Scorpner

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I see so that might explain why the visible parts were removed and the other was left on the vehichle.

anesthes

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Simply having the lights on the car would be a civil infraction. If you used them, you could be criminally charged with impersonating a police officer.

-- Joe

excessiveego

I plow snow commercially and amber lights used to be exempt from permits but 2 years ago they changed it to require permits for all strobe or flashing lights. Permits for amber lights are relatively easy to get. Permits for red lights are reserved for volunteer fire and privately owned emergency response vehicles, and permits for blue are impossible to get.

but on the plus side, amber lights now legally give you the same privileges as blue and red (vehicle with activated amber lights gets right of way)

Now, ive never been stopped and asked for proof that I have a permit, but then again im pretty good friends with all the cops in town since im a criminal justice major in college and did an internship in town and everything else.

anesthes

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In New Hampshire? Amber lights have no privileges or inferred authority for all vehicles, however two statues exist regarding EMERGENCY and MAINTENANCE vehicles operating with authority:


Section 265:37-a Motorist Duties When Approaching Highway Emergencies. – When in or approaching an incident involving a fire, collision, disaster, or other emergency resulting in partial or complete blockage of a highway, or a location where a police officer has made a traffic stop, every driver other than the driver of an emergency response vehicle, shall:

I. Maintain a reduced speed.
II. Obey the directions of any authorized person directing traffic and of all applicable emergency signals and traffic control devices.
III. Vacate as soon as possible any lane wholly or partially blocked.
IV. Give a wide berth, without endangering oncoming traffic, to public safety personnel, any persons in the roadway, and stationary vehicles displaying blue, red, or amber emergency or warning lights.

Section four means give ample room to a STATIONARY (i.e, STOPPED) vehicle displaying amber lights.


265:6-a Highway Construction and Maintenance. –
I. The driver of a vehicle shall yield the right-of-way to any authorized vehicle or pedestrian actually engaged in work upon the highway within any construction or maintenance area indicated by official traffic control devices.
II. The driver of a vehicle shall yield the right-of-way to any authorized vehicle obviously and actually engaged in work upon a highway whenever such vehicle displays emergency lights or amber warning lights as authorized under RSA 266:78-a through RSA 266:78-q and shall give wide berth, without endangering oncoming traffic, to highway workers and stationary or moving vehicles owned by or contracted to state or local highway maintenance departments displaying amber warning lights.
III. Any offense involving speeding in a highway construction or maintenance zone on a state or interstate highway, manned by workers, shall be a construction work zone driving offense. A person found guilty of an offense shall be fined not less than $250 nor more than $500.
IV. The department of transportation shall post signs notifying motorists of construction or maintenance work zones and construction zone speed limits. The department shall require signs notifying motorists of the increased penalties for a violation of paragraph III.



Notice the text says "authorized vehicle" that is "engaged in work". This means a public or private vehicle contracted or ordered to work on the highway, including snow removal. This does NOT mean that at any time you decide to activate amber lighting you have the right of way.


I don't know how easy it is to get amber permits in NH, as I work in Mass which is a lot more like a dictatorship.

-- Joe

KITT1983

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so what category would a knight rider amber front mounted scanner bar be placed?

excessiveego

Thats what I meant, I didnt mean to imply that you could use amber lights to try to make people pull over and let you pass

anesthes

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Ahh. Ok. When you said "right of way" the same as "blue lights" I interpreted that as you meaning literally pull off and allow the vehicle to pass.

-- Joe

KITT1983

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anesthes, what category would a knight rider amber front mounted scanner bar be placed?

anesthes

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No situation exists where you could legally put those on your firebird, as you cannot meet any of the exemtions of 540 CMR 22:



22.06: Mounting and Display of Amber and Other Colored Lights
(1) No person shall mount or display a flashing, rotating or oscillating amber light on a motor vehicle
operated on the way, except as provided in 540 CMR 22.06.
(2) Flashing, rotating or oscillating amber light(s) may be mounted and displayed on:
(a) motor vehicles used for emergency or service purposes operated by members or employees
of an auxiliary police force, charitable organizations, private burglar alarm companies, private
detective and private security agencies, agencies of the Commonwealth or its politicalsubdivisions,
persons and garages providing motorists assistance services or towing services, public and private
utility companies for emergency or service purposes, persons and companies that are transporting
human blood or organs for emergency purposes, oxygen, explosives or other hazardous materials;
(b) motor vehicles that have the owner's name displayed so as to be plainly visible from each side
or from the front and rear of the motor vehicle, and which are actually engaged in the performance
of a service, public or private, where the display of such lights would be in the best interest of
public safety; and
(c) such other motor vehicles as authorized by written permit of the Registrar, which shall be
carried by the operator upon his or her person or in the vehicle in some easily accessible place.
No person shall mount or display any flashing, rotating or oscillating light of any color other than
amber, except blue and red lights as provided in M.G.L. c. 90, § 7E, unless by written permit of the
Registrar, which shall be carried by the operator upon his or her person or in the vehicle, in some easily
accessible place


-- Joe

excessiveego

the only "legal" way I can see of going about it would be to mount it in such a way that I could be covered while driving on the street and uncovered at car shows.. Still not sure if that would be legal in Mass, but in NH it is what we need to do with our offroad lights while driving on the street.

anesthes

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Maybe.. If it was a roof mounted light bar, and it was covered when not in use maybe. The problem is the text says "No person shall mount or display".

In reality, you would only have a problem if you were using them when you are not supposed to, or driving like an idiot.


-- Joe

okfoz

KITT front lights were red, which is even a bigger no-no in MI...

In Michigan I do not know the exact rules, but the Local Police and Sheriff use Red/Blue, lights, the State police use all red. Fire trucks use Red. Ambulances use Red.

Emergency vehicles, like Volunteer fire personnel, Tow Trucks use Amber flashing lights.

More or less I was told by a police officer that you cannot add or remove lights from a car, if it came that way, that is how it has to be..

Is that a picture of KARR?

John

anesthes

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Yep. Every state is different. Mass is fairly strict. I know state police like to enforce 22:07, which says any aftermarket lighting is illegal, any replacement lights must meet DOT specs. They use that to bong people with tail light covers, fog lights, odd colored directionals, etc.

-- Joe

okfoz

Joe,
Now that you mention it, it does appear that there are fewer and fewer cars with the tail-light covers out there, not sure if it is a going out of style thing or a crackdown from the cops... I suspect the latter...

John

KITT1983

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yes

camaro11222

I think this is the first time I've heard that Trams Am was police car.

jharrison5

First off welcome to the forum! Secondly this thread was last commented on over three years ago. February of 2014 to be exact...

KMK454

Fast Forward to about 55 seconds, and you can see some Firebird police cars fly by.

camaro11222

WOW, that is nice

3rdgenparts

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Nice video KMK454, Always love me some 80's synth lol !!!



YEARS ago ago a guy was parting out a "82 trans am that was used as a undercover MO state police car. I didn't see it in person, But pic showed car had a chrome spotlight on driver side A-pillar. Other then that ONLY police F-bodies I have EVER seen in person were in service B4C camaro 4th gens in Oklahoma and California.



Dave

Mike03

what color was the D.A.R.E firebird you saw I just bought one that was orange with black flames when it was apart of the program and I want to find pictures of it when it was in the program

Mike03

I recently bought a 1987 350 firebird that I was told was apart of the D.A.R.E program it has the holes in the roof for the lightbar I have no pictures of it with it though it was orange with black flames upfront when apart of the program do you remember what color the bird you bought was

sofakingdom

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I hate to disappoint, but that was A LONG TIME ago. Don't expect too much love from the deep past.

Cops all over the country used to confiscate these cars ALOT back in their heyday, because (a) there were ALOT of em to begin with, relative to today; and (b) they were REAL popular among people who wanted to appear "flashy" aka "conspicuously wealthy" aka "drug dealers". The cops would turn em into DARE cars by mounting some lights on em and painting Bozhye only knows what all over em (or apply a wrap) and drive em to elementary schools to get the attention of the 5th graders. Big whoop.

ANYBODY can paint flames on ANYTHING. DARE car or not. Not sure how that's anything special?

As Anesthes said way back when, if it has EVER been used in ANY kind of REAL police duty, it's SMOKED and USED UP, and you don't want it, unless you're willing to undertake a MASSIVE renovation. If it was a DARE car, then, fill the holes and get rid of all the pre-teen visuals and move on, and hope nobody notices.

In any case, it's not something I would consider "desirable" or "valuable" or "worthy of preservation", unless the SPID label has "B4C" on it; and probably not even then. Which Firebirds NEVER did: that RPO wasn't made available on those. So it's ... not. So, see the previous paragraphs.

Mike03

I have the pictures from years years ago that you can faintly see where it said dare on the orange and black paint and under the black paint that the car is currently is that orange I know it’s not anything special or desirable just hoping if anything knows anything about it I’d like to know a little more of its history and see some pictures if any were even taken of the car back then but practically everything that was done to make it a dare car has been long gone or hidden like the rear light that used to light up and say dare when you hit the brakes the lights still there behind the panel but the panel has been swapped out back to the original one

okfoz

Like Sofakingdom stated, there were no official police Firebirds per se. IE No base Firebirds with the B4C type package and 1LE for example. Chances are the DARE cars were confiscated from criminals and used as anti-drug promotions, of those confiscations I bet many were drug related crimes and they wanted to make a point to dealers that this will happen to your car too.