chevyracingrox

Hi there,
I'm not getting any data flow using either WinALDL or Tunerpro RT. I'm using a ALDU1 and CABL1 from Moates, and have been using the 10k ohm setting. I tried switching to "open" but without success. I'm trying to connect with a '7747 ecm in an 89 K1500.

In Tunerpro RT I've used a 42.ads and converted it to .adx then edited the file to have 67 as the body size. When I test the cable, it shows up as good and when I hit "Aquire Data" I get that box at the bottom that says "DA:Connecting" that could go for eternity.

In WinALDL I have set in configurations for the '7747 ecm, Com 6 which checks out as ok and 4800 as my baud. I click START under datalogger with all boxes or just one checked, but nothing happens besides the START button turning to STOP.

Under port settings latency timer has been turned down to 1 for Com 6, transfer sizes are 4096 bytes, and time outs are set to 0.

I have tried connecting KOEO and while the vehicle is running, but it doesn't seem to make a difference.

Am I missing anything? Help would be appreciated, thank you in advance.

Tuned Performance

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160 baud data transfer rate

chevyracingrox

Where do I need to make sure I have that? In Tunerpro, under data transfer, packet type is set at 160 baud. Directly above that it says Baud 0 (0 = default apparently?)

EDIT: changed baud to 160 and packet type to static and now I get "DA: connected" which is good, but I'm still not getting any data.

chevyracingrox

Now noticing I can replicate my results of being connected, but I'm sitting in my house with the cable plugged in to my laptop. Anyone know if that's normal?

Six_Shooter

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Yeah, that's "normal."

Go to gearhead-efi.com and look for the '7747 $42 thread, in there there are known good ADS and ADX files. I use the "7747-Sort" (Or some name that is similar) when I tune '7747 ECMs.

The '7747 does NOT use the 10K ohm resistor to connect, that is used only with the '7165 (early TPI) ECM. Though in some ECMs it will put them into an "ALDL mode" when using the 10K ohm resistor, but it's not a datalogging property, but a way for tech years ago to make sure that the device was connected to the vehicle. Using the 10K ohm resistor will in some ECMs cause the idle RPM to raise to 1200 RPM.

ninetyone

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Use TTS Datamaster. I could never hook up with Tunerpro either.

Six_Shooter

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Tuner Pro works fine, you just have to use good definition files.

chevyracingrox

I thought TTS was only for 91-94ish trucks?

I tried using a $42-1227747-V5.0.adx and $42-1227747-V3T.adx (I'm using the latest version of TP RT) but still getting the same results, just a different looking dash and monitor.
What else should I check?

Tuned Performance

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have you checked the driver installation and device status ?

http://support.moates.net/troublesho...-installation/

Tuned Performance

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$42-1227747-V4 (and up) .xdf and $42-1227747-V3.adx are advanced files with Data Tracing for TunerPro V5 RT. For Manual and 700R4 trans.

Six_Shooter

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I just looked at the site and TTS Datamaster doesn't seem to cover the '7747 equipped trucks, just the '7060, '7427 style PCMs. Odd, it used to support the '7747 IIRC.

chevyracingrox

Just got done going through checking the drivers and all seems well. Is there a way to check if the pcm signal is getting to the aldl connector? Using my cable on the 10k ohm setting hasn't done anything with the idle.

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serial data line will have 2.5v koeo.

chevyracingrox

weird, I'm getting 5v testing on E and grounded to A. tried grounding to other nearby screws and such and I get the same results.

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sorry, I guess my eyes didn't focus right. Engine running 2.5v koeo 2-5v.

http://www.gearhead-efi.com/Fuel-Inj...0&d=1331599730

RBob

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Re you getting the SES blink at key-on, engine-off. If not the ECM is likely in limp mode and wont xmit any data.

RBob.

chevyracingrox

I'm getting the light on when I turn the key to the "on" position. Kind of hard to see because the SES light and shift lights are very dim.
Still getting 5v with the engine running. This truck uses a 12 pin connector.

RBob

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OK, but does it give a 'blink?' And the SES/CEL should not be dim.

At key-on, engine-off the SES/CEL should turn on briefly, blink off, then turn on solid. Can repeat the test after a minimum of 10 seconds of key-off.

No blink-off, the ECM isn't running from the PROM.

RBob.

chevyracingrox

Ok looks like I have some electrical troubleshooting to do then. I found out the non-functioning cruise control probably wasn't OE. Found a wire that was haphazardly spliced into a grayish brown wire with a red stripe with a trailer wire connector near the pcm. http://www.etrailer.com/Merchant2/gr...64_tab_500.jpg

Interested as I was to find this, I'm still not getting the SES to blink, turn off, then come on and it's still so dim I can barely see it. I'll try posting some electrical diagrams to help check my work along with what I've tested and where.

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The ecm controls the ground for the mil. scotchlok's were designed bye the devil.

chevyracingrox

I believe at one point satan owned this truck then because I traced down a bad brake light issue a few months ago and found one of them to be the culprit.

Tuned Performance

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Did you jumper the a to b on the aldl like rbob suggested ? Im trying to remember but I think the ecm ground is on the thermostat housing.

chevyracingrox

A5 is the terminal for the SES light, A7 is the shift night (not important, but not working), and A10 is the VSS that was spliced.
A5 has no voltage KOEO, but A7 has battery voltage.

I'll put the pcm back in and jumper a and b. IIRC I'm looking for a code 12 right?

chevyracingrox

Jumper the terminals and got a code 12 and code 51. Its getting dark here in illlinois so the SES and shift lights are easier to see, though still not very bright. Maybe the bulbs are just dim from age or something? Also doesn't make sense that the SES light would work at all if I couldn't get B+ from the harness connector for the pcm. Hmm....

Tuned Performance

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bingo 51

chevyracingrox

51 is a code for a malfunctioning prom, if I remember right. Ok, now that the problem is narrowed down what do I need to look at?

ninetyone

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turn key to on position, cel should flash very quickly one time and then go solid if your chip is good

Tuned Performance

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post the letters off the top of the prom, It could be a bad prom or incorrect prom or faulty ecm.

chevyracingrox

it's a 27SF512, I have the solder in adapter from moates.net (G2?) installed with notch toward handle of zif socket

Six_Shooter

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Now we are getting somewhere.

Do you have a non modified ECM you can plug into test?

It's very possible that the EEPROM is not programmed correctly, or the soldered in socket is not making good contact, causing the code 51.

Do you have an EPROM programmer?

Tuned Performance

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guys and there zifs hmmm. Check your offset and .bin something not right there.

Tuned Performance

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ever feel like a dentist chris ? Pulling teeth to get somewhere lol

Six_Shooter

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Quite often I do, which is why I refrain from dealing with the public whenever possible. lol

I will also suggest removing the ZIF socket, and placing the EEPROM directly in the adapter. It's possible that the ZIF socket is causing issues, or it's not plugged in quite right, which is easy to do with the components you have.

Also, telling us the notch is toward the ZIF handle means SQUAT to us, since the ZIF socket can be plugged in either way.

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I think the aries handle is the notch direction just shooting in the dark

Six_Shooter

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Yes, but it could be installed in one of 2 directions, only one of which as the description given to us would cause the EEPROM to be installed correctly.

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got me there than notch facing calpak

chevyracingrox

I don't have another pcm, but I have a Burn 2, I use moates guide on burning chips with offsets for 4k file sizes http://support.moates.net/programmin...using-offsets/

Six_Shooter

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Since you don't have another ECM to try, remove the ZIF socket and install the EEPROM directly into the adapter.

Do you have the original EPROM? If you do, you can install this in the adapter as well, just move it to the "lower" 24 pins, where there are 4 exposed pin holes at the end of the EPROM where the notch is. The notch should be pointing towards the CALPAK. This will help determine if it is a hardware problem or a programming issue.

chevyracingrox

EEPROM and adapter are oriented with the handle and notch facing like the directions
https://static.moates.net/gmecm/g2/g2-g.jpg

Tuned Performance

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what six_shooter is trying to say take the zif out of the equation.

chevyracingrox

Got the old EPROM out and installed it without the zif socket. Still getting a code 51. Shall I break out the solder yet?

Six_Shooter

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Can you post pictures of your ECM, socket, etc?

chevyracingrox

Yep pictures can hopefully clear things up a bit.

Six_Shooter

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From the (slightly blurry) picture it looks right.

I think it's time to grab a DMM and check continuity between the DIP socket pins and daughter board itself.

Did you install the 24 pin DIP socket then plug the G2 into it, or did you solder the G2 directly to the daughter board?

chevyracingrox

The adapter is soldered directly to the daughter board to save space. It's a pretty close fit behind the glove box.

Edit: Seems like I get continuity from the pins to the board.

Tuned Performance

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touch up your solder connection again if this worked before the modification. I wouldn't think the asdx got damaged as well unless you zapped it with esd.

chevyracingrox

hard to say if it ever worked because I've never pulled codes or datalogged this truck. Even the chips I've burned have just been a stock tune until now. Touched up the solder joints and checked my grounds, put the zif socket in and a chip. Still nothing, going to keep looking for stuff to check.

ninetyone

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why don't u just re burn the chip? or even use a new fresh blank one and re burn it.

chevyracingrox

yea this morning I've been experimenting, tried a different bin and a couple other chips. still getting that code 51.

Tuned Performance

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I have a 16146299 $99 That is known working and a direct plug in for the 747 you can have just for the shipping cost if you like.