snflupigus

summerized email to Rbob and Craig... Ostrich not working with EBL but both work apart.

Rbob,

First, thanks for your help.

2nd, Engine etc... Mod List:

LO3 with TPI '416' heads, Comp Cams 1.6 rockers, '87 L98 cam (the weakest one, not my install), Hooker Super Comp headers, 3-in magna flo cat, Borla cat-back, aluminum drive shaft, Edlebrock Performer TBI intake, 68lb/hr injectors, (unkown fuel pressure right now) dual fans w/ manual fan switch, Tru-trac posi with GM 3.42's, 160 degree thermostat.

Test walkthrough...

With the stock bin and stock ecm the car will start and idle like its stock but then it hits a LOT of flat spots through the RPM range.

With the stock ecm and the flash chip with moates adapter, a dyno tuned bin for emissions, stacked to 32k runs fine (some dead spots).
Key on: The ses comes on, blinks after like 3 seconds then stays solid.

With the stock ecm and the ostrich loaded with the same bin (not stacked of course1), it runs the same as with the flash chip above.
Key on: The ses comes on blinks then stays solid.

With the EBLecm and the ostrich loaded with the EBL.bin modified not to have 6 degrees advance.
Key on: No blink. just solid. No starty start.

With the EBLecm and the 32k flash chip stacked with the unmodified ebl.bin, Key on: Blink and run - but a bit rough... drivable but stumbles on tip in and VE learn is -10% all over the place.. Idles ok after a few seconds. Avg mpg 4.3 after 5 minutes around the block

So that confirms that both the EBL and ostrich work (even though I'm an idiot and plugged it in backwards and nearly melted everything... !

BUT, the two just don’t work together. Yet.

I've now confirmed that this car has been WAY rich and the fuel pressure is too high with the 68lb/hr injectors. I need to get a new an adapter so I can hook up this Pressure Gauge and the return line braided stainless I have sitting on my work bench

Craig, I copied you in case you might be able to help in any way. Thanks.

So All I need to do now is get the ostrich running with ebl and I've no doubt I can get this car to finally run right in no time. Thanks guys.

Nic
Aka, snflupigus

snflupigus

update... with the ebl and flash chip, i've pulled almost 30% fuel out in the middle of the ve map! Still havent got the ostrich to communicate with EBL even when i confirm the exact same bin loaded to the flash chip that works is loaded to the ostrich.

snflupigus

still no help? who is using ebl and ostrich? is there a "trick"?

RBob

iTrader: (1)

No tricks required. It does work, there are a bunch of folks using the Ostrich with the EBL. If you are loading a double stacked BIN into the Ostrich, try it with just the single unstacked BIN.

Double check that no pins on the Ostrich PROM connector bent over. Red stripe on cable goes to white dot pin on the EBL socket.

RBob.

Dominic Sorresso

snf,

I only stack the bin when I burn a chip. Don't need to do that when I download to Ostrich running EBL.

snflupigus

dominic... i know. i am not stacking to the ostrich... not sure you could if you wanted to.

Rbob, no pins bend or broken...

I just dont get it, the SAME bin stacked for a 32k chip works but that bin (NOT stacked, again, not sure you could if you wanted to) loaded to the ostrich, and the ostrich verifies it... wont work

are there settings for the ostrich in tunerpro that i might need to modify from default to use with the ebl?

I will play with it this weekend for sure. and try to figure it out. I just didnt think there should be anything to "figure out" with it.

And everybody seems amazed that it isnt "just working" without hassle...

Dominic Sorresso

snf,

When you say that the Ostrich "verifies" it, I am assuming you mean it downloads from TPRT to the Ostrich. If that's the case, then the issue is bettween the Ostrich and the ECM. I may be repeating what you have already described but I am working this out in my own head.
Is there any SYS light flashing when you "key on"? Is the cable from the Ostrich to EBL oriented correctly, i.e. red stripe towards middle of ECM?
Have you set the Ostrich up for 28 pin configuration when plugged into EBL? There's a jumper that needs to be checked on the Ostrich board.

V8Astro Captain

iTrader: (1)

I'm lurking on this thread, but I should add that I've had similar problems with the AutoProm when trying to emulate. Everything uploads fine then it will just cut out like the chip disappeared, then it comes back. It's hell on the engine...

snflupigus

Dom,

It is oriented correctly, there is no ses blink... it does upload from TPRT and verifies within the program.

But i think you just nailed it, I originally was using the ostrich in a stock 8746 and had the jumpers set accordingly. I think I need to open her up and switch them now... I will get on craigs site to find out what config it needs to be in.

Thanks for pointing that out.

snflupigus

So it was the pin setup. Thank you. In hindsight thats 1 more obvious thing that as a complete newb I missed. I'm documenting all my stupid mistakes for others to learn from.

Ostrich is running on EBL just fine now that I dont have it setup for a 24pin TBI ecm but fixed it to the correct 28 pin (as Moates ships them).

Someone who was NOT previously using their Ostrich to try and tune with an 8746 or similar ecm never would have had this problem, and it had been so long since I got the Ostrich that I forgot I had ever changed anything on it.

Thanks again Dom

Dominic Sorresso

BTW, you lurkers out there. Ostrich DOES NOT like the usb cable loosely attached. I have had a number of incidents where the USB was barely inserted in the Ostrich. A good bump will cause things to go haywire. I had to park the car yesterday, shut everything down then re-initialize the bin. I would suggest Craig investigate some kind of retainer to keep the USB cable firmly attached to the Ostrich. I've resorted to rubber bands for now.

bizzybone485

hey guys. Ive been trying to get my 355 tbi up and tuned right and this seems like the place to go for it. I was wondering what the difference was betweeen the ostrich and the EBL Flash? I see that you are running them together? Whats the benefit to that? Would i just be ok with running the EBL Flash? It seems like a nice ecm/tuning package to get started and fine tune everything down the road. Im running a mild cam in a 355 with bolt ons and was wondering what you guys think. Thanks

RBob

iTrader: (1)

Snuf is using the Ostrich with the original EBL Classic system. This unit has a socket for an EPROM (chip burning) or an emulator such as the Ostrich. To use Moates newest Ostrich (Ostrich 2) will also require the socket booster he offers.

The EBL Flash is different from the Classic in that there is no socket. And, there is no need to burn chips or use an emulator. There is a flash chip on-board that is updated/programmed via the What's Up Display. This is done through the same cable (included) that data logging takes place with. It takes less then 2 seconds to program the entire calibration.

The EBL Flash is not an emulator. If the engine is left running during flashing it will go into limp mode. Then back to running off the calibration once flashing has completed.

RBob.

Tbi-MAX

hey man, when i said EBL, i mean EBL flash... i dont know if you got my FSC pm. but EBL flash is what you want, since you dont have the 60e tranny.

snflupigus

correct, i have the classic with i think one version back of the ostrich. I did LOVE it. With the ostrich i could toy with idle fuel and timing in real time and give the engine what it wants to idles super smoothly. It was modifying the temp adjustments related to fuel that are tough to get my head around. I could get it to idle perfectly at temp but on start up it would be a tiny bit rough. So i got it closer while not to full op temp using the ostrich, and then just turned on Wideband Idle... then i turned on wideband cruise, then I updated my EBL code from RBob to the most recent version and turned on wideband decel enlean. AMAZING! - decel was giving me a pulsation a bit, with wideband decel enlean its like driving a stock car for driveabilty! You would not notice its modified until you hit the gas

so for me, since i have everything running smoothly, i would probably only buy the flash version now to clean up my passenger floor area

flash is obviously an update, trust me, you can live without ostrich - as long as you have a wideband, the ve learn in whatsup and other functionality of EBL get you running smoothly SO FAST that you wont need to be tuning in real time. I did everything the old way back when we were burning chips and putting in zifs because we were swapping chips so often you were bound to break some pins off LOL... EBL is such a gift. And the newest version of WhatsUP is SO F'n fun to watch that you have to remember that your driving so you dont die. hehe.

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU RBOB!

Dominic Sorresso

I keep BEGGING RBOB to make one for the LT-5.

DM91RS

U *****.......lol

DM

snflupigus

haha.... a long time ago I posted this.... I just wanted to say thanks to Rbob and Craig for making these two great products.