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Re-pinning connectors, tools, etc. etc.

Did a search and found a few vague references, but wanted to ask a more direct question.

Sooo I know the plastic connectors that are all over our cars are fairly simple. A tool depresses little clips on the pin, the pin slide out, and then you either put that pin in another slot, or crimp a new pin onto a new wire, depending on your needs. In my specific case, I'm installing a hotwire kit to my new Aeromotive gas tank. I'd like to use the existing tank side 3 pin connector from the factory, but add heavier gauge power and ground wires on the tank side.

The Question: Do ALL our connectors, all over the car use the SAME tool to remove the pins, or are they different? I'll have other places I'd like to repin/rewire, and I figure they're good tools to have. I'll also need the actual pin pieces as well. Anyone got any links???
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I have these I've used couple times. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/otc-4822
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Stock connector at pigtail to fuel tank is a Weather Pack style.

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/ltx-...lectrical.html

All the details for the connector are in Post #12
Crimp splices to join multiple wires are in Post #13
Tools are in Post #14
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Nice! ...thanks for the replies
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Qwktrip....dude....that's a heck of a thread!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks!!!
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According to the Delphi product catalog those Weather-Pack terminals are rated from 0-20 Amp depending on wire size. If you need to carry more than 20A per terminal then need to talk about upsizing to a different series of connector.
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Originally Posted by Abubaca
Did a search and found a few vague references, but wanted to ask a more direct question.

Sooo I know the plastic connectors that are all over our cars are fairly simple. A tool depresses little clips on the pin, the pin slide out, and then you either put that pin in another slot, or crimp a new pin onto a new wire, depending on your needs. In my specific case, I'm installing a hotwire kit to my new Aeromotive gas tank. I'd like to use the existing tank side 3 pin connector from the factory, but add heavier gauge power and ground wires on the tank side.

The Question: Do ALL our connectors, all over the car use the SAME tool to remove the pins, or are they different? I'll have other places I'd like to repin/rewire, and I figure they're good tools to have. I'll also need the actual pin pieces as well. Anyone got any links???
The TGO member "vorteciroc" sells this stuff, send him a PM and I'll bet he's got just what you need as well as all the parts and pins....
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Qwktrip....dude....that's a heck of a thread!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks!!!
It truly is an amazing looking and incredibly detailed Thread!!!
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Purchase your Connectors, Terminals, and Tools all at Mouser.com

The GM/ Delphi Terminal Removal Tool is Part Number: 12014012 (Delphi Part Number, NOT a GM Part Number):




And Yes, the Weather-Pack Terminals are rated at a MAX Continuous Ampacity of 20A.

Weather-Pack Terminals are available as:
-10/12 AWG
-14/16 AWG
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-22/24 AWG

The Male Terminal for 10AWG/ 12AWG TXL Wire is Delphi Part Number: #12124587.
The Female Terminal for 10AWG/ 12AWG TXL Wire is Delphi Part Number: #12124581.

Instead of passing the Ground Connection through the 3-Way Weather-Pack Body Connector (C313)...
Ground the Pump to a good Ground under the Vehicle.
Then use the Un-Used Terminal as another Power-Terminal for up to 40A accross 2 Terminals.
One 10 Gauge Wire can be split into 2 14AWG wires to go in and out of the Body Connector:





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OK great...thank you. Just PM'd you, then came back and saw your response.
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Instead of passing the Ground Connection through the 3-Way Weather-Pack Body Connector (C313)...
Ground the Pump to a good Ground under the Vehicle.
Then use the Un-Used Terminal as another Power-Terminal for up to 40A accross 2 Terminals.
One 10 Gauge Wire can be split into 2 14AWG wires to go in and out of the Body Connector:
That makes sense, and I WAS looking to do a 10ga so this solution will work great. Thank you.
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OK great...thank you. Just PM'd you, then came back and saw your response.
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Any tricks/hacks to crimping 10/12 gauge? ...or the seals??? ...I've found some hobbyist (me) level crimpers that are pretty inexpensive, but I can't find any that do 10/12 gauge, AND have a the seal crimps too. Now these are cheap, around $20 bucks or so, so I suppose buying one of each will be worthwhile in the long run, but still. Any hacks? -or do we just spend the money on tools!!??!! I do love my tool buying!!!!
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I have a set like this, just fewer pieces. Ive had it several years, works very well.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/37401892899...MAAOSwyUlg2TtM
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I bought this Pertronix kit off summit:

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/afte...connector.html

It enabled me to repair / replace my weatherpack stuff, crimpers worked fine.
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Only 2 Crimpers are needed to be able to handle (Crimp) almost all (90%) of the Connector Types used in our Cars.


It is the best $200 Investment you can make, for servicing the Connectors in our Cars.

Crimper #1 For Crimping the Wire Conductor in the "B" shaped Dies, and the Wire Seals in the "O" shaped Dies:
-Delphi #12085270:


Crimper #2 For Crimping the Wire Conductor in the different sized "B" Dies:
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Both found at: Mouser.com
Inventory is currently low, but still in Stock @ $100.00 Each.

When GM first sold these to their Dealerships/ Technicians...
They were $489.99 each, LOL!

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Komet, that looks like a decent kit. For THIS go around, with my tank connector, I actually found a 3 wire weather pack already assembled with 10ga wire, so I bought it. Cheapest way to go, AND it's all ready to go. Once I get to the engine side of this project though, I do forsee making several new connections, and I'll probably pick up something similar to that kit.
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There are Two other Terminal Extractors that will be need required for the Connectors of Our Cars:
-Delphi: #12094429 and #12094430:


They should be about $30 Each at Mouser.com.

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Vortec, our PMs and posts are like two ships crossing paths in the night!!! LOL

....but I'm definitely looking into some higher quality tools when it comes time for the engine. ...I'm specifically hoping to make multiple wire "connector" for my custom Speedhut gauge cluster, so I only need to unhook one connector and then remove the whole assembly like normal. More on that later.
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I'm sure a lot of you remember the electrical wizard Pocket? (Jon). Anyhow, I'm fortunate enough to have him as local friend here in NC. He's helped me in the past with plenty of electrical info, and he just replied back to me on FB with a lot of similar into. Thanks to everyone responding. I appreciate the help.
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Your welcome, have fun!
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It truly is an amazing looking and incredibly detailed Thread!!!
Haha, yeah it's about 50% yours too. You're like my Yoda when it comes to connectors.
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LOL! @QwkTrip

So basically, you are saying: I am really old... and about to go off into the Electrical Engineering Electron-Heavens along with Tesla.
...BTW, Edison didn't get in!

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I'll work on a better analogy. LOL!
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Originally Posted by Abubaca
to my new Aeromotive gas tank
To your gas tank? Curious why you chose to say it that way. Might it be one of these?
Gen II Stealth Fuel Tank 82-92 Camaro – Aeromotive, Inc (aeromotiveinc.com)

I've been looking at those and considering one. If that's what you have, then report back and tell us how this is going and what you think, please.

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Re: Re-pinning connectors, tools, etc. etc.

Originally Posted by Abubaca
For THIS go around, with my tank connector, I actually found a 3 wire weather pack already assembled with 10ga wire, so I bought it. Cheapest way to go, AND it's all ready to go.
I just finished using a generic weatherpack 3 pin connector to do the same job you're planning on. Just FYI to look at the existing pigtail and your new one and compare the slots in the weatherpack connector. The slots need to be there on the new one too or else it won't plug up snugly into the car-side weatherpack female connector. I ended up using a hacksaw on mine to add the slots to the new connector.
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