lonestar7

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This car must have been up on ebay 4 or 5 times. It never sold because it never reached the sellers reserve or even reached his starting bid price in some cases. This time, it appears that it's a no reserve auction with a low starting price, so she's going to be sold to somebody. I seem to remember that it got bid up to the $8000-$9000 range on a couple of the auctions, which seems a little high for a car with 106,XXX miles on it even if it is a B4C. Still a pretty nice RS, I like the color and no frills look. I'll be interested in what it finally sells for.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1992-...item3a78e1b02a

Phenom-1

I saw this RS for sale in my Los Angeles Craigslist the ad said it was an ex FBI car but they only showed the very first picture of the car on the outside that you see in the eBay ad, so I just thought it was a misspelled post because the Craigslist ad only shows 1 Picture of the car. But wow there is really No way you could tell its not a regular RS Camaro until you look at either the Gauges or look under the hood and discover the TPI thanks for posting the ebay ad, I can finally see ALL the pictures and not just 1 like on Craigslist.

Slater126

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As we discussed in another post, a well kept pedigreed '91 R7U with 80k on it only bid up to $8,600 recently so I can't honestly see this more common higher mile car going much past 7. He should have taken the money he got offered when these cars were briefly hot and ran like hell. I'll be watching with interest too!

Copperhead

Doesn't look to be anything special about the car for civil service, no gun mounts, option deletes, special chip or anything, like some of the FBI turbo Buicks had. Plus the ugly flat hood. I can see why it won't bring the money.

2007xl50

Cool car, and I'm up in the air about the color. Yeah with over 100K on the clock I see about a mid $7k car there.

Slater126

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He's only at 6.2k with just south of two days left. I bet he's wishing like heck right about now he'd taken the 9k he got offered earlier! Let's see where it ends up. I predicted 7.2k to myself but he may not even get to that level. It'll be interesting!

paulo57509

Q: Why do the strut mounts look like they've been hit with a hammer? Optical illusion?

scottmoyer

It is a special car. No RS came with the TPI engine, let alone the 350 unless it was a B4C. It also has the 1LE brake option that so many people desire. So it has the 1LE option and AC? Yep. Only on a B4C. That makes the car special. In case you aren't aware, ordering a car with the performance rear axle and no AC is the combination needed to trigger the 1LE. This car is a sleeper in that it has the appearance of the base Camaro, but the performance/handling of a Z28.

lonestar7

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About 20hrs. left on the auction, bid up to $6,800 now. I think it's likely to go over $7k, will it reach $8k?, We'll know soon.

Slater126

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Ebay's weird. I've seen auctions where there's been frenzied bidding until the middle of the auction and bidding stop dead through the end. I've seen others do nothing until the last hours.

It's generally best as a seller to get a bidding war going. Ending late on a weekend night helps because you're more likely to get alcohol involved. Sound funny but it's true. Here we don't seem to have much of a war going down but maybe something will heat up at the end. I know it's a unique car but I think the mileage is going to keep things well under 8k.

88monteSS

Just a question, in the pic of the build sheet he seems to make special note of it having RPO U79 "Ext Range Spe", he notes it as being big tank, is that unusual or did all V8 cars get that option?

simo

U79 = SPEAKER SYSTEM, 4, DUAL FRT COAX, DUAL EXT RGE PKG

Copperhead

LOL

lonestar7

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Auction just ended, final bid was $6,800.

KMK454

Bet he wishes he took that $8-9k... which to me is the appropriate price for it. Even with 106k miles, $6800 is a great price for that car. It appears to be in decent condition given the mileage. There are a few odd holes in the console and some details need freshening, but it looks like a very complete car. The color is not my thing, but that color and B4C makes it a rare and desirable car for somebody... not for me though, the hood is too flat and ugly

yaj15

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I agree. The combination of the B4C and 1LE packages represents the top of the line in terms of factory stock performance for the 1991 and 1992 Camaros.

That color was a one year 1992 color only as well.

That car was also a late production 1992 car as well. So long as we can believe that the car is 100% stock and all original - the late production 1992 TPI cars got black valve covers. Also some of the late production 1992 TPI cars also got rougher casting looking intake runners. I have read in different places that the rougher casting was possibly old Corvette stock. I don't know exactly when this took place during the 1992 production model year but, I have seen some April production 1992 TPI cars that had black valve covers and rougher casting intake runners.

The Corvettes stopped using the L98 in 1991 and switched to the LT1 in 1992. The F-bodies switched over to the LT1 in 1993.

Slater126

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In the spring it would have been an appropriate price maybe. But the market seems to have really tanked since then. Maybe all those low mileage cars we've seen over the past year or so satisfied the high end of the market? I don't know. I didn't have much hope for a high price after watching several recent auctions. That beautiful blue/gold 1987 LB9 only went for $12,600, and that was a 9,000 mile car.

88monteSS

That makes a lot more sense lol.

lonestar7

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Damn, It's been re-listed. Did the deal fall through? This is getting ridiculous!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1992-...item3a7957522a

Atilla the Fun

I want to meet the Agent who was cool enough to order this car. Or the GM employee who decided this was what to sell the FBI.

Copperhead

No reserve . . he must be serious this time

lonestar7

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Well, the thing is the last auction was no reserve also. Don't know what happened. Maybe he had a little shill biding going on or a legit bidder bailed out.

Phenom-1

I agree about it being a true sleeper, and I don't care if it looks like a stock RS, I like it, its perfect for some kid that comes at the light revving his foxbody cobra at me thinkin yeah I got this in tha bag and then the light turns green and then... VROOOM!! ( BRAAAAAAAAAA ) GONE AM I !! if I had 9gs this one would definitely go in my collection but I'm sure in another couple of years when I do have room for it I'll find another, this B4C is even rarer than a 1LE. Did the '91-'92 1LE ever come with a 350 TPI

Slater126

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Oy! Again? Seems very odd to say the least. I think the price he got offered is about the market for this now. I'm curious as to why/how it fell through. A little fast on the relisting for a deadbeat bidder. Usually a few weeks will go by in that situation. Whatever the reason, i like this less and less as it keeps appearing over and over.

yaj15

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Yes you could get the 350 in the '91-'92 Z28 1LE cars. To get one you had to select option level 1 and the LB9/T-5/G92 (3.42 gears with positracton) axle option or the L98/700r4 (91'-'92 Z28's the L98 came standard with the G92 3.23 positraction rear) - and no option C60 (air-conditioning) with either drivetrain package.

Not selecting a/c, selecting option level 1, and the one of the drivetrain combinations that I listed is what triggered the 1LE option.

The B4C option was unique because the B4C option gave you the cop components as well as the 1LE components as well. You could also get a/c on the B4C cars but you couldn't on the 1LE cars.

lonestar7

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This auction is ending in about 4 hours, bids only up to $4,400! This guy should have stopped when he was ahead with the $8-$9K bides he had on previous auction.

scottmoyer

People aren't bidding because they have seen this car online with no reserve and then it comes back up again. Would you bid if you knew he would pull it out from under you?

Slater126

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He's losing value like a bad tech stock, LOL!!! And as you point out, all because of his own greed.

84redta

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maybe a stupid question, but where'd they stick the 2nd battery?

yaj15

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1992 Chevrolet Camaro RS Special Service Package EX FBI CAR - Information from the Ebay Add

Item Location: Camarillo, CA, United States

Engine: L98 5.7L
Transmission: 700r4
Mileage: 106,390
Rear End: 10bolt rear, 3.23 gears, positraction.
Exterior Color: dark green gray metallic
Interior Color: Black


In 1992 the FBI ordered 17 of these Camaros in dark green gray metallic . Anniversary Model. 5.7 /350 V8. Cars were built to be used by remote agents in their undercover work.Cars are unusual in that they have been ordered with the 1LE option which General Motors produced for SCCA Road racing. Cars with the 1LE option could not be ordered with air-conditioning. This car was also ordered with the B4C package which is only sold to law enforcement agencies.

Cars are highly opted, I will list a few of the more significant options I am also including in this listing the factory build sheet which if I’ve counted correctly there are 46 options on this build sheet.

FE2 is the suspension special preference option the J 65 is the four wheel disc brake option Corvette brakes rear Impala SS brakes front,79 option is the extended range special, the big tank.

The base price of this car was $12,000 and the total cost of options was $5,400 the total invoice in 1992 was $17,979.

This cars condition is due to the fact that only FBI agents drove this car. The car in truly amazing condition, mechanically perfect compression 160 across all cylinders, rides and drives as new, the car is very fast and quite comfortable considering the increased sway bar and spring rates, gas mileage on the highway 25 miles per gallon plus. 1992 was the last year for this iconic Camaro body style. Please feel free to contact me through ask seller a question or my direct e-mail marclohman@gmail.com Thanks marc

The Chevrolet Camaro B4C is a Chevrolet Camaro equipped with a "Special Service" police package, also known as B4C Special Equipment Options code. The package was offered on the Camaro between 1991 and 2002.
The B4C package has heavier-duty features over a standard Camaro as well as some options specific to the installation of police equipment. The Chevrolet Camaro B4C option has been available since 1991 when it was introduced. The 1992 version of the Camaro B4C (Special Service Package) got the addition of 1LE brakes and suspension, making it the best performing third generation Camaro available with air conditioning.

The B4C option was also deemed popular enough to be carried on to the fourth generation model. Heavy duty features include oversized front and rear sway bars, high-output alternator, larger (in years after 1991) four-wheel disc brakes, separate engine, power steering, and transmission oil coolers, and certified 145 mph (233 km/h) speedometer. Most of the heavier duty option parts come from a combination of parts from both the regular Z28 and the racing and handling package of the special 1LE option list.

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articwhiteZ

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ya want a kewl car..go down and order it new with the things you want.
then when you get it..send it off to have the things GM did not offer, installed... and have the car the way you want it.. then after 20+ years you to could have a hard to get car.. im doing a 2nd one soon..a 2012 ZL1 Camaro. thinking of Hennesy this time..Maby

lonestar7

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Auction just ended, was bid up to $6,800, supposedly sold. Let's see if it stays "sold".

scottmoyer

Maybe it isn't selling because the guy is an idiot. He said the car has J65, Corvette brakes in the rear and Impala SS brakes up front???? There was no Impala SS in '92. How about Camaro brakes in the rear and Camaro brakes up front!!! The J65 option has been around on the Camaro since the beginning.

He also says that 79 is the "big tank". What a joke. U79 is not the extended range special or "big tank". U79 is ERS. You know, the dash emblem that says ERS!!! Extended Range Sound. Yeah, that's the "big tank"

The B4C also did not have heavier duty features over a Z28. People have misinterpreted the wording of whoever originally said that it had heavy duty features the regular Camaro didn't have being that this is a regular Camaro (RS). All features found on the B4C could be had on a regular Z28 except the 1LE brake option. If you compare RS to RS, then the statement is true. If you compare B4C to a Z28, then it's the same "heavy duty" everything.

Atilla the Fun

Wording an ad so that an un-molested car seems modified is extremely stupid. 12 years ago I walked away from a most excellent deal on a cherry '86 Camaro because they claimed it had a 350. The salesman called the next day to apologize for not confirming the 305, but I gave him a polite explanation so he wouldn't hang up before I'd finished telling him off. Never lie about the car. Never claim anything you don't personally know for irrefutable, unquestionable fact.

jmd

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That's totally the impression I got of the guy the last time I read this thread a week ago or so. He's got to be listening to someone and mis-interpreting what they're saying. Because those rotors will fit an Impala SS spindle but he's just grossly mis-stating a few things in the auctions.

3rdgenparts

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Strange no RPO code GAM=Federal Vehicle.I remember seeing some GSA auction years ago that were selling off '98-02 LS1 B4C Camaros and Firebirds from the Treasury Department ??? Some had that GAM code come up on the RPO decoder.Wonder what other "Fun" federal cars are out there.

InfernalVortex

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Do a little research into how many people Hennessey has ripped off. Im amazed anyone gives this guy press and I am even more amazed he's not in jail.

paulo57509

Wow. I just read about one horror story.

Not to get too far off topic, but it makes my recent issue with Rock Auto seem like the non-issue it turned out to be. At least Rock Auto can give me satisfaction for my $80. I can't imagine what they'd do for me if I spent $150k with them.

kmcn47

treasury department? camaros and firebirds? two of these things are not like the treasury department lol, please elaborate?

HI85WH1

In January of this year this car had a $14K reserve on Ebay, bidding hit $12,300 and of course did not make reserve. From then until now I had watched subsequent auctions end with lower and lower bids.

My thoughts are either they were trying to shill-bid the car up towards what he wanted or he thought the car was worth far more than it is.

Rare? Yes...

Desireable? I'd say so.. people tend to like the DGGM color.

He should have taken the $12,300 if it was real.

I think I'll keep my 8K car hidden for a few more years.

Slater126

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I don't want to accuse the guy of anything but I'm always suspicious of ebay. You can definitely get someone to come in and make bids, and try to start a bidding war. This isn't unheard of. But then again, it isn't unheard of for a couple of bidders to get super drunk and nostalgic and bid something up to a stupid price either. Then they sober up and refuse to close the deal. I'd have to say $12,300 for a 100k+ mile Third Gen had to be in one of these two categories, even late last year when the market was better.

TTOP350

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Thats how some shops do alinements.. No joke. They use a big hammer to move the mounts after they have loosened the bolts a bit.

Slater126

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Hopefully an ASE certified big hammer!

HI85WH1

Even when you consign your car at a high end auction.. the company has an obligation to run the bidding up to close to the reserve to see if there is any interest.

I saw $12.3, 10.6, then I kind of lost track.. but it continued dropping.

The 60K car with the GM decals went for 10K BIN in 2 days.

A fully decked out EX UHP car just sold with an asking of $12.5K meticulously accurate if you wanted a showpiece... you definetely werent gonna drive that on the street.

I'll keep mine for a few more years... the ultra low mile cars are escalating in value even in a down economy.