Attack on my credibility, My side of the story
06-30-2014, 10:16 AM
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Attack on my credibility, My side of the story
I've just returned from a camping trip and wanted to address a problem I've had with a recent transaction here on TGO. Knowing that I had a camping trip planned I placed a few parts up for sale in hopes of raising a little $$ for our camping weekend. This includes some wheels, some tires as well as a set complete set of IROC Lenses (lenses & fillers). They were listed here & on Craigslist so that locals could inspect and pick up these parts IN PERSON or they could be shipped.
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/exte...ml#post5783431
http://providence.craigslist.org/pts/4511024241.html
Dale Mullins (Dalemllns) asked about the lights & we agreed to a lower price & to added packing so they got delivered safe. All my communications with Dale were made ASAP & I've always (as always) done exactly what I said I would do-exactly how I said I would do it. After he got my lenses Dale demanded a full refund due to a "problem" with 1 lens. As a result of Dales inability to be honest in his quoting me and his timing of events I have decided to no longer make private contact with him & all further contact will be thru a 3rd party or in a public forum. Below you will find a listing of all contact from initial request for a reduced price, till today.
** Please note the time of delivery & the time his PayPal dispute was filed compared to his PM indicating a problem. The very same minute they were delivered to his address the dispute was filed. How can you even open the box to find a problem, then log into file a claim in under 1 minute ?? Then to have the stones to claim he contacted me first and got no response ?? WTF dude ?!
A couple hours later,
** At this time I knew something is screwy because my Debit card was rejected for "lack of funds" when I tried to buy Gas. I logged into TGO and got Dales PM and instantly responded to it, I had not yet logged into Paypal.
** This was my last direct contact with Dale. I logged into PayPal and found this,.. Please take note of his quoting my add compared to the add description.
** Dale send me pics of cracked drivers lens
** The first time I read this EMail was less than 1 minute ago
To Be VERY CLEAR, the FIRST thing he did was filed a dispute with Paypal and demanded a full refund because of a problem with 1 tail light that he paid $28.30 for. AS SOON AS I read his message stating he had a problem (less than 3 hours after they were delivered) I responded to him directly. Now; He wants me to send him ANOTHER compete set of tail lights in very good condition for $0 - to "make it right" ?
The parts I sell are parts from cars I parted several years ago. When someone buys something from me they get EXACTLY what is pictured and described, regardless if it's a set of GTA wheels, a complete set of interior panels or a couple of plasic screws. I have other tail lenses for sale here & the defects are completely described and pictured, as any and all defects ALWAYS are.
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/exte...-trans-am.html
Everything I've ever said was true, everything I ever said I did or would do was done as I said it would be. I do not lie, I do not exaggerate, and I do not wish to trade my high quality parts for peoples worn parts. Since Dale has 2 cars that use these same tail lights & REQUIRED a full set, why is the only acceptable resolution that I send him a full refund for ALL the parts when he's got a problem with just 1 piece. Could it be that he's already compared all the tail light on his cars and wishes to send me back all the "worst" parts while keeping the best (& now demanding ANOTHER FULL SET of lenses ?)
I am not OK with sending a full refund and it's quite clear that sending Dale another drivers side lens is not going to satisfy him. (first he demanded a full refund + and now he wants another complete set of lenses ?!) I'd rather the truth be known to all & would rather fight for the global reputation that I've earned over the last 20 years rather than buying it by paying people to blatantly screw me over.
After reading who did what, when they did it, and how accurately they portray the other partys comments and actions. Feel free to decide for yourself who you is trustworthy and who is trying to screw someone over.
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/exte...ml#post5783431
http://providence.craigslist.org/pts/4511024241.html
Dale Mullins (Dalemllns) asked about the lights & we agreed to a lower price & to added packing so they got delivered safe. All my communications with Dale were made ASAP & I've always (as always) done exactly what I said I would do-exactly how I said I would do it. After he got my lenses Dale demanded a full refund due to a "problem" with 1 lens. As a result of Dales inability to be honest in his quoting me and his timing of events I have decided to no longer make private contact with him & all further contact will be thru a 3rd party or in a public forum. Below you will find a listing of all contact from initial request for a reduced price, till today.
Originally Posted by Dalemllns;5777966 06-25-2014, 08:47 PM
Would you do 100.00 shipped? And I would want you to pack them perfect. I sent a set to hawks third gen for restoration and they were damaged during shipment. Thats the only reason I'm needing yours. Please feel free to call me 'x' my zip is 35016
Originally Posted by Dalemllns 06-14-2014, 01:50 AM
Do you still have them? Would you do 100 shipped? 35016 zip
Originally Posted by John in RI 06-14-2014, 11:49 AM
Hi Dale, I'm willing to accept as long as you understand that the tail light "Fillers" will not be included in the package.( the black panels on each side of the licence plate)
Originally Posted by Dalemllns 06-14-2014, 11:54 AM
I need the fillers also. I seen you wanted 100 complete or 75 minus them so thats why I asked if you would do 100 shipped complete. What can you do for them complete shipped to 35016.
Thanks, Dale
Thanks, Dale
Originally Posted by John in RI 06-14-2014, 11:55 AM
Hi Dale, Yes, I still have that set of IROC grid lenses. I checked into shipping and it's about $26. I'm willing to accept $100 Shipped as long as you understand that the tail light "Fillers" will not be included in the package. (the black panels on each side of the licence plate)
I understand your concern over shipping them. I have received taillights broken thru the mail myself and know that proper packaging is important. Even when 'well' packed there's still a potential for damage due to the pointed ends of the tail lights. I'm always as carefull as possible when shipping and will pack them as best I can.
This is a nice set of Tail lights for $75,.. If your still interested, just write back and I'll reply with the remaining details.
I understand your concern over shipping them. I have received taillights broken thru the mail myself and know that proper packaging is important. Even when 'well' packed there's still a potential for damage due to the pointed ends of the tail lights. I'm always as carefull as possible when shipping and will pack them as best I can.
This is a nice set of Tail lights for $75,.. If your still interested, just write back and I'll reply with the remaining details.
Originally Posted by John in RI 06-14-2014, 12:01 PM
Sorry that message wasn't complete ! Split the difference with me and we've got a deal...... $113 complete / delivered. ( I will also not be asking for the additional 4% for accepting an electronic transaction - saves another $4. )
Originally Posted by Dalemllns 06-14-2014, 12:01 PM
Sounds good. I just need your paypal.
Originally Posted by John in RI 06-14-2014, 12:08 PM
Hi Dale, My PayPal = X If the payment reaches my account over the weekend, I can have the tail lights placed into the mail on Monday morning.
P.S. Thanx for the prompt response !
P.S. Thanx for the prompt response !
Originally Posted by John in RI 06-14-2014, 12:20 PM
Dale, Did you obtain your LT1 backing plates yet ?? If not -I've got a good set from a 95 Z28. $45 for the plates/hardware + $13 shipping. (will not ship with tail lights to avoid possible damage to lights.)
Originally Posted by PAYPAL Saturday, June 14, 2014 12:37 PM
Hello John Agli,
You have just been sent a payment by eCheck. You will receive the money in about 3-5 business days (estimated: 6/18/2014-6/20/2014). We recommend that you wait until the money arrives before shipping items. We'll email you when this eCheck payment has been deposited into your account.
You have just been sent a payment by eCheck. You will receive the money in about 3-5 business days (estimated: 6/18/2014-6/20/2014). We recommend that you wait until the money arrives before shipping items. We'll email you when this eCheck payment has been deposited into your account.
Originally Posted by Dalemllns 06-14-2014, 12:38 PM
You have money for taillights. I bought a complete LT1 rear end for my LS swap. Thanks for the tails. Let me know when they go out. Dale
Originally Posted by John in RI 06-14-2014, 12:44 PM
Hi Dale, I swapped a 4th gen rear into my 84 too,...... I Love it ! ( figured the backing plates were worth mentioning . ) Thanx again for the prompt reply. I WILL send an update as soon as I have more to report.
Originally Posted by John in RI 06-14-2014, 12:48 PM
Hi Again, Just a quick note,.... I looked at PayPal and the payment you sent is not going to clear Paypal until the 18th because it was an "E-Check".
Originally Posted by Dalemllns 06-14-2014, 12:52 PM
I did it from my phone and didn't know it did that. Sorry. Its fine if you need to wait I understand. Just let me know when they go out. Thanks. Dale
Originally Posted by Dalemllns 06-14-2014, 01:06 PM
As long as they are mine I'm ok waiting. Thanks again.
Originally Posted by Dalemllns 06-18-2014, 11:37 AM
Check cleared bank today. Will you be shipping these out tommorow? Let me know. You can call me at 'X' it will be faster. Thanks Dale.
Originally Posted by John in RI 06-18-2014, 11:48 AM
Hi Dale, I didn't see an update this morning and checked again once I just read your message. The trx still shows as "pending" in my account and the funds have not been included in my balance yet.
Originally Posted by Dalemllns 06-18-2014, 11:52 AM
Ok. It shows cleared through my bank so I thought it had for you too. Just let me know. Thanks.
Originally Posted by John in RI 06-18-2014, 11:55 AM
Hi Dale, I will; And thanx for staying 'on-top-of-it' !
Originally Posted by PAYPAL Wednesday, June 18, 2014 3:46 PM
Re: Notification of a Cleared eCheck Payment
Originally Posted by John in RI 06-18-2014, 11:07 PM
Hi Dale, Just a quick message to tell you that your package reached the post office before the 5pm truck pick-up this evening. It's on it's way to you now !!
Originally Posted by USPS June 23, 2014, 11:26 AM
Tracking Number: 9114901159818638733500 Delivered, ARAB, AL 35016
Originally Posted by PAYPAL Monday, 6/23/2014 11:26 PDT
Buyer: Dispute filed
A couple hours later,
Originally Posted by Dalemllns 06-23-2014, 01:58 PM
I received the taillights today however this is not gonna work. The driver side lens is cracked. I had busted lights already. 115.00 for more busted lights will not work for me. Send me your email address and I will forward pics.
Originally Posted by John in RI 06-23-2014, 03:24 PM
Hi Dave,
I am very sorry that the light was cracked. I'm sure you can tell by the way they were wrapped in plastic, double boxed & padded with styro that I could not have packed them any better. As you already know,.... My E-mail is JohninRI@***.net Filing as PayPal dispute has really screwed me,... sure wish that you would have simply contacted me first. Now my account is frozen and it's my only source of income. E-mail is JohninRI@***.net Please be sure to include pictures of the box and all packaging.
I am very sorry that the light was cracked. I'm sure you can tell by the way they were wrapped in plastic, double boxed & padded with styro that I could not have packed them any better. As you already know,.... My E-mail is JohninRI@***.net Filing as PayPal dispute has really screwed me,... sure wish that you would have simply contacted me first. Now my account is frozen and it's my only source of income. E-mail is JohninRI@***.net Please be sure to include pictures of the box and all packaging.
Originally Posted by PAYPAL Monday, 6/23/2014 11:26 PDT
Buyer: Item described as mint, "no holes no cracks perfect" Arrived broken. Was not broken in shipping was broken before packaged. I already had broken taillights these are just as worthless for my restoration. I want a refund plus cost to ship back to seller. Refund of 130.00 will ship item back. These are not as advertised. I can buy these at salvage yards all day long for 50.00 a pair in this condition. Only reason I agreed to pay so much more was these were described as perfect and they are not. Driver side is cracked in brake lens.
Originally Posted by Dalemllns Monday, June 23, 2014 3:34 PM
Forgive me on the dispute but this crack clearly wasn't done in shipping. Looks like a rock or gravel has hit it. They are worthless to me. They dont look like the ones you had pictured.
Originally Posted by PAYPAL 6/25/2014 04:56 PDT
Seller: The tail lights I shipped are/were EXACTLY as described. "Complete & in good used condition; no cracks, no holes, all studs intact" (I have NEVER - and will NEVER - call used parts "MINT"). The taillights I sent to Dale are the taillights that were pictured and their condition was EXACTLY as advertised. Buyer trying to claim his original (broken) parts are the parts I shipped him. Here is the original add: https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/exte...ights.htmlThis is the picture Dale sent me of his cracked lens - Claiming that It was the lens that I shipped him "already broken".http://www.berlinetta.info/temp/MullinsTail1.jpgIt's quite obvious that there was a past attempt to repair & restore the lens he pictured. (crack is not a clean crack thru the Black grid- it has been smoothed out and the lens shows a bad ( bubbling ) re-paint. This is NOT the lens I sold to him, this is NOT the lens I shipped him. Here is the Insurance tag showing shipping costs: http://www.berlinetta.info/temp/Slip.jpgThere are 4 parts to a complete set of lenses, 2 Lenses and 2 filler panels. Shipping $23.50 2 Fillers = $25 2 Lenses - $56.60 He paid $28.30 for each lens. He also claims 1 lens was shipped already cracked. However he is demanding that I issue a FULL refund PLUS extra $$ so he can ship his broken parts to me.I've been a member in good standing @ the website this transaction originated from for over a decade without a single incident. It is ludicrous to believe that I would jeopardize a stellar reputation over a $28 taillight. For reference, here is my feedback from other buyers there over the years. https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/itrader.php?u=884: The lens he claims was shipped to him 'already broken' is his old lens. I will not be issuing Dale a full refund, He received the tail lights that he paid for.John in RI
Originally Posted by Dalemllns Tuesday, June 24, 2014 3:00 PM
If you will issue me a refund it will clear it up and I will send them back. I am not keeping these they are no good to me John.
Originally Posted by Dalemllns Wednesday, June 25, 2014 8:14 PM
John,
I read your comments. These are the lenses you shipped me. I opened them, seen the crack and immediately messaged you. To which no reply. I made dispute claim and you returned with "thats my only source of income" what's ludicrous is you sending me taillights that had a chip and crack and you knew it. If you have such a stellar reputation then you would have gladly issued me the refund and accepted return and then relisted them. However I feel you knew you were doing wrong. And your crazy saying thats a 28.00 lens. You can't even get a lens and when they were available they were 300 each side lens only no housing.
Im a disabled Iraq vet just trying to finish my car. Your lack of respect shows me what America really has become. Should I lose this battle and get stuck with your broken lights thats fine, things happen. I expressed in our pm's how important it was these are perfect. I have screen shot every one. Im not trying to screw anyone. Im the one getting screwed. This makes the second set of lights for this damn car that I have paid for and they were broken. Wanna make it right? Send me a good undamaged set or issue the refund and I will send them back.
I swear on my children's life these are your damn lights. They came I opened I seen broke I pm you you no answer and I made dispute. I didn't even click make a claim because I was giving you time to make it right.
Now I will see this through. These are worthless.
Thanks, Dale Mullens
I read your comments. These are the lenses you shipped me. I opened them, seen the crack and immediately messaged you. To which no reply. I made dispute claim and you returned with "thats my only source of income" what's ludicrous is you sending me taillights that had a chip and crack and you knew it. If you have such a stellar reputation then you would have gladly issued me the refund and accepted return and then relisted them. However I feel you knew you were doing wrong. And your crazy saying thats a 28.00 lens. You can't even get a lens and when they were available they were 300 each side lens only no housing.
Im a disabled Iraq vet just trying to finish my car. Your lack of respect shows me what America really has become. Should I lose this battle and get stuck with your broken lights thats fine, things happen. I expressed in our pm's how important it was these are perfect. I have screen shot every one. Im not trying to screw anyone. Im the one getting screwed. This makes the second set of lights for this damn car that I have paid for and they were broken. Wanna make it right? Send me a good undamaged set or issue the refund and I will send them back.
I swear on my children's life these are your damn lights. They came I opened I seen broke I pm you you no answer and I made dispute. I didn't even click make a claim because I was giving you time to make it right.
Now I will see this through. These are worthless.
Thanks, Dale Mullens
The parts I sell are parts from cars I parted several years ago. When someone buys something from me they get EXACTLY what is pictured and described, regardless if it's a set of GTA wheels, a complete set of interior panels or a couple of plasic screws. I have other tail lenses for sale here & the defects are completely described and pictured, as any and all defects ALWAYS are.
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/exte...-trans-am.html
Everything I've ever said was true, everything I ever said I did or would do was done as I said it would be. I do not lie, I do not exaggerate, and I do not wish to trade my high quality parts for peoples worn parts. Since Dale has 2 cars that use these same tail lights & REQUIRED a full set, why is the only acceptable resolution that I send him a full refund for ALL the parts when he's got a problem with just 1 piece. Could it be that he's already compared all the tail light on his cars and wishes to send me back all the "worst" parts while keeping the best (& now demanding ANOTHER FULL SET of lenses ?)
I am not OK with sending a full refund and it's quite clear that sending Dale another drivers side lens is not going to satisfy him. (first he demanded a full refund + and now he wants another complete set of lenses ?!) I'd rather the truth be known to all & would rather fight for the global reputation that I've earned over the last 20 years rather than buying it by paying people to blatantly screw me over.
After reading who did what, when they did it, and how accurately they portray the other partys comments and actions. Feel free to decide for yourself who you is trustworthy and who is trying to screw someone over.
06-30-2014, 06:20 PM
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Re: Attack on my credibility, My side of the story
John,
I had to finagle with your links to get the pics up, I'm taking the liberty in posting the pics for all to see. My buddy Ray Charles can see what Dale is trying to pull, I hope Paypal sees it too......
4d240b77-68de-4ac4-9819-d32ed873c92a_zpsbaf2b09b.jpg
DaleTailLight_zps13a6e59d.jpg
Good Luck !
I had to finagle with your links to get the pics up, I'm taking the liberty in posting the pics for all to see. My buddy Ray Charles can see what Dale is trying to pull, I hope Paypal sees it too......
4d240b77-68de-4ac4-9819-d32ed873c92a_zpsbaf2b09b.jpg
DaleTailLight_zps13a6e59d.jpg
Good Luck !
06-30-2014, 07:31 PM
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07-02-2014, 10:40 PM
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Re: Attack on my credibility, My side of the story
There is no way that the lights in your add, and the light in the pic he sent back to you, are the same ones.I've had to deal with sellers likehim before and it is a real pain in the butt. hopefully Pay pal side with you on this one.
07-02-2014, 10:56 PM
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Re: Attack on my credibility, My side of the story
one time I had a problem on here, I emailed the persons local police to verfyi their address, they do this by knocking on the door.
people like that don't like police knocking and asking questions, my problem quickly got resolved. [They could also already have had similar complaints on file.]
people like that don't like police knocking and asking questions, my problem quickly got resolved. [They could also already have had similar complaints on file.]
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07-04-2014, 10:48 AM
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Re: Attack on my credibility, My side of the story
When the pics in my add were taken the tail lights had been heavily coated with Armor all before being placed into storage,.... I just looked at the daet stap and it's 01/11. They were pulled off the shelf ( some years later ) and packed for shipping so it's unlikely that they would look exactly the same anyway. There is NO DOUBT - HE GOT THOSE EXACT LENSES.
My only 'beef' with that lens is that it looks like a repair has been attempted. That lens is really not what 'did it' for me. When I wrote back to Dale after FIRST learning there was a problem - he had another tail light coming, I just wanted to see it cause' I packed them REALLY well and was pretty bum'd that there was a problem. What did it for me was the PayPal claim. (Timing and substance) Simply agreeing to the full refund would be (IMO) acceptance of his claims.
PayPal decided to issue the full refund BEFORE I wrote to this feedback forum. I'm expecting the return box to arrive soon. It's the first time anyone has ever filed a dispute against me,... but I knew what to expect from Paypal after reading of other peoples experiences.
I can work with anyone,....... but I will not work with anyone when I believe that I'm being taken advantage of. Several people have made returned their busted ( Berlinetta ) parts to me privately in years past and it's almost an unaviodable risk. I made the STUPID mistake of not following my own advise - I didn't MARK the parts for ID purposes. ( haven't in a while; That will change ! )
The timing of his actions, the absolute lies regarding the way this was handled (on both sides), the demand that all parts get returned, the problem drivers lens, and the request for another full set of tail lights all add up to one big screw over - IMO.
My only 'beef' with that lens is that it looks like a repair has been attempted. That lens is really not what 'did it' for me. When I wrote back to Dale after FIRST learning there was a problem - he had another tail light coming, I just wanted to see it cause' I packed them REALLY well and was pretty bum'd that there was a problem. What did it for me was the PayPal claim. (Timing and substance) Simply agreeing to the full refund would be (IMO) acceptance of his claims.
PayPal decided to issue the full refund BEFORE I wrote to this feedback forum. I'm expecting the return box to arrive soon. It's the first time anyone has ever filed a dispute against me,... but I knew what to expect from Paypal after reading of other peoples experiences.
----- Original Message -----
From: <service@paypal.com>
To: <JohninRI@
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 4:41 AM
Subject: Status Update - Case #PP
> Hello John Agli,
>
> As you know, we've been investigating a recent transaction involving items
> that were damaged or significantly not as described.
> -----------------------------------
> Transaction Details
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> Buyer's name: Freedom
> Buyer's email: dalemllns@
> Transaction ID: 94
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> Transaction date: Jun 14, 2014
> Transaction amount: $115.00 USD
> Your transaction ID: 4D
> Case number: PP-
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> Refund amount: $115.00 USD
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> We've determined that the buyer should receive a $115.00 USD refund if they
> ship the merchandise back to you. The merchandise will be in the same
> condition as when the buyer received it and the buyer is responsible for
> all shipping and handling costs.
> -----------------------------------
> Items
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> Item Off Ebay: Transaction
> The items will be shipped to this address:
> 1034 Victory Highway
> Greene, RI 02827
> United States
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> You should receive the item(s) within the next 10-14 days.
> Once we have confirmed that the buyer returned the items, we'll process a
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From: <service@paypal.com>
To: <JohninRI@
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 4:41 AM
Subject: Status Update - Case #PP
> Hello John Agli,
>
> As you know, we've been investigating a recent transaction involving items
> that were damaged or significantly not as described.
> -----------------------------------
> Transaction Details
> -----------------------------------
> Buyer's name: Freedom
> Buyer's email: dalemllns@
> Transaction ID: 94
>
> Transaction date: Jun 14, 2014
> Transaction amount: $115.00 USD
> Your transaction ID: 4D
> Case number: PP-
>
> Refund amount: $115.00 USD
>
> We've determined that the buyer should receive a $115.00 USD refund if they
> ship the merchandise back to you. The merchandise will be in the same
> condition as when the buyer received it and the buyer is responsible for
> all shipping and handling costs.
> -----------------------------------
> Items
> -----------------------------------
> Item Off Ebay: Transaction
> The items will be shipped to this address:
> 1034 Victory Highway
> Greene, RI 02827
> United States
> -----------------------------------
> What To Do Next
> -----------------------------------
> You should receive the item(s) within the next 10-14 days.
> Once we have confirmed that the buyer returned the items, we'll process a
> refund using funds from your account.
>
> Thank you.
> Ramin
> PayPal
>
> Please do not reply to this email.
I can work with anyone,....... but I will not work with anyone when I believe that I'm being taken advantage of. Several people have made returned their busted ( Berlinetta ) parts to me privately in years past and it's almost an unaviodable risk. I made the STUPID mistake of not following my own advise - I didn't MARK the parts for ID purposes. ( haven't in a while; That will change ! )
The timing of his actions, the absolute lies regarding the way this was handled (on both sides), the demand that all parts get returned, the problem drivers lens, and the request for another full set of tail lights all add up to one big screw over - IMO.
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Re: Attack on my credibility, My side of the story
ALWAYS take pictures of your parts with some kind of hidden ID on them.
This exact thing happened to a friend of mine. Shipped a perfect tail light lens (70 torino, they are as wide as the car) The guy filed a complaint, got his cash, a good lens and shipped back his cracked part.
This exact thing happened to a friend of mine. Shipped a perfect tail light lens (70 torino, they are as wide as the car) The guy filed a complaint, got his cash, a good lens and shipped back his cracked part.
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Re: Attack on my credibility, My side of the story
Fight it with PayPal. I had a guy buy a mint set of seats from me. Got them all, and left me positive feedback. Then 29 days later, he opens a claim- not as described. I contact him, ask what's up, he says I got paid twice. I didn't. I told him to take it up with his card company, and he refused. First claim opened on me like that with 13 years of dealings with PayPal.
Needless to say, I spent countless hours and $400 of my money tied up for 3 months.
Call PayPal, and explain everything.......
Good luck!
Needless to say, I spent countless hours and $400 of my money tied up for 3 months.
Call PayPal, and explain everything.......
Good luck!
07-07-2014, 08:38 PM
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Re: Attack on my credibility, My side of the story
ALWAYS take pictures of your parts with some kind of hidden ID on them.
This exact thing happened to a friend of mine. Shipped a perfect tail light lens (70 torino, they are as wide as the car) The guy filed a complaint, got his cash, a good lens and shipped back his cracked part.
This exact thing happened to a friend of mine. Shipped a perfect tail light lens (70 torino, they are as wide as the car) The guy filed a complaint, got his cash, a good lens and shipped back his cracked part.
Sorry to hear this. Too bad scammers ruin it for all the good sellers and buyers.
07-07-2014, 08:39 PM
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Re: Attack on my credibility, My side of the story
Just in case anyone was 'on the fence' with regard to this deal,....
Today Frank ( Dale ) Mullins has confirmed that he is - in fact - a scumbag.
Heed this warning or be prepared to accept the consiquenses.....
Today Frank ( Dale ) Mullins has confirmed that he is - in fact - a scumbag.
Heed this warning or be prepared to accept the consiquenses.....
07-07-2014, 08:56 PM
#16
Re: Attack on my credibility, My side of the story
Wow, I'm new to the online buying/selling scene, that sucks and is scary! Looks like he shot it up with a 22 or pellet gun. What a dick. So are you still fighting this with Paypal or are they done screwing you too?
07-07-2014, 09:16 PM
#17
Re: Attack on my credibility, My side of the story
Frank had sent me 3 pics showing the cracked drivers lens he had. I feel it's important to show this one as it shows more of that lens than just the crack he was claiming. (His left thumb is intact...... )
One more pic I took today; shows the crack he claimed I sent him on purpose, as well as the additional damage inflicted..... to the same lens. ( My left thumb, cut short by table saw. )
I just got off the phone with Paypal and was allowed to upload the pictures I took today after signing for his package. I was told that they will "investigate" and get back to me.
One more pic I took today; shows the crack he claimed I sent him on purpose, as well as the additional damage inflicted..... to the same lens. ( My left thumb, cut short by table saw. )
I just got off the phone with Paypal and was allowed to upload the pictures I took today after signing for his package. I was told that they will "investigate" and get back to me.
07-07-2014, 09:34 PM
#19
Re: Attack on my credibility, My side of the story
What I see here is a mad seller who sold me a junk light and paypal agreed in my favor. Why the hell would I shoot lights?
From the get go you have been the one dishonest. I don't have any tail lights. That why I bought yours. I will for the love of all thats good get a decent pair thats not busted.
Your so perfect and all and claim this great reputation yet you ignored my pm's and emails until I made a claim to paypal.
Then you said I quote "thanks they locked my account thats my only source of income."
Dude you need medication. You are not gonna get away with this.....
From the get go you have been the one dishonest. I don't have any tail lights. That why I bought yours. I will for the love of all thats good get a decent pair thats not busted.
Your so perfect and all and claim this great reputation yet you ignored my pm's and emails until I made a claim to paypal.
Then you said I quote "thanks they locked my account thats my only source of income."
Dude you need medication. You are not gonna get away with this.....
07-07-2014, 09:44 PM
#20
Re: Attack on my credibility, My side of the story
And I will also add that I recieved the package opened it seen the crack and immediately contacted you. I am a good seller and buyer. Check my same user name dalemllns over at www.s197forum.com. Countless transactions never one issue. Just cause I have been lurking here while building my 87 doesn't make me a noob to e commerce.
As to my integrity I'm as honest as they come. That is your tail lights. They are now and have always been. They are worth 50 bucks in a junk yard in that condition.
So you think throwing a hissie fit busting them up and making this thread as to demean my character will work you have another thought coming.
I swear this has been the worst transaction I have ever had. Can't win them all. Had to happen at some point. I had you sign for this very reason. I figured you for the bravo foxtrot you are.....
As to my integrity I'm as honest as they come. That is your tail lights. They are now and have always been. They are worth 50 bucks in a junk yard in that condition.
So you think throwing a hissie fit busting them up and making this thread as to demean my character will work you have another thought coming.
I swear this has been the worst transaction I have ever had. Can't win them all. Had to happen at some point. I had you sign for this very reason. I figured you for the bravo foxtrot you are.....
07-07-2014, 09:46 PM
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Re: Attack on my credibility, My side of the story
Looks like dude shot them with a bb gun before sending them back!
07-07-2014, 09:51 PM
#22
Re: Attack on my credibility, My side of the story
About what I expected from you Frank,
Guess that you failed to notice; There's a reason that I included the time stamp from all our correspondence,..... You've already been proven to be a COMPLETE liar and havn't provided ONE SINGLE bit of evidence to back up ANY of your claims.
Yet another LIE. FYI: PayPal is still reviewing this claim.
Guess that you failed to notice; There's a reason that I included the time stamp from all our correspondence,..... You've already been proven to be a COMPLETE liar and havn't provided ONE SINGLE bit of evidence to back up ANY of your claims.
paypal agreed in my favor.
Yet another LIE. FYI: PayPal is still reviewing this claim.
07-07-2014, 10:01 PM
#23
Re: Attack on my credibility, My side of the story
After reading through your post up top I want to clear something else up.
Since when is a standard post no tracking shipment through UPS accurate. The mail lady brought these. I highly doubt with all the stamps you put on it that your time frame is correct as to when I recieved them and made the claim.
Quite simple it was like this.
I recieved them. I opened them up. Wal-Mart bags with hair was in there. Seen lights and seen crack. I was disgusted. Really???? I said. I messaged you. You didnt respond for an hour. Before you were quite quick. I called PayPal. They recommended I make dispute. Said the longer I wait the less chance I have. They said a dispute should solve and wait 3 days to make a "claim" . Thats what I did. You escalated it to a claim. The whole time those (which were the only ones I had because I sent mine to EASLEY SC) set on my bench. Then paypal said they would refund my money. Said ship them back. So I shipped them back. In the same box.
So now youre accusing me of further damage.
And you call me the scum bag....
thanks.
Lesson learned.
To all who have judged me from this one sided story thanks.
Pretty much this guy sent a broken set of lights to me. Claims I'm trying to pass mine off for his. I dont have any. The first post I sent him said I shipped some that got busted in the mail. They are still there. So I bought these....junk....busted...ones from john the camper.
Im so done with these ****ing lights I'm gonna glue Cadillac ones on and say **** it......
Since when is a standard post no tracking shipment through UPS accurate. The mail lady brought these. I highly doubt with all the stamps you put on it that your time frame is correct as to when I recieved them and made the claim.
Quite simple it was like this.
I recieved them. I opened them up. Wal-Mart bags with hair was in there. Seen lights and seen crack. I was disgusted. Really???? I said. I messaged you. You didnt respond for an hour. Before you were quite quick. I called PayPal. They recommended I make dispute. Said the longer I wait the less chance I have. They said a dispute should solve and wait 3 days to make a "claim" . Thats what I did. You escalated it to a claim. The whole time those (which were the only ones I had because I sent mine to EASLEY SC) set on my bench. Then paypal said they would refund my money. Said ship them back. So I shipped them back. In the same box.
So now youre accusing me of further damage.
And you call me the scum bag....
thanks.
Lesson learned.
To all who have judged me from this one sided story thanks.
Pretty much this guy sent a broken set of lights to me. Claims I'm trying to pass mine off for his. I dont have any. The first post I sent him said I shipped some that got busted in the mail. They are still there. So I bought these....junk....busted...ones from john the camper.
Im so done with these ****ing lights I'm gonna glue Cadillac ones on and say **** it......
07-07-2014, 10:07 PM
#24
Re: Attack on my credibility, My side of the story
See where it says outcome John. Im no liar.
Hello Dale Mullens,
After carefully reviewing your case, we've determined that you'll be
eligible for a refund (including handling and shipping
*once you've returned the merchandise to the seller.
Once you have returned the merchandise, you will be covered under PayPal
Buyer Protection and eligible to receive a full refund.
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Transaction Details
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Seller's Name: John Agli
Seller's Email: JohninRI@***.Net
Seller's Transaction ID: 4D9915099C868830S
Transaction Date: Jun 14, 2014
Transaction Amount: -$115.00 USD
Your Transaction ID: 94E27076ER613471T
Case Number: PP-003-228-730-561
Buyer's Transaction ID: 94E27076ER613471T
-----------------------------------
What To Do Next
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Please ship the items listed as "Granted" below back to the seller. The
items should be in their original condition and you are responsible for
shipping and handling costs.
Off Ebay: Transaction
Outcome: granted
Hello Dale Mullens,
After carefully reviewing your case, we've determined that you'll be
eligible for a refund (including handling and shipping
*once you've returned the merchandise to the seller.
Once you have returned the merchandise, you will be covered under PayPal
Buyer Protection and eligible to receive a full refund.
-----------------------------------
Transaction Details
-----------------------------------
Seller's Name: John Agli
Seller's Email: JohninRI@***.Net
Seller's Transaction ID: 4D9915099C868830S
Transaction Date: Jun 14, 2014
Transaction Amount: -$115.00 USD
Your Transaction ID: 94E27076ER613471T
Case Number: PP-003-228-730-561
Buyer's Transaction ID: 94E27076ER613471T
-----------------------------------
What To Do Next
-----------------------------------
Please ship the items listed as "Granted" below back to the seller. The
items should be in their original condition and you are responsible for
shipping and handling costs.
Off Ebay: Transaction
Outcome: granted
07-07-2014, 10:17 PM
#25
Re: Attack on my credibility, My side of the story
So to sum it up camper john, you tried to screw me. They agreed I am protected and to return them.
So I did. You have them.
What's fishy is how you keep saying they look like someone silicone the lens. Is that how you tried to fix them? You admit to having them armor alled up to look better then advertised. That you say its worth 28.00. I paid 115.00. I guess they dont teach simple math in the snow.
Whatever man. Im done. There's my side. I give zero f*cks at this point.
So I did. You have them.
What's fishy is how you keep saying they look like someone silicone the lens. Is that how you tried to fix them? You admit to having them armor alled up to look better then advertised. That you say its worth 28.00. I paid 115.00. I guess they dont teach simple math in the snow.
Whatever man. Im done. There's my side. I give zero f*cks at this point.
07-07-2014, 10:35 PM
#26
Re: Attack on my credibility, My side of the story
I would edit my last post but dont wanna be a cussed of changing what I say.
When I said another set of tails I said I would return that set for a set like you
Described. Because these were not what I was buying. Now I know you had them doctored up with armor all to make them lool better than they were.
As for how many cars I have or had. That doesn't matter. My 92 had 17k miles on it. Those lenses were perfect. They were like new. No way in hell i would remove them. In fact when I sold the car to Bruce Hawkins and delivered it they stayed in it. I didnt even swap them out for my 87 I'm restoring. Ask him. So if I were the super douche scum bag I would have kept those lights and put mine from the 87 in the 92 and been ok right? No. I sold that car as original and delivered it that way. When I got home I shipped mine from the 87 back to him for restoration. I didnt pack them right I guess and they got busted. So I found you John. I bought yours. What a box of sh*t I opened there...
I am not gonna explain any further. I will be contacting paypal myself tommorow to nip this in the bud and I have screen shot the entire thread and all its nice comments.
When I said another set of tails I said I would return that set for a set like you
Described. Because these were not what I was buying. Now I know you had them doctored up with armor all to make them lool better than they were.
As for how many cars I have or had. That doesn't matter. My 92 had 17k miles on it. Those lenses were perfect. They were like new. No way in hell i would remove them. In fact when I sold the car to Bruce Hawkins and delivered it they stayed in it. I didnt even swap them out for my 87 I'm restoring. Ask him. So if I were the super douche scum bag I would have kept those lights and put mine from the 87 in the 92 and been ok right? No. I sold that car as original and delivered it that way. When I got home I shipped mine from the 87 back to him for restoration. I didnt pack them right I guess and they got busted. So I found you John. I bought yours. What a box of sh*t I opened there...
I am not gonna explain any further. I will be contacting paypal myself tommorow to nip this in the bud and I have screen shot the entire thread and all its nice comments.
07-07-2014, 10:59 PM
#27
Re: Attack on my credibility, My side of the story
After reading some more of others comments saying they can clearly see what I'm pulling and comments about marking them.
I wish you had marked them. Then you would know I didnt pull nothing. As for the picture not matching that you listed and what I returned, thats my point!!!!!!! These lights he (camper john) sent me were not what he had pictured. They had the crack. I didnt want them on a car I have 20 grand in. They were not mint or clean they were crap. Period. So ray Charles wouldn't see anything. Because he didnt send the lights from that original listing. He
Grabbed the first set and shipped them. He clearly admits multiple sets on a shelf. For years. How many years?
Those are the lights you sent me. I returned them. Case closed. Go shoot something else now...
I wish you had marked them. Then you would know I didnt pull nothing. As for the picture not matching that you listed and what I returned, thats my point!!!!!!! These lights he (camper john) sent me were not what he had pictured. They had the crack. I didnt want them on a car I have 20 grand in. They were not mint or clean they were crap. Period. So ray Charles wouldn't see anything. Because he didnt send the lights from that original listing. He
Grabbed the first set and shipped them. He clearly admits multiple sets on a shelf. For years. How many years?
Those are the lights you sent me. I returned them. Case closed. Go shoot something else now...
07-07-2014, 11:20 PM
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Re: Attack on my credibility, My side of the story
So to sum it up camper john, you tried to screw me. They agreed I am protected and to return them.
So I did. You have them.
What's fishy is how you keep saying they look like someone silicone the lens. Is that how you tried to fix them? You admit to having them armor alled up to look better then advertised. That you say its worth 28.00. I paid 115.00. I guess they dont teach simple math in the snow.
So I did. You have them.
What's fishy is how you keep saying they look like someone silicone the lens. Is that how you tried to fix them? You admit to having them armor alled up to look better then advertised. That you say its worth 28.00. I paid 115.00. I guess they dont teach simple math in the snow.
I've seen on the snowmobile site I'm a member of where buyer sends back his old part (clearly disassembled and FUBARED) then claims it's the one he got and gets a refund. It's a common scam. Taking a photo of the item ALONG with the shipping label to help prove item condition helps protect sellers.
07-07-2014, 11:27 PM
#29
Re: Attack on my credibility, My side of the story
I wouldn't say that. PP is Ebay. Ebay always sides with buyers.
I've seen on the snowmobile site I'm a member of where buyer sends back his old part (clearly disassembled and FUBARED) then claims it's the one he got and gets a refund. It's a common scam. Taking a photo of the item ALONG with the shipping label to help prove item condition helps protect sellers.
I've seen on the snowmobile site I'm a member of where buyer sends back his old part (clearly disassembled and FUBARED) then claims it's the one he got and gets a refund. It's a common scam. Taking a photo of the item ALONG with the shipping label to help prove item condition helps protect sellers.
07-08-2014, 02:54 AM
#30
Re: Attack on my credibility, My side of the story
Just one person here making stuff up,....
Package was Tracked and scanned on delivery... time stamp from USPS:
PayPal claim filed the same minute it was delivered:
Message to me from TGO time stamped 1 1/2 hour later: (middle of the day - I was not home - CC declined while running errands - and replied AS SOON AS I got home and read the PM. )
The pics taken today,...... I had not even unwrapped the drivers side lens when I took the pic of the pass side. You can see it's still wrapped in brown paper. The second pic shows what I found when the paper was removed.
The lenses were detailed in 2011 - not to sell - but for storage. Just because they didn't still shine doesn't mean they were not in good condition, they were - in fact - in VERY good condition. Yes, I've got many other sets of lenses; 2 Berlinetta sets, 2 Z28 Sets, 2 Knight Rider sets, 1 82-84 Firebird Sets, 1 GTA set. I can obtain a replacement IROC Drivers side Lens in about 10 minutes. Those pics were used because my Camera was not working right and then died,... the pics I took today were the VERY FIRST pics I've taken with my new camera. Those 2011 pics were used because that was the only pics I had of the EXACT lenses that were advertised (Both here & on Craigslist for locals) and they are the EXACT lenses I shipped. ( I NEVER use pictures of "SIMILAR" parts - I always send pics of the exact parts people will receive. )
The reason a full refund wasn't given immediately is because I KNEW I was going to get,..... exactly what I got. A box of busted parts. Granted; I expected to get a box of parts with defects. I did not expect a box of parts that had a screwdriver punched thru them 7-8 times each. BOTH lenses destroyed, BOTH fillers destroyed.
Some people ----->
Package was Tracked and scanned on delivery... time stamp from USPS:
PayPal claim filed the same minute it was delivered:
Message to me from TGO time stamped 1 1/2 hour later: (middle of the day - I was not home - CC declined while running errands - and replied AS SOON AS I got home and read the PM. )
The pics taken today,...... I had not even unwrapped the drivers side lens when I took the pic of the pass side. You can see it's still wrapped in brown paper. The second pic shows what I found when the paper was removed.
The lenses were detailed in 2011 - not to sell - but for storage. Just because they didn't still shine doesn't mean they were not in good condition, they were - in fact - in VERY good condition. Yes, I've got many other sets of lenses; 2 Berlinetta sets, 2 Z28 Sets, 2 Knight Rider sets, 1 82-84 Firebird Sets, 1 GTA set. I can obtain a replacement IROC Drivers side Lens in about 10 minutes. Those pics were used because my Camera was not working right and then died,... the pics I took today were the VERY FIRST pics I've taken with my new camera. Those 2011 pics were used because that was the only pics I had of the EXACT lenses that were advertised (Both here & on Craigslist for locals) and they are the EXACT lenses I shipped. ( I NEVER use pictures of "SIMILAR" parts - I always send pics of the exact parts people will receive. )
The reason a full refund wasn't given immediately is because I KNEW I was going to get,..... exactly what I got. A box of busted parts. Granted; I expected to get a box of parts with defects. I did not expect a box of parts that had a screwdriver punched thru them 7-8 times each. BOTH lenses destroyed, BOTH fillers destroyed.
Some people ----->
07-08-2014, 03:02 AM
#31
Re: Attack on my credibility, My side of the story
Im done arguing about it.
Those are the lights you sent me.
I don't care anymore.
I opened your hair filled nasty a** package and found cracked lenses(s) that were dingy as f*ck nothing like the picture.
Burn em. Beat yourself in the face with them.
I really dont f*cking care at this point.....
Those are the lights you sent me.
I don't care anymore.
I opened your hair filled nasty a** package and found cracked lenses(s) that were dingy as f*ck nothing like the picture.
Burn em. Beat yourself in the face with them.
I really dont f*cking care at this point.....
07-08-2014, 12:45 PM
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Re: Attack on my credibility, My side of the story
I've had hundreds of online purchases, as both buyer and seller, and have never gone through what you two are going through.
I have only made one dispute and that was at the very end of the 45 day period to make a claim, and I only did that because the items hadn't arrived at that point, I'm in Europe anything lower than priority can take up to 6 weeks. Before I did that I contacted the seller to make them aware of the situation and the reason for filing a dispute. A few days later the items arrived and I ended the dispute.
It is my opinion filing a claim is more of a last resort, and is only really needed in the event both parties are unwilling to work together.
I'm siding with John on this simply because of how fast a dispute was claimed in this transaction, that just sends up a red flag to me...
I have only made one dispute and that was at the very end of the 45 day period to make a claim, and I only did that because the items hadn't arrived at that point, I'm in Europe anything lower than priority can take up to 6 weeks. Before I did that I contacted the seller to make them aware of the situation and the reason for filing a dispute. A few days later the items arrived and I ended the dispute.
It is my opinion filing a claim is more of a last resort, and is only really needed in the event both parties are unwilling to work together.
I'm siding with John on this simply because of how fast a dispute was claimed in this transaction, that just sends up a red flag to me...
07-08-2014, 01:03 PM
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Re: Attack on my credibility, My side of the story
with the lights returned in those condition they more then likley will not refund the buyer and tell him to go after the shipping company instead
07-08-2014, 01:12 PM
#35
Re: Attack on my credibility, My side of the story
Its over. I was just refunded. You can think what you want about how fast or not a dispute was made. Hes eastern time and I'm central. Im an hour behind him. I made it in an hour because they were cracked. Period.
07-08-2014, 01:12 PM
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Re: Attack on my credibility, My side of the story
And by admitting you used a pic from 3 years ago you admit that they were not as advertised.....
These parts were offered to another member recently - pic was taken over a year ago,.... not as described because they sat on a shelf ??
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/engi...unts-pair.html
These wheels were placed in the classifed when I listed the taillights I shipped to you. Pic was taken 01-11,... Not as described because the snow melted ?
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/exterior-parts-sale/703408-91-92-z28-wheels.html
These wheels were added to the classifed when I listed the taillights I shipped to you. Pic was taken 04-12,... Not as described because got dust on them from being stored near a wood pile ?
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/exte...-iroc-z28.html
I bump'd this add the same day,... pic was taken 9-07. Not as described because they aren't freshly rised off ??
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/exte...ss-wheels.html
NONE of these parts ( including the lenses that were shipped to Frank ( Dale ) were ever mounted onto a car after the pics were taken. I degrease, hand clean, sandblast and paint parts primarily for my benefit. I've learned that when restoring a couple ThirdGens a year that it's important to have ready access to high quality parts. When I don't have a need for them - I sell off my parts..... I'm not in the habit of describing the proccess I use to prepare parts for storage till I need them. The pictures say it all. The fact that the lenses that were shipped to Frank sat in a plastic bag on a shelf for a few years does in no way qualifies them as "not as described"
Here is the description ( pics above )
Complete & in good used condition; no cracks, no holes, all studs intact, $100 + shipping.
( if you don't need the black "filler" panels the lenses are $75 + shipping )
( if you don't need the black "filler" panels the lenses are $75 + shipping )
Upselling,... Please; try to find such a high quality set of used taillights for $100 + shipping. IMO that's a dam good price.
The simple fact the the 2 DESTROYED lenses he returned to me are not = in thier cleanliness is a dead giveaway that they are not the lenses that I shipped to him. ( My GUESS is the drivers side came from his 91 and the other is from his 87.... I'm guessing. )
07-08-2014, 01:17 PM
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Re: Attack on my credibility, My side of the story
John my 92 had 17k original miles. It was perfect. I sold it to finish 87. 87 lights are in SC. The only GD lights i had here were those.
Stop lying. End of story.
Stop lying. End of story.
07-08-2014, 06:38 PM
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Re: Attack on my credibility, My side of the story
To me, those are clearly not the same tail lights..
Crazy how the lights got all shot up in the package during shipping..
Crazy how the lights got all shot up in the package during shipping..
07-08-2014, 06:44 PM
#39
Re: Attack on my credibility, My side of the story
They are the same lights. Thing is thats the very reason I am so angry.
The pic he posted and what he sent me do not match.
But what he sent me and what I sent back are the same.
Lock this thread.
The pic he posted and what he sent me do not match.
But what he sent me and what I sent back are the same.
Lock this thread.
07-08-2014, 06:47 PM
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Re: Attack on my credibility, My side of the story
Soooo Y did you shoot up the cracked lights?
07-08-2014, 06:56 PM
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Re: Attack on my credibility, My side of the story
If I would have been anywhere near Rhode Island those lights would have been so far up his *** when he **** the bowl would glow red.
Calling me a liar and a theif is where it got me. I had no reason what so ever to screw him. There were several sets
Not only here but local I could have bought for 50.00.
The only reason I bought his was because the pic and his description that they were so clean.
When they arrived and were dingy, had human hair in the Wal-Mart bag he wrapped them in and I seen the crack I wanted my money back. I told him immediately they would not work. He acted like tough sh*t they are mine so I filed the dispute.
Nothing fishy at all. Except the guy using old pics of waxed up clean lights he then sends dingy cracked ones. No sir. 100 bucks or 10 bucks I'm not one to waste money I work hard for.
Its over. Think whatever you want of me, I did not swap out those lights. Those are exactly what he sent me. Its anyone's guess how those holes got there. Maybe the guy who has such a stellar rep who started this thread preemptively to discredit me.
John the Camper....
Calling me a liar and a theif is where it got me. I had no reason what so ever to screw him. There were several sets
Not only here but local I could have bought for 50.00.
The only reason I bought his was because the pic and his description that they were so clean.
When they arrived and were dingy, had human hair in the Wal-Mart bag he wrapped them in and I seen the crack I wanted my money back. I told him immediately they would not work. He acted like tough sh*t they are mine so I filed the dispute.
Nothing fishy at all. Except the guy using old pics of waxed up clean lights he then sends dingy cracked ones. No sir. 100 bucks or 10 bucks I'm not one to waste money I work hard for.
Its over. Think whatever you want of me, I did not swap out those lights. Those are exactly what he sent me. Its anyone's guess how those holes got there. Maybe the guy who has such a stellar rep who started this thread preemptively to discredit me.
John the Camper....
07-08-2014, 06:59 PM
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Re: Attack on my credibility, My side of the story
These parts were offered to another member recently - pic was taken over a year ago,.... not as described because they sat on a shelf ??
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/engi...unts-pair.html
These wheels were placed in the classifed when I listed the taillights I shipped to you. Pic was taken 01-11,... Not as described because the snow melted ?
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/exterior-parts-sale/703408-91-92-z28-wheels.html
These wheels were added to the classifed when I listed the taillights I shipped to you. Pic was taken 04-12,... Not as described because got dust on them from being stored near a wood pile ?
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/exte...-iroc-z28.html
I bump'd this add the same day,... pic was taken 9-07. Not as described because they aren't freshly rised off ??
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/exte...ss-wheels.html
NONE of these parts ( including the lenses that were shipped to Frank ( Dale ) were ever mounted onto a car after the pics were taken. I degrease, hand clean, sandblast and paint parts primarily for my benefit. I've learned that when restoring a couple ThirdGens a year that it's important to have ready access to high quality parts. When I don't have a need for them - I sell off my parts..... I'm not in the habit of describing the proccess I use to prepare parts for storage till I need them. The pictures say it all. The fact that the lenses that were shipped to Frank sat in a plastic bag on a shelf for a few years does in no way qualifies them as "not as described"
Here is the description ( pics above )
Upselling,... Please; try to find such a high quality set of used taillights for $100 + shipping. IMO that's a dam good price.
The simple fact the the 2 DESTROYED lenses he returned to me are not = in thier cleanliness is a dead giveaway that they are not the lenses that I shipped to him. ( My GUESS is the drivers side came from his 91 and the other is from his 87.... I'm guessing. )
Haven't looked in years, but they used to be.
07-08-2014, 07:11 PM
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Re: Attack on my credibility, My side of the story
If I would have been anywhere near Rhode Island those lights would have been so far up his *** when he **** the bowl would glow red.
Calling me a liar and a theif is where it got me. I had no reason what so ever to screw him. There were several sets
Not only here but local I could have bought for 50.00.
The only reason I bought his was because the pic and his description that they were so clean.
When they arrived and were dingy, had human hair in the Wal-Mart bag he wrapped them in and I seen the crack I wanted my money back. I told him immediately they would not work. He acted like tough sh*t they are mine so I filed the dispute.
Nothing fishy at all. Except the guy using old pics of waxed up clean lights he then sends dingy cracked ones. No sir. 100 bucks or 10 bucks I'm not one to waste money I work hard for.
Its over. Think whatever you want of me, I did not swap out those lights. Those are exactly what he sent me. Its anyone's guess how those holes got there. Maybe the guy who has such a stellar rep who started this thread preemptively to discredit me.
John the Camper....
Calling me a liar and a theif is where it got me. I had no reason what so ever to screw him. There were several sets
Not only here but local I could have bought for 50.00.
The only reason I bought his was because the pic and his description that they were so clean.
When they arrived and were dingy, had human hair in the Wal-Mart bag he wrapped them in and I seen the crack I wanted my money back. I told him immediately they would not work. He acted like tough sh*t they are mine so I filed the dispute.
Nothing fishy at all. Except the guy using old pics of waxed up clean lights he then sends dingy cracked ones. No sir. 100 bucks or 10 bucks I'm not one to waste money I work hard for.
Its over. Think whatever you want of me, I did not swap out those lights. Those are exactly what he sent me. Its anyone's guess how those holes got there. Maybe the guy who has such a stellar rep who started this thread preemptively to discredit me.
John the Camper....
What I find interesting is you pointed out a chip/ctack, that wold be real tough to duplicate in shipping...but, let's just say...he effed ya over (John) and sent you that lens with the chip and crack in it.
With me so far?
Okay, then you sent him a lenses with 3?..I counted ships in it, like BB shots...why ...I must ask, did you not send him THOSE pics?
And before you get your dander all worked up, I'm in Ca., and too old to fight
07-08-2014, 07:35 PM
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Re: Attack on my credibility, My side of the story
I think most lights were dated 85 since they were made, at least that's what my 89 says. They probably made a monster run of the lenses. Then maybe another later.
The last post sums it up as the damage he had posted a pic does not match the destroyed lights. Theres no way the new damage would be donen in shipping. Even if there was this tiny chip for 100 shipped that's still a smokin deal. The pics he had originally posted would not have documented that damage. Scuff and clear them or buy new.
OP seems pretty collected, wish there was more sellers and less buyers like this.
The last post sums it up as the damage he had posted a pic does not match the destroyed lights. Theres no way the new damage would be donen in shipping. Even if there was this tiny chip for 100 shipped that's still a smokin deal. The pics he had originally posted would not have documented that damage. Scuff and clear them or buy new.
OP seems pretty collected, wish there was more sellers and less buyers like this.
07-08-2014, 07:52 PM
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Re: Attack on my credibility, My side of the story
Just one final note that could have eliminated this whole thread, have the buyer (unless the seller is making do okay) insure the shipment for damage.
07-09-2014, 10:03 AM
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Re: Attack on my credibility, My side of the story
Curious if PayPal ever refunded you John, I have been selling on eBay since 2006. I have had 4 disputes opened against me. I only lost one, and it was the one I thought I couldn't lose.. I sold the item as damaged (in the description said not fully working) and showed pictured of the damage; but I accidentally listed it as used instead of for parts/not working. Even thought I had pictures that showed the screen was smashed on this item, the buyer won a full refund.
So, just cause PayPal sided with Dale, doesn't mean jack.,..
So, just cause PayPal sided with Dale, doesn't mean jack.,..
07-09-2014, 11:55 AM
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Re: Attack on my credibility, My side of the story
I been following this for several weeks now; not days, and it really scares the hell out of me to buy/sell/ trade ANYTHING now with everything that happens nowadays. And the shipping companies must have really gone down hill....as in FedEx, USPS, UPS, FedUP, DHL, and the rest of them. I'm surprised they don't offer insurance anymore! (That was sarcasm)
My opinion only.....It's really hard for me to believe that:
1. taillights get shot up in a box during shipping on their way back to the original owner.
2. A man has a reputation of selling goods in "good used shape" sets out to screw someone over "THAT BAD" and still have a conscience.....I don't think so.
3.If I was able to get a BETTER product CHEAPER and CLOSER to home, I think I would of done that instead of RISKING the product getting damaged (as in this case, FRAGILE "TAIL LIGHTS")
4. If I had and issue with an item that I purchased......NEW or USED......when it arrived at my home, I would THINK that I would call the vendor/dealer/seller/trader and discuss OVER THE PHONE what the issue is/was at the time and try to solve it from the get go; not start a dispute with PayPay/ MyPal / HisPal.....whom ever it may be.
And 5.
I just can't seem to figure out why Dalemllns keeps saying over and over that "he's done with this, It's over, I'm over this, I really don't F*cking care at this point, I don't care any more, end of story, and lock this thread.
If you're truly finished with this...move on. You got everything you wanted and money too!
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John, I need some Trans Am Tail lights, my bad ones for your good ones....deal? Let talk!!!!!
My opinion only.....It's really hard for me to believe that:
1. taillights get shot up in a box during shipping on their way back to the original owner.
2. A man has a reputation of selling goods in "good used shape" sets out to screw someone over "THAT BAD" and still have a conscience.....I don't think so.
3.If I was able to get a BETTER product CHEAPER and CLOSER to home, I think I would of done that instead of RISKING the product getting damaged (as in this case, FRAGILE "TAIL LIGHTS")
4. If I had and issue with an item that I purchased......NEW or USED......when it arrived at my home, I would THINK that I would call the vendor/dealer/seller/trader and discuss OVER THE PHONE what the issue is/was at the time and try to solve it from the get go; not start a dispute with PayPay/ MyPal / HisPal.....whom ever it may be.
And 5.
I just can't seem to figure out why Dalemllns keeps saying over and over that "he's done with this, It's over, I'm over this, I really don't F*cking care at this point, I don't care any more, end of story, and lock this thread.
If you're truly finished with this...move on. You got everything you wanted and money too!
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John, I need some Trans Am Tail lights, my bad ones for your good ones....deal? Let talk!!!!!
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07-09-2014, 12:01 PM
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Re: Attack on my credibility, My side of the story
That's fine. I know those were the same lights he sent me. I know that I didnt swap them out for anything. I know he sent different ones than the pic he had listed. And the good lord knows it too. I would put my hand on a bible that I sent him what he sent me.
As for the extra holes... oh well.
Lesson learned. Im not a liar. Im not a thief.
I will stick to purchases with reputable businesses and not personal junkyard flippers anymore.
I have new lights coming. They ended up costing over 300 but oh well. Hopefully they dont arrive all busted up. Or full of holes....
As for the extra holes... oh well.
Lesson learned. Im not a liar. Im not a thief.
I will stick to purchases with reputable businesses and not personal junkyard flippers anymore.
I have new lights coming. They ended up costing over 300 but oh well. Hopefully they dont arrive all busted up. Or full of holes....
07-09-2014, 12:12 PM
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Re: Attack on my credibility, My side of the story
You don't call me a liar. Or a thief. Thats the lights he sent me. That's the lights he got back....
When someone tells you that the item you sent isnt something you wanted and that its damaged, you dont immediately say they swapped em out, start a f*cking thread saying what a thief or scum bag someone is. I couldn't physically see these before I bought them. Therefore i had to buy them unseen. When they got here I immediately told him I was sending them back. Then this sh*t comes up.
This all could have been avoided if he would have been a good seller and said no problem ship em back. But he had to go off and call me a theif and a liar...
Its anyone's guess how those holes got there.
Yall decide.
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When someone tells you that the item you sent isnt something you wanted and that its damaged, you dont immediately say they swapped em out, start a f*cking thread saying what a thief or scum bag someone is. I couldn't physically see these before I bought them. Therefore i had to buy them unseen. When they got here I immediately told him I was sending them back. Then this sh*t comes up.
This all could have been avoided if he would have been a good seller and said no problem ship em back. But he had to go off and call me a theif and a liar...
Its anyone's guess how those holes got there.
Yall decide.
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