985, and 1986 dash there might be a silver or gold one in these other years. That would help to figure out what was used. I don't have any Berlinetta dash emblems that I have removed myself from any particular year cars for a silver or gold logo comparison.

John in RI

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It was an 82-83 only Berlinetta dash emblem,....... starting in 84 thru 86 Berlinetta had "CAMARO" molded in the dash housing; we are all in agreement on that.

yo soy el warg

John in RI I think I went to the same site that you got the above picture of the 1982 GM Camaro brochure of a Berlinetta interior. I was trying to find other pictures of Camaro dashes in the 1983 Camaro brochure and went to page 4 which looked completely dark without much detail. I tried to copy the picture of the interior but couldn't get it to work. This link should pull it up. If someone else can post the interior picture that would be great. I'm pretty sure that brochures are made in the prior model year so this one was probably made sometime in 1982 or early 1983. Check out the color of the dash emblem. It could just be the lighting in the picture, but it looks like the 2 upper parts of the Z28 are purple and the bottom one is red.

http://paintref.com/cgi-bin/brochure...&page=4&scan=4

John in RI

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Well,... The pics on the site you posted are actually my images that appear to have been copied from my website. ( Edit: Just noticed these are not my pics- just someone with the same idea! ) You can see the 82-86 Brochures here:

http://berlinetta.info/media.htm

Here's the 83 pic you mentioned; I saw that pic when I was looing around; but wasn't sure it had the "large holes" in the "8" so I didn't bring it up.




Full Sized:
http://berlinetta.info/media/83Page6-7.jpg


P.S. The Crossfire car pictured appears to be an 83 due to the correct Dash Pad, Steering Wheel and the 1 year only gauge cluster.

yo soy el warg

John in RI yes the pictures I found look to be yours. I didn't know that at the time. I used to own a 1983 Camaro with crossfire injection and my logo was all red. The one in the brochure sure looks like it has purple in the top parts of the emblem and red on the bottom. The colors in the dash instruments that are greens, whites, reds, etc. seem to be reproduced correctly in the picture so lighting doesn't seem to be the reason for the purples? Lets find an original '82 with the same emblem from the time it was new. That is the only way to know for sure.

Thanks for putting the picture up. I have very few computer skills.

yo soy el warg

My son came by today and he told me to go to the picture above with the cursor and enter the ctrl and + on my keyboard and it made the picture huge. Ctrl and 0 brings it back. The dash emblem's top purple color bar of the #8 is thinner than the others, and the center purple color bar of the #8 is definitely thicker on each end of the color bar and thinner in the middle part. This makes the black center holes of the #8 much larger. It appears that this particular car in the brochure has the same purple and red combination dash emblem as the ones we have been talking about. The ones that doesn't say Made In Canada on the back. Now lets find a low mileage car with the same original emblem to confirm it.

Raj Gill

what part is that called of the dash ?