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Would allow 2 flowmasters to be mounted, a little ingenuity to put them in that area, but i rather have (2) than the crap cross flow garbage! Not to mention that "DUMPED FLOWMASTER GROWL/SOUND"!!
Flowmaster is one of the worst mufflers you can buy for performance. There are straight thru mufflers with a single 3.5" or 4" inlet and outlet, and packaging would be straight forward easy. Hidden tailpipe and you're in business.
Flowmaster is one of the worst mufflers you can buy for performance. There are straight thru mufflers with a single 3.5" or 4" inlet and outlet, and packaging would be straight forward easy. Hidden tailpipe and you're in business.
not to mention some of the worst sounding. There are so many better options out there, its 2021 afterall.
The "crap cross flow garbage" often is completely straight thru from the inlet to the opposite outlet with a second outlet split off the middle. Compared to a Flowmaster chambered muffler with dead ends and delta walls, I'm not seeing the advantage over the muffler that actually fits the design of the car.
is it the one bout 2 1/2" dual vs single 3", i seen that my surprise the single 3" had more power WOW!
Kind of.... Had to have an awesome muffler or else it was far worse than the 2-1/2" duals. And the engine was only 400 hp so still within the capability of the 3-in exhaust.
No offense fellas, but 40 series, super 40's and the 50 series in some apps have the best rumble an growl ever.. Compared to others that sound like a wet popping "FART" when ya get on it.
(NOTHING) sounds sweeter than a FORD 302 tuned well with 2 40 series, i am just trying to get mine with that growl and the (ONLY WAY) is to either stack 2 of the low profile 50 series or 2 of the super 40's like i want in that configuration where the crossflow crap usually goes.
I had a crossflow 80, with pipes and tried straight dumped on a 350 TPI TA back in the day, sounded like crap both ways, sorry it did. If i am wrong about the sounds characteristics let along the popularity, then they wouldn't be one of the most popular exhaust mufflers with millions sold already now would they?
Sound preferences is one thing, everyone has their own, i am asking sheer mechanics, of will it work or possibly fit the way i am wanting to do it. That's it the end.
There's an old Car Craft magazine article where Chevrolet put a 502 in a '88 Camaro. There's a picture in it that will interest you where they laid out two mufflers similar to your concept but with dual 3" pipes over the axle. Maybe you can hunt it down on Google, or maybe somebody has a link to it. I know it's posted somewhere on this site.
No offense fellas, but 40 series, super 40's and the 50 series in some apps have the best rumble an growl ever.. Compared to others that sound like a wet popping "FART" when ya get on it.
(NOTHING) sounds sweeter than a FORD 302 tuned well with 2 40 series, i am just trying to get mine with that growl and the (ONLY WAY) is to either stack 2 of the low profile 50 series or 2 of the super 40's like i want in that configuration where the crossflow crap usually goes.
I had a crossflow 80, with pipes and tried straight dumped on a 350 TPI TA back in the day, sounded like crap both ways, sorry it did. If i am wrong about the sounds characteristics let along the popularity, then they wouldn't be one of the most popular exhaust mufflers with millions sold already now would they?
Sound preferences is one thing, everyone has their own, i am asking sheer mechanics, of will it work or possibly fit the way i am wanting to do it. That's it the end.
The mechanics of it is you should place your fingers on a keyboard to search Google for that article I told you about. It has a picture of two Flowbastards in stock location.
Looks like you will have to use the #952548 with the offset inlet/outlet with 2.5.
Check out the specs for size. Sketch it out on poster board with the dimensions and try it out under the car for reference.
One muffler with 2 outlets isn't enough, would choke it too bad.
I will get it done man. And no thanks to the *** hats running around making their ignorant comments here either. I see why this place is a shell of what it used to be. Too bad, it used to be the place to be! I don't blame people for not wanting to be here anymore, look at ignorance and stupidity they have to deal with for just asking a simple question of if something has enough room to fit.
One muffler with 2 outlets isn't enough, would choke it too bad.
I will get it done man. And no thanks to the *** hats running around making their ignorant comments here either. I see why this place is a shell of what it used to be. Too bad, it used to be the place to be! I don't blame people for not wanting to be here anymore, look at ignorance and stupidity they have to deal with for just asking a simple question of if something has enough room to fit.
ASTONISHING!.
It's a shell because of things like Facebook, people are lazy and entitled, it has nothing to do with the feedback from people.
You really have no idea what you're talking about, one muffler with two outlets can support well over 500 horse
If you knew, you wouldn't be here asking other randos for advice and then get angry at the responses because you don't like what you're being told
I think what they're really trying to say is that flowmasters restrict flow, and although your idea is possible, you might have more luck sourcing a different muffler with a different, or perhaps more standard layout.
Originally Posted by QwkTrip
There's an old Car Craft magazine article where Chevrolet put a 502 in a '88 Camaro. There's a picture in it that will interest you where they laid out two mufflers similar to your concept but with dual 3" pipes over the axle. Maybe you can hunt it down on Google, or maybe somebody has a link to it. I know it's posted somewhere on this site.
To be fair, I spent a hot minute looking for this and I couldn't find anything!
Thank You for being an "ADULT" with an "ADULT RESPONSE" and educated response.
Seems there is much hate on Flowmaster, the question was never about "FLOWMASTER" in particular, the "flowmaster butthurt" came out of some. Why i dunno.
You could literally replace the flowmaster with muffler "X" in that schematic, it was just my personal choice, question had (0) to do with brands, just actual mechanic and ideal of mounting.
Annihilate was looking at the article I suggested within 30 minutes of entering this thread. You're 8 days in and all you've done is thrash around like a wild as$. That's your choice.
I think what they're really trying to say is that flowmasters restrict flow, and although your idea is possible, you might have more luck sourcing a different muffler with a different, or perhaps more standard layout.
To be fair, I spent a hot minute looking for this and I couldn't find anything!
Yeah I did look for the article also. I tried several sources and found all kinds of exhaust and big block swaps, but not the 502 88 camaro build.
With the right size muffler, Im sure it can be done. A bullet style muffler would be no problem. The Flowmaster series 10 with offsets should fit, but the 40 or 44 might be tight. Just have to mock it up and see how much room you have left.
@badgta, read your initial post again, and then without knowing what the hell you're talking about try to tell us what that says, like WHERE do you intend to stick that mess? And you really wonder why people are treating you like a retard? Maybe you really have some clever idea that none of us has ever thought about... I doubt it, but none of us would ever know from what you wrote.
That said, that is exactly the packaging that was used on some mid 90's chevy trucks under the bed behind the cab, and they did sound OK (not good by most people's standards but better than stock...) with some flowmaster muffler models spliced into the stock pipes, specifically the deltflow ones, but besides the fact that I have no idea where you're going to do that with a pair of 19" or so muffler cases on an f-body, the bigger problem is that GM only did that on long bed trucks which had long tailpipes, and longer tailpipes quiet down some of the noise that is associated with Flowmaster mufflers, and second, the longer the pipe the lower it's harmonic frequency, tuning it for a deeper tone than you'll get on a f-body because of the lack of length. Now the reason that I specified the deltaflow mufflers is that Flowmaster designs have always had a problem with horrible cabin drone in the mid 2xxxrpm range, and the deltaflow mufflers fixed that somewhat. Back in the 2000's I worked at a speed shop and we avoided selling Flowmaster setups because too many people were unhappy with them and even tried to return them.
Second, you mention a ford 302 (I'm assuming a fox mustang and such). Well I hate to tell you this, but 5L fords have a different firing order and distinct geometry which makes them sound very different, and the whole combination is what sounded that way. Since then ford has worked HARD to maintain that distinct "mustang sound" even with the mod motors. If you look closely at their exhausts since then you'll notice all sorts of little tricks towards that end, things like running 2 different size mufflers, odd, unnecessary bends and size changes that do not match side to side... this is nowhere near as simple as sticking 2 40 series mufflers on a cambird. Heck, you could take the exhaust off of a fox mustang, stick it on a SBC and it would sound totally different. Lets take this a step further, a 305 and a 350 SBC sound completely different. Put a different cam in the engine and it sounds different. One of my favorite sounding exhausts on these cars is 3/4 length headers (headman are preferred but the hooker ones work also), dual high flow cats into flowmaster Y and a single 3" pipe over the axle and out the back with no muffler. It sounds INCREDIBLE on a stockish 305, especially the early crossfire cars and also the later TPI cars. The funny thing is that it doesn't sound right at all on a 350 powered car, even a 350 TPI car with the same stock cam, or a 305 with a decent cam.
If you like the flowmaster sound, well great. Most don't. But don't even try to argue that they work better than most good setups. They are basically 70's tech that they started selling in the early 80's and for the most part hasn't been improved significantly in 30 or more years. By the time the the 80's was over the stock mufflers and exhausts that came on these cars flowed better than a comparable flowmaster setup. The stock 4th gen setup looked identical and I've tested it back to back with the stock muffler and straight pipes and I wasn't able to show a difference at the dragstrip or the dyno (I had an '97 WS6 TA that I had cut the intermediate pipe right before the muffler and installed a flange so I could remove it at the track in the staging lanes in about 3minutes so I could test same track, same day, same conditions...). The last new muffler design that flowmaster has come out with was the hushpower series which I believe are from the 90's and are both quieter and flow better than any of the traditional flowmaster designs. Stock, quiet OEM sedan mufflers from the 2000's and up flow better than anything similar layout from flowmaster.
If you want to stick 2 flowmasters on your f-body, well great, knock yourself out. Will it work? Well, you'll have an exhaust on an f-body, does that count as working? Don't expect most others to like it, and by the time you wedge 2 full size flowmsters under an f-body you'll have no ground clearance and I doubt it will flow better than the stock exhaust, much less a well thought out modern design.
While I'm at it, flomasters aren't even what they were 10years ago- go find a current one on a shelf and look at it, the company was sold 10 years ago and production has been outsourced since then, made in china, they are actually Chinese copies of the original designs.
There you go again, crying about "FLOWMASTERS" when (YET AGAIN) it had (Z E R O) to do with "FLOWMASTER"..
I used that as "MY CHOICE" in that schematic, has nothing to do with them exactly, you can insert "MUFFLER X" in the place for whatever it means personally, muffler choice has again, NOTHING to do with it. ...
Now you went through that whole big spiel to whine about flowmaster's also. Really? WHY? Did i not say it enough it was my "PERSONAL CHOICE" and it did (NOT) have anything to do with said question?!?! Was it really worth it for you to do so? Do you feel better now about yourself???
Do you not see my point as well as others who read this when i said (SOME OF YOU) who have replied here need some (SERIOUS MENTAL HELP) with this hate toward a certain brands or mods, especially considering how you have went well out of your ways to completely avoid the question at hand and to use the post as an opportunity to show your **** retentiveness and butturt toward certain brands again that has (Z E R O) to do with it..
GROW UP PEOPLE!!
If i wanted your "OPINIONS" on sound characteristics, flow methodology, cfm, name it, i would have asked for it or made a post saying "MUFFLER CHOICE AND FLOW HELP" etc, or something of that nature.... But (MANY OF YOU) who posted took it as nothing more but a chance to start a (crying bitch fest / titty baby tantrum), a way to throw hate over a damn shitty muffler instead of simply answering a question about "ROOM/SPACE IDEAL" or not. It's painfully obvious to all who read it... Anyone who can read can (CLEARLY) see how you took a thread asking about room and space and started bashing and hating for no reason while completley ignoring the question i asked.
It also proves my point each and every time i said "I UNDERSTAND WHY THIS PLACE ISN'T WHAT IT USED TO BE". You guys whom have acted the way you have have proven why this place isn't what it used to be with actions like you comitte dhere and the hate and vitrial you have showed against a muffler when it had again (Z E R O) to do with brands/mufflers and more on the mounting of such ideal...
I even went out of my way to explain "I LIKE IT", or to me "IT SOUNDS SWEET" in hopes you guys would let it go on that part yet you just couldn't...
Has anyone ever taught (ANY) of you who posted your negative garbage crying about muffler and flow that if you have nothing positive to say, comment, or help then it's best to not say anything at all?
As for me, i will do it/try it as i planned, i will put 2 back there, don't give a **** who likes it here or not, but it's my personal hope that the ones who just wanna run around making their childish ignorant remarks and stupidity will grow the hell up and start being more positive, because this place will never get back on track to being what it used to be with **** attitudes knocking others for no reason everyday trolling like 2yr olds.
My best wishes.. And to the "ADULTS" who responded logically, and thoughtfully to the question at hand i say (THANK YOU) and you are the reason i stay and other will contribute from your knowledge one day. Don't change and end up like certain "OTHERS" here have shown themselves to be.
Mods.. Lock it down, i am over it, was the other day, no need for it to stay up.
Has anyone ever taught (ANY) of you who posted your negative garbage crying about muffler and flow that if you have nothing positive to say, comment, or help then it's best to not say anything at all?
Wait, I'll try. You did provide the rest of us with some comic relief 😎
03-06-2021, 08:18 PM
Asians with Down Syndrome.