aaron7

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At least that's what the guy is trying to convince me haha

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...TQ:MOTORS:1123

Me: Quick FYI, there were no Irocs in 1984. They started in 1985.

Him: actually it was ordered in '84 considered to be an '84.5. on the title it says 1984 and the vin considers it an IROC Z28. so not to argue but yes, there was.

subroc

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Aside from the fact that the guys an artard the car is pretty damn cool. Way too much money however and this is at least the second time its been ebay.

aaron7

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What spoiler and front air dam are those? Looks like the actual Iroc cars!

JamesC

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FWIW, Vin "G" car which would indicate L69. The history report says 1984 Chevrolet Camaro Base / Z28. I'd ask for the B4Z RPO.

JamesC

JamesC

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Hummm.

1G1AP87G5EL227863

1 USA
G General Motors
1 Division Chevy
AP Carline/Series Camaro Sport Coupe
87 Coupe 2 Dr. Sport
G L69
5 Check Digit (?)
E Model Year (85 is F, so E makes sense)
L Assembly Plant Van Nuys
227863 Plant Sequential Numbers

JamesC

Camaro Z Man

Its a awesome looking car and Im sure a ton of money was put into it, but there is NO way its an IROC . Some people really dont know much about these cars and think any 3rd gen camaro is a IROC. This guy is prolly one of these people.

Drew

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I don't think it really matters what the car was, when it's pretty clear that the car has been morphed into something else.

Most of the aftermarket touches make the car tacky. If it had a stock body with wheels that didn't belong on a customized van, with the rest of the mods it has, it'd be cool. I just can't get behind the big goofy hood, big goofy spoiler, extractor fenders, etc etc etc. All considered it does look pretty decent for a high end JCWhitney car.

JamesC

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Unfortunately, many people do.

JamesC

Drew

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How much can the word IROCZ increase the value on a car that's far from stock? It's just your garden variety Frankenmaro now. If someone buys it without documenting what it really is, or researching the numbers, then shame on them.

JamesC

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What! Buy first, then research? What a crazy idea.

JamesC

David M

Yes, that VIN# screams '84 H.O. Z28. Looks like an early July '84 build according to my registry.

jharrison5

I see a lot of postings on ebay and craigslist like this. My latest is a guy selling a 4th gen trans am with a 3.8 V6 on craigslist. Also a few months back there was a guy on ebay selling an "84 Iroc Camero with a factory 350 all numbers matching" I had the listing removed and the next day it was re-posted and changed to a 84 Z28 with an aftermarket 350.

Call me a purest, but I hate it when people misrepresent items and take advantage of those who don't have the knowledge to know any better.

Jason444

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I'm with you 100% Drew.

'87IROCZOWNER69

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I think it looks pretty sweet actually. Oh and does anyone in the Portland area want it? http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/2165944586.html

90 camaro cj

he says all options but it doesnt look like its got the rear wipper :O lol

RubberDucky

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I like the seats lol. And door panels, I'd like to put them in my car. And I believe I have seen those rims on a car in the local JY.

Slash

tbh i sorta like that chin spoiler, anyone got any details on that?

Those rims are awful looking

TTA 1387

You obviously weren't around in the '80's then. Champ 500's were the wheels to have back then. Seemed like everybody wanted Centerline's

CamaroIROC88350

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I emailed him and told him that his car wasn't an IROC and it couldn't be. I told him the VIN doesn't prove it is and that it's an L69 Z28 car. I'm sure he won't like my email even though I was just saying the truth. To me it's worth maybe $6k.

CamaroIROC88350

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And if you guys think this is something, there's an ad on another for sale site for cars where a guy is saying he has a 1983 IROC-Z28 and he wants $25,000 for it! He says it's a converted Cross Fire Injected V8 IROC-Z28 car from California.




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GerryCat09

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Where I'm from theres a local guy who bought a "1991 IROC" from some very crafty private seller...the car clearly has RS gfx that still say RS, but hes convinced its an "RS IROC" cause thats what the seller told him...in fact the car is a 305 TBI RS with more bondo than a home-made r i c e r body kit...

hardon85

It is quite comical to what people will believe when they want to. But for both of these "supposed" IROCs I know if I were gonna try to fake an IROC the first thing I would do is put the IROC stickers on the doors.

PTBishop

I bought my camaro from a friend who told me the guy he bought it from said it was a Z28 Iroc (with a Z28 badge on the dash, and a spot where IROC had been), and it was used for racing as it had a built engine...sadly it has a stock 305 TBI and it is a base car...I am fairly certain in 88 they weren't considered Z28s either, but I could be mistaken...all of the misinformation I recieved didn't deter me from buying the car however since it was only $200 lol.

scottmoyer

In 1988, all Z28s were packaged with the IROC-Z appearance package. The RPO sticker in the center console will have RPO Z28. If the car doesn't have stripes or IROC-Z decals, also look for RPO DX3, stripe delete. Many people say the Z28 went away in 1988, but it didn't. You had the sport coupe or the Z28 only. Again, all Z28s were packaged as IROC-Zs from 1988-1990.

Iroctopless

As mentioned by scottmoyer, the Z28 didn't go away. My '89 IROCZ proudly displays it's a Z28 . . .


Where do you think the Z in IROCZ came from?

nedaCFilms

I can't stand it when retards call any 82-92 Camaro an IROC. I worked with a fella a few years ago that bragged about his 1992 IROC all the time...LOL!!! There was no sense in correcting the dumbass... it wouldn't have changed anything, he would have still been a dumbass...LOL!!!

CamaroIROC88350

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I used to talk to this fella who was going to help me do something with my car and he talked about his son who had died in a Camaro Z28. Well, he kept calling it a IROC even though I told him that in 1994 there were no IROC Camaro's. But he believed it until abit later on and he realized I was right. I think it's easy for people to just say that and not really care about the facts. But IROC's were only made for a short period so I don't know how so many people can get the facts mixed up when all you gotta do is Google for info and Thirdgen.org pops up alot!

1983Chimaera

Wow, there are just SO many things wrong with that ad...No IROC was ever offered with the catch-fire injection, the car is too early to be any flavor of IROC, and the convertible option wasn't offered until 1987. It may be an '83 that someone had aftermarket modified into a convertible, but since it isn't a "factory" one (at least as close as the 3rd gen convertible ASC conversions can be called) then it might actually LOWER the car's value. Not sure about the rims, but aren't those also a later style?

CamaroIROC88350

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Yeah, I think those rims are late 1980's style IROC rims. I am thinking 1988 to 1990? Those are the ones I wanted to get for my car but everyone around here wanted $300 to $400 for some 20 year old rims. I ended up with a set of 91 Z28 rims which look abit different.

1983Chimaera

It's because most people have no idea what IROC means or where it originates from. And some of the ones that do know think that only Camaros were IROC's. For the record;

IROC - International Race of Champions. The Camaro was licensed to use the name from 1985 until midnight Dec. 31st 1989. As of 12:01 Jan 1st 1990, GM could no longer use the license and all cars with the same option list were sold as Z28's. Porsche Carreras were used in 1974, and Camaros were used from 1975 - 1980, and 1984 - 1989. There was also a Dodge Charger Daytona IROC available in 1991 thru Mar. 2nd 1993 (raced 1990 - 1993), when it was replaced in the race series by the Dodge Avenger (raced 1994 - 1995). Interestingly, the IROC series went back to the F-body for its final years with the Firebird, from 1996 - 2006 when the series concluded.
The only two cars used in the series to actually be market with the name IROC were the Camaro IROC-Z and Dodge Charger Daytona IROC.

nedaCFilms

those are the 85-87 style IROC rims... 88-90 have the smaller double lines, instead of the single wide lines.

CamaroIROC88350

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Yeah, I agree. I have a blog on my website that talks about what IROC is and what it means what it stood for. Definitely a force of race cars that were some of the best ever to be shown on Sunday television.

1983Chimaera

Until they bankrupted it and ran it into the ground, then sold everything off at auction...~sigh~...now we're stuck with CRAPSCAR

1983Chimaera

What's really sad about that ad is it's what my '83 originally looked like (except the convertible hack job). But that's also before my car was painted bright tangerine orange (horrible orange peel down the driver's side and all), had the original H.O. 4-BBL 305 torn out and replaced with a big block, was used as a trailered drag cars for who knows how long, bought by a local cop who drove around with no seatbelts, no tail lights, no turn signals, no windshield wipers or wiper motor, a twisted together dash harness, and finally bought by me with a non-running partially assembled TBI 305 out of a '90 RS in it. Since then I've put a built 331 in it, changed out everything but the right A-arm, doors, glass, and rear hatch, and tried in vain to strip off and paint over that horrid tangerine paint...so far it's winning. Ahh, memories!

nedaCFilms

I was doing a job (heating-A/C) awhile back, and when I pulled in the driveway noticed a 91-92 Z28 sitting in the yard. An old fella (around 60ish) owns it... he was going to fix it up but lost interest I guess. It has been sitting for two years and the clear coat and paint is shot. Has a bit of surface rust but absolutely no rot. The interior is faded a bit and needs the typical dash pad.

I asked the fella if he wanted to sell it and he said "yeah, but no hurry... it has been sitting for awhile anyway". But he isn't planning on advertising it. I asked how much and he said around $1,800 (so surely he'd take $1,200 if he saw the $100 bills) I asked if I could check it out, he said, "sure thing"...

Once I got close I noticed the 5.7 Tuned Port Injection on the rear. Sweet I thought. So I checked the RPO sticker in the center console, and started drooling when I saw G92 code, N10 code and GU5 code... nice, a lighter weight "hard-top coupe" (thats right, no T-tops, sweeeeeeet) and the 245hp L98 TPI with G92 performance package (G92 turned into a full performance package after 1990) and 3.23 posi rear... dual Y-pipe exhaust, and 100% all original.

I think I may go get it after my income tax check comes after Feb, 11th.

It has been sitting for two years because the distributor went out, and he retired from his job and lost interest in fixing the car up for profit. It should be worth buying, fixing up, repainting and hanging onto for a few years. Put $3,000 into total including the car, and sell it for double in a few years maybe...

1983Chimaera

Sweet find, hope you get it!

There's a white hardtop sitting down the street from me that has been under a car cover for 3 years, no idea what the story on it is or even what model. I'ld ask about but my wife would KILL me if I brought home yet another car! (I have my '83 Z/28, an '88 MR2, a '94 Mustang, and an '84 Mustang SSP Tx DPS interceptor).

There's also a confirmed real '69 RS/SS sitting down on 181 South about 20 miles south of San Antonio. It's been there for years, is covered in tiny mold spots over the original paint and hockey stripe, and in general is going to slowly turn into a pile of rust and rubber dust. And of course, the owner REFUSES to sell it..."I'ma plannin' on gonna be fix'in 'er up someday..."

Makes me sick.

CamaroIROC88350

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Let me know what you do in regards to that car. I'd like to see a video of it if you can make one (if you buy it).

nedaCFilms

If I do get it I will make a few before, during and after vids, for sure. I miss my 1987 L98 5.7 TPI and have wanted another for some time... I'd rather find a 1990 L98 IROC because I'm not a huge fan of the 91-92 body work and rear spoilers, but I'm sure after owning it, those items would grow on me quickly.

305sbc

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It is common knowledge that the 1985 model was the first of the IROCZ line of Camaros.
What is not as commonly known or remembered is that the 1985 IROCZ models started being built in 1983, and first hit the streets in EARLY 1984.

There were some good reasons for this, one being that they wanted to get this "hot" car available for special order for high-school graduation presents. That's exactly what they did. A limited number of real IROCZs were driving to high-schools before the 1984 graduation.
Of course most of IROCZs were delivered to the lots in late 1984.

Though still considered 1985 model cars, you can see how a limited number of them could have a valid build date of early 1984, or even late 1983.

It is also obvious that there are a lot of fake claims out there and a lot of fake IROCZs.

yo soy el warg

Has anyone seen anything like this documented with an invoice, rpo, or window sticker. I've never heard of one having a 2 year difference in its production date and public delivery date? I would be very interested in this latest trivia if it can be documented.

aaron7

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Not all. My 1988 Iroc-Z (Z28 RPO) came factory with 15" 82-87 Z28 wheels with grey centercaps that said IROC on them.

yo soy el warg

The 16" wheels became optional in 88-90.

scottmoyer

No, you won't see any documentation on the IROC-Z being creating in 1983. The reason for this is because it never happened! Where these stories come from I don't know. I can't remember if the IROC-Z option was available immediately at the start of the 85 model year or if it was delayed. If it was available at the start, then it would have been built in the fall of 84, usually starting in September or October. Based on that, the car would not have been on the street in 84 for High school graduation. GM could not care about getting a car out in time for graduation. I'd like to see the source of this info.

aaron7

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The Iroc-Z being released early for graduation presents...?

People REALLY believe this crap? That one isn't even plausible lol

jharrison5

Guys maybe I'm seeing this listing from a different view, but I think he is actually saying this is an IROC race car. Well not an actual one but a street legal replica.

They used the camaro for the races from 75-91 so technically someone could actually have a 81 IROC, but it would be an actual race car. For that matter you could have an IROC Porsche, Dodge Daytona, or Trans Am. Also you technically could have a Trans Am series race car from the 60's & 70's from any one of the big three automakers. Then again they would all have had to been actual race cars.

I will admit though it is a sharp looking car in its own right. Well if you loose the wheels, hood, spoiler extension, fender vents, and strange 90's pinstripe on the doors. LOL!! Oh and for 28k it better clean itself and have a never empty fuel tank!

johnson54913

Hi I am new to thirdgen and I was just cruising around reading things and I came across this thread. I would like just like to point out that there is such thing as a 1984 iroc-z z28. It was introduced in 1984 and was available in automatic in this year only. Came with the 5.0 H.O. (L69). Not saying that the camaro that was on ebay was one of these but if it does not have the iroc decal on the sides then it was made in california being 1 of 500 that was special ordered by people who did not care for the decals. I actually have one of these. It is black with no markings and has the rare gray interior that says camaro up and down the seats in front and in the rear seats and also in the door panels in shades of gray black and white. I did a lot of research when I found it to find out exactly what I had because the car just seemed to have odd detail about it. And I must admit I was completely blown away by what I ended up having and had only paid 500 bucks for it. But he obviously did not know what he had. If you go on youtube.com and look up 1984 iroc-z z28 commercial you will see the actual commercial for when this car was introduced.

aaron7

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Wrong, wrong, and more wrong.

There never was, and never will be, a 1982/83/84 Iroc-Z. Sorry man.

The debadged 'California Iroc-Z' was 1985, not 1984.

johnson54913

Iroczone.com history of iroc states that they introduced the iroc-z/z28 in 1984 for the 1985 year.

aaron7

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Correct, as a 1985 model.

johnson54913

but is considered an 84. And titled that way.