WARNING for modern GM Vehicles
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WARNING for modern GM Vehicles
WARNING for modern GM Vehicles!
Several of you messaged me, after I made a Post in an Air-Bag/ DERM Thread...
So I am re-Posting here, where the information would be easier to find/ search for.
This applies to all modern GM Vehicles, and most all modern Vehicles regardless of Make and Model.
I want to note that nothing posted here is a secret... and is not part of a "Big-Brother"/ Government hunt for your personal information.
Your Vehicle has a "Black-Box" device, similar to what a person would think of, in regard to an Air-Plane.
Should someone ever look to take legal action towards the Manufacturer of their Vehicle...
Absolutely, do NOT make up some Bull-$hit!
The Truth will be revealed by the Data stored in the "Black-Box".
From a previous Post:
Several of you messaged me, after I made a Post in an Air-Bag/ DERM Thread...
So I am re-Posting here, where the information would be easier to find/ search for.
This applies to all modern GM Vehicles, and most all modern Vehicles regardless of Make and Model.
I want to note that nothing posted here is a secret... and is not part of a "Big-Brother"/ Government hunt for your personal information.
Your Vehicle has a "Black-Box" device, similar to what a person would think of, in regard to an Air-Plane.
Should someone ever look to take legal action towards the Manufacturer of their Vehicle...
Absolutely, do NOT make up some Bull-$hit!
The Truth will be revealed by the Data stored in the "Black-Box".
From a previous Post:
Anyone of you that own a GM Vehicle from roughly 2003/ 2004 to a new Model...
The SDM is not only used for Supplemental Inflatable Restraint purposes.
It is actually a "Black Box"/ recording device.
Similar to what one would think of, for an Air Plane.
Dealer Level Employees and lower, do not have access to the recorded Data.
However Engineering and Corporate Level Employees do.
I have had to testify many times (for GM) in Court; when People have sued GM.
Most People have no idea that their Vehicle has a "Black Box"...
and they make all kinds of crazy claims!
One guy had a new (for that Year) 2007 GMC Yukon Denali.
He used it for Limo Services.
He said one morning he went to start the car in his driveway...
the Engine started, and immediately seized.
When I reviewed the SDM DATA, it said the following (note, I am not including most of the info):
Time= 3:42.13 AM
Location= (shows a geo-location, and road location) Interstate 95
MIL status= ON, Duration 4min 06sec
Oil Pres= 3.80Psi
Accelerator Pos= 100%, Duration 4min 31sec
Vehicle Velocity= 131.74 MPH
Crank Speed/ RPM= 6,600/ Limit
Duration at 6,600 RPM= 3min 36sec
Time= 3:42.14 AM
Location= (shows a geo-location, and road location) Interstate 95
MIL status= ON, Duration 4min 07sec
Oil Pres= 0.00Psi
Accelerator Pos= 100%, Duration 4min 32sec
Vehicle Velocity= 131.68 MPH
Crank Speed/ RPM= 0
Duration N/A
He also never changed the Engine Oil at 11,000+ Miles.
So was the Limo driver telling the truth?
The SDM is not only used for Supplemental Inflatable Restraint purposes.
It is actually a "Black Box"/ recording device.
Similar to what one would think of, for an Air Plane.
Dealer Level Employees and lower, do not have access to the recorded Data.
However Engineering and Corporate Level Employees do.
I have had to testify many times (for GM) in Court; when People have sued GM.
Most People have no idea that their Vehicle has a "Black Box"...
and they make all kinds of crazy claims!
One guy had a new (for that Year) 2007 GMC Yukon Denali.
He used it for Limo Services.
He said one morning he went to start the car in his driveway...
the Engine started, and immediately seized.
When I reviewed the SDM DATA, it said the following (note, I am not including most of the info):
Time= 3:42.13 AM
Location= (shows a geo-location, and road location) Interstate 95
MIL status= ON, Duration 4min 06sec
Oil Pres= 3.80Psi
Accelerator Pos= 100%, Duration 4min 31sec
Vehicle Velocity= 131.74 MPH
Crank Speed/ RPM= 6,600/ Limit
Duration at 6,600 RPM= 3min 36sec
Time= 3:42.14 AM
Location= (shows a geo-location, and road location) Interstate 95
MIL status= ON, Duration 4min 07sec
Oil Pres= 0.00Psi
Accelerator Pos= 100%, Duration 4min 32sec
Vehicle Velocity= 131.68 MPH
Crank Speed/ RPM= 0
Duration N/A
He also never changed the Engine Oil at 11,000+ Miles.
So was the Limo driver telling the truth?
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11-17-2021, 09:59 PM
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Re: WARNING for modern GM Vehicles
Whats wrong?
Nobody else has held the Throttle to the floor, at the RPM Red-Line for 3-Minutes and 36-Seconds?
No one?
How about doing the above, with only 3.8 Psi of Engine Oil-Pressure?
Still nobody?
Damn! ...how about doing the above, while driving down the Expressway at 130 MPH?
O.... I get it now.
The rest of all of you have a Brain.
The Limo Driver did not have a Brain.
Who would have thought that an Engine could seize, when driving like that, and having 0.75 Quarts of Oil still in the Engine?
Pfft... who needs Engine Oil changes??? Boomer!
Nobody else has held the Throttle to the floor, at the RPM Red-Line for 3-Minutes and 36-Seconds?
No one?
How about doing the above, with only 3.8 Psi of Engine Oil-Pressure?
Still nobody?
Damn! ...how about doing the above, while driving down the Expressway at 130 MPH?
O.... I get it now.
The rest of all of you have a Brain.
The Limo Driver did not have a Brain.
Who would have thought that an Engine could seize, when driving like that, and having 0.75 Quarts of Oil still in the Engine?
Pfft... who needs Engine Oil changes??? Boomer!
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Re: WARNING for modern GM Vehicles
Double wow.
Yeah, vehicles do spy on you. I'm not doing illegal stuff. Well, I guess I'm over the speed limit fairly often, but who isn't. Not really concerned about being monitored, but it is a little creepy.
Has anyone else noticed this.... I have a 2019 Cadillac ATS and prior to that, a 2014 Jeep Cherokee. When my Traveler's Insurance renewal papers arrive, they have the current mileage of my vehicle listed (not the Pontiac, way too old). It's isn't an estimate, it's precise to the time that the bill was printed. I don't really care that my ATS has a black box that records information, but I do think it's wrong that Chrysler and GM are sharing this data with insurance companies and who knows who else. That data should only be used by GM for internal research, and perhaps in an emergency or crash situation. But I'm sure I signed something when I purchased that allows them to do this, and there probably was no opt-out.
Yeah, vehicles do spy on you. I'm not doing illegal stuff. Well, I guess I'm over the speed limit fairly often, but who isn't. Not really concerned about being monitored, but it is a little creepy.
Has anyone else noticed this.... I have a 2019 Cadillac ATS and prior to that, a 2014 Jeep Cherokee. When my Traveler's Insurance renewal papers arrive, they have the current mileage of my vehicle listed (not the Pontiac, way too old). It's isn't an estimate, it's precise to the time that the bill was printed. I don't really care that my ATS has a black box that records information, but I do think it's wrong that Chrysler and GM are sharing this data with insurance companies and who knows who else. That data should only be used by GM for internal research, and perhaps in an emergency or crash situation. But I'm sure I signed something when I purchased that allows them to do this, and there probably was no opt-out.
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Re: WARNING for modern GM Vehicles
Nothing is actually monitoring you...
Someone from Engineering has to physically access the SDM in your Vehicle and download the Data.
The ONLY module with an Internet Connection/ GPS Connection is the VCM (OnStar Module).
This is how the Vehicle Mileage is reported.
Someone from Engineering has to physically access the SDM in your Vehicle and download the Data.
The ONLY module with an Internet Connection/ GPS Connection is the VCM (OnStar Module).
This is how the Vehicle Mileage is reported.
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Not that it really matters, but I think it's just wrong to provide that mileage data to anyone.
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I'm not debating that I "signed up for it" (I said that in my post above), though the alternative is "buy a different car." I'm just saying that I think sharing information like that is wrong. I don't care if OnStar gathers it. GM and the other makers shouldn't share it. The probably sell information like this to other marketers. It's just wrong.
You said, "nothing is actually monitoring you," which is clearly wrong since they are getting mileage data. And probably location data as well.
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I'd like to know how to disable the stupid tpms setups. God I hate those things. esp after replacing them all in the last year. PAIN IN THE A** and wallet.
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I'm not debating that I "signed up for it" (I said that in my post above), though the alternative is "buy a different car." I'm just saying that I think sharing information like that is wrong. I don't care if OnStar gathers it. GM and the other makers shouldn't share it. The probably sell information like this to other marketers. It's just wrong.
You said, "nothing is actually monitoring you," which is clearly wrong since they are getting mileage data. And probably location data as well.
You said, "nothing is actually monitoring you," which is clearly wrong since they are getting mileage data. And probably location data as well.
But is not "Actively" monitoring you.
The closest Product that "Actively" monitors you, would be something like "Snap-Shot" from Progressive Insurance.
I completely agree with you on the sharing of personal Data.
However, thanks to Microsoft, Apple, and Google... Your Personal Data has become the single most valuable commodity in the World.
I am not surprised that GM has jumped on that Band-Wagon.
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and in most States, a Vehicle can not be Registered/ Inspected without a functioning TPM System.
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Technically, OnStar has access to the Vehicle GPS and Mileage at anytime...
But is not "Actively" monitoring you.
The closest Product that "Actively" monitors you, would be something like "Snap-Shot" from Progressive Insurance.
I completely agree with you on the sharing of personal Data.
However, thanks to Microsoft, Apple, and Google... Your Personal Data has become the single most valuable commodity in the World.
I am not surprised that GM has jumped on that Band-Wagon.
But is not "Actively" monitoring you.
The closest Product that "Actively" monitors you, would be something like "Snap-Shot" from Progressive Insurance.
I completely agree with you on the sharing of personal Data.
However, thanks to Microsoft, Apple, and Google... Your Personal Data has become the single most valuable commodity in the World.
I am not surprised that GM has jumped on that Band-Wagon.
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Sick of all the dash lights popping on and off for stupid stuff, talk about a distraction, I'm running out of tape to cover them all! lol
My daily G5 beater has 240,000 miles on it (bought it with 3k miles). Still getting recall letters in the mail for a couple things that actually work. If I make it another 100k ill be happy but with the way the sunroof is making the 1/4s rust and the rusty fuel/evap lines around the clamps, it may not get much farther.
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As usual, I would not be surprised if GM was spreading a little white Lie, in regard to TPMS...
It would not be the first time.
I personally am ONLY familiar with New York State (where I live) Regulations...
and here in NY; a Vehicle will 100% Fail the NYS Annual Vehicle Inspection (Per NY State Law) without a fully functional TPM System
(Vehicles that Pre-Date the TPM System are excluded).
Current Registrants may not renew their 2-Year Vehicle Registration without a Current Passed NYS Annual Vehicle Inspection.
New Registrants may not complete their 2-Year Vehicle Registration without a Current Passed NYS Annual Vehicle Inspection.
It would not be the first time.
I personally am ONLY familiar with New York State (where I live) Regulations...
and here in NY; a Vehicle will 100% Fail the NYS Annual Vehicle Inspection (Per NY State Law) without a fully functional TPM System
(Vehicles that Pre-Date the TPM System are excluded).
Current Registrants may not renew their 2-Year Vehicle Registration without a Current Passed NYS Annual Vehicle Inspection.
New Registrants may not complete their 2-Year Vehicle Registration without a Current Passed NYS Annual Vehicle Inspection.
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