Exhaust Post your questions and suggestions about stock or aftermarket exhaust setups. Third Gen exhaust sound files and videos!

3.1 to 3.4 with 3.4 headers?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 11-05-2010, 03:35 PM
  #1  
Supreme Member

Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
Base91's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Georgetown TX
Posts: 1,928
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Car: Base 91 'bird
Engine: 3.1 v6
Transmission: 4L60
Axle/Gears: 9-bolt 3.27 & PBR
3.1 to 3.4 with 3.4 headers?

Anyone know? In California can you swap a 3.4 for a 3.1 legally (title update?) and then use the 3.4 headers legally because they are CARB approved? If so just how much "massaging" is required to make the 3.4 headers fit a '91 F'bird? Or could the 2.8 headers have the AIR port added so it all at least looks legal?
Old 11-07-2010, 08:40 PM
  #2  
Moderator

iTrader: (1)
 
Kevin91Z's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: Orange, SoCal
Posts: 10,943
Received 19 Likes on 17 Posts
Car: 1990 Pontiac Trans Am
Engine: 355 TPI siamesed runners
Transmission: Tremec T56
Axle/Gears: 12-Bolt 3.73
Re: 3.1 to 3.4 with 3.4 headers?

I dont know if the exhaust ports are the same on 3.1 heads vs 3.4 heads, but if they are, you can swap a 3.4L engine into your car with no trouble. Then you can use the 3.1L headers. Just dont say anything to the smog guys. They'll never know the difference. There is a tech article in the Tech Articles section from the front page of this website that describes the process.
Old 11-07-2010, 08:45 PM
  #3  
Supreme Member

iTrader: (1)
 
Pillsbry10's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Evansville, IN
Posts: 2,023
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Car: 1992 Camaro RS 25th Anniversary
Engine: 3.4L v6 with a t3/t4 Turbo
Transmission: T-5 Conversion
Axle/Gears: 3.23 SLP Limited Slip
Re: 3.1 to 3.4 with 3.4 headers?

yes the heads are the same

problem is if you use smog approved 3.4 headers the number on the headers will reflect that its a 3.4 and not the original engine wont it? they do take a good amount of massaging to get the 3.4 headers to work.

you cant just put the whole 3.4 in the car as its not original equipment, you might could get away with it with EVERYTHING from a 3.4 car but i doubt it
Old 11-07-2010, 09:29 PM
  #4  
Senior Member

 
Awesome-X's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Bloomfield, IN
Posts: 880
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Car: 87 Camaro
Engine: 305
Transmission: 700R4
Re: 3.1 to 3.4 with 3.4 headers?

The heads on the 3.4 are exactly the same heads that are on all the 60v6's (2.8-3.4) so they would work just fine or you could probably just add that AIR port and they probably wouldn't see the difference. I'd go with the cheapest option
Old 05-16-2013, 12:39 PM
  #5  
Member
iTrader: (1)
 
KG427KG427's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 466
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Car: 1991 camaro
Engine: 3.1L V6 dynomax exhaust
Transmission: 700r4 auto
Axle/Gears: 89 iroc-z 9bolt disc+posi 3.27
Re: 3.1 to 3.4 with 3.4 headers?

link to these California legal headers ? and they will fit on a 3.1 or 3.4 correct
Old 05-16-2013, 12:57 PM
  #6  
Member
 
Kingsobieski's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 124
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Re: 3.1 to 3.4 with 3.4 headers?

3.4 has 02 sensors in the exhaust manifolds. 3.1 has a single o2 in the y-pipe. You'd need to have the holes sealed up where the o2 sensors go.
Old 05-16-2013, 01:08 PM
  #7  
Supreme Member

Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
Base91's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Georgetown TX
Posts: 1,928
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Car: Base 91 'bird
Engine: 3.1 v6
Transmission: 4L60
Axle/Gears: 9-bolt 3.27 & PBR
Re: 3.1 to 3.4 with 3.4 headers?

Headers are Pacesetter 70-1206 but they are only legal for 2.8. Strictly speaking.
Old 08-14-2013, 01:27 AM
  #8  
Member
iTrader: (1)
 
KG427KG427's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 466
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Car: 1991 camaro
Engine: 3.1L V6 dynomax exhaust
Transmission: 700r4 auto
Axle/Gears: 89 iroc-z 9bolt disc+posi 3.27
Re: 3.1 to 3.4 with 3.4 headers?

Kevin

Do you know any1 or any1 from California? Willing to install headers on my 3.1? Let me know the price and how long I would need to leave it
Old 08-17-2013, 12:44 PM
  #9  
Moderator

iTrader: (1)
 
Kevin91Z's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: Orange, SoCal
Posts: 10,943
Received 19 Likes on 17 Posts
Car: 1990 Pontiac Trans Am
Engine: 355 TPI siamesed runners
Transmission: Tremec T56
Axle/Gears: 12-Bolt 3.73
Re: 3.1 to 3.4 with 3.4 headers?

You'd have to talk to Dyno Don.
Old 08-18-2013, 01:16 AM
  #10  
Member
iTrader: (1)
 
KG427KG427's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 466
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Car: 1991 camaro
Engine: 3.1L V6 dynomax exhaust
Transmission: 700r4 auto
Axle/Gears: 89 iroc-z 9bolt disc+posi 3.27
Re: 3.1 to 3.4 with 3.4 headers?

Originally Posted by Kevin91Z
You'd have to talk to Dyno Don.
Ok ill try I thought he was v8 guy only
Old 08-18-2013, 01:19 AM
  #11  
Member
iTrader: (1)
 
KG427KG427's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 466
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Car: 1991 camaro
Engine: 3.1L V6 dynomax exhaust
Transmission: 700r4 auto
Axle/Gears: 89 iroc-z 9bolt disc+posi 3.27
Re: 3.1 to 3.4 with 3.4 headers?

Originally Posted by Base91
Headers are Pacesetter 70-1206 but they are only legal for 2.8. Strictly speaking.
Ok so just have to fill up the whole on the 2.8 headers.

Is heat an issue and my car is a daily driver will this kill my mpg ??

I can tune it I have moates chip thing fasteddi burns for me
Old 08-19-2013, 11:37 AM
  #12  
Moderator

iTrader: (1)
 
Kevin91Z's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: Orange, SoCal
Posts: 10,943
Received 19 Likes on 17 Posts
Car: 1990 Pontiac Trans Am
Engine: 355 TPI siamesed runners
Transmission: Tremec T56
Axle/Gears: 12-Bolt 3.73
Re: 3.1 to 3.4 with 3.4 headers?

Don does many different things, and exhaust is one of his specialties. I know he doesnt have any room now if you're in a hurry, but he might be able to recommend someone else.

No, headers do not kill your gas mileage. If anything, they will help as the exhaust gas from each cylinder has its own tube to travel in instead of being bunched up in the small stock exhaust manifold.
Old 08-21-2013, 09:54 AM
  #13  
Member
iTrader: (1)
 
KG427KG427's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 466
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Car: 1991 camaro
Engine: 3.1L V6 dynomax exhaust
Transmission: 700r4 auto
Axle/Gears: 89 iroc-z 9bolt disc+posi 3.27
Re: 3.1 to 3.4 with 3.4 headers?

Originally Posted by Kevin91Z
Don does many different things, and exhaust is one of his specialties. I know he doesnt have any room now if you're in a hurry, but he might be able to recommend someone else.

No, headers do not kill your gas mileage. If anything, they will help as the exhaust gas from each cylinder has its own tube to travel in instead of being bunched up in the small stock exhaust manifold.
I am in no rush, but would like to schedule something what is the best way to shoot him a message to get a responds at his convenience.
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Rousseau92maro
Exhaust
9
02-01-2016 05:12 PM
redformula88
Engine/Drivetrain/Suspension Parts for Sale
2
10-14-2015 06:08 PM
beltran89
Theoretical and Street Racing
46
10-07-2015 07:36 PM
cking99
Tech / General Engine
3
09-22-2015 11:33 AM



Quick Reply: 3.1 to 3.4 with 3.4 headers?



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:49 AM.