82tarecaro

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Yes the pics tell the whole story.

Joe Tag

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That is what I don't understand. Why does he still have vendor status after already being banned once for his shenanigans. I guess it really doesn't matter to those in charge, as long as you pay your fees.
I say put matters like this up to a poll. If he has truly taken care of his customers as he says, it should not be an issue. A trial by a jury of your "peers". In quotes because I really don't want to lump him in with the rest of the members. I have had nothing but good experiences buying from them.

JT

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To briefly clarify a few things. 1) We are looking into the concerns that have been raised. 2) Thirdgencustom was not banned for past "shenanigans" in the sense of bad transactions with members - atleast not to my knowledge. 3) Vendors are not immune to being held accountable, or following our ToU, just because they pay their fees.

I'm keeping this short but wanted to clarify a few of the above things and acknowledge that we are looking into the concerns.

Thanks.

Restrorob

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What I'm wondering is....... Why you guys (Joe and Chris), Along with other members that have had bad deals (which I'm sure there's more) with TGC haven't used the I-Trader feedback system and left appropriate feedback ?

Threads like this fall to the back pages while the I-Trader stays under the user name, This lets other members see up front without hunting what they may be in for......

Joe Tag

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I wondered that myself.To be honest, my deal was made through texts and there is no thread to relate it to. I PM'd JT in response to his post here and told him that last night, I didn't get a response yet. I'm not sure if I CAN leave feedback or not, but I was dropping a hint then and now. hint hint........ I will if I can do it and be within TGO rules. I try to do things as honestly as I can and stay within the rules and guidelines here. Obviously, the I-trader system is not used to it's potential here. He only has a feedback of 5 transactions, which I am certain he has had many more sales here. Whether they are good or bad.

Barlow8869

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ok guys, this is getting silly ... the people that did not even order or buy anything from him really should not be bashing him on here unless you are the husband or wife of the buyer maybe. if you do not want to order from this seller, then do not order. bashing someone you never dealt with is a little out of line, imo, and is not needed in a thread used by the buyers to inform people of the experience they had with a seller ... what some of you are doing would be like one of you buying an ebay item you are not happy with, then 5 of you leaving bad feedback for it ... this is in no way directed to those that ordered and were unhappy with what the got, but come on people, dont leave feedback for something you didnt even buy, it really isn't fair imo

82tarecaro

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I never left negative feedback for him because I was trying to resolve things amicably. I eventually got what I ordered, just a few months later - and it was a small part. But he does always seem to have excuses. I am not sure his intentions were mail fraud, but there have been several instances where someone got something seriously not as described. It sounded like a few months ago he realized his errors and would change his business practices but I guess not. Barlow - i think fair is letting people know they are taking a chance when dealing with him. I haven't really commented much here but I dealt with him before, would not again, and cringe every time I see a post on the board asking him about a part. Most of the time I try to purchase from well respected parts guys here - John in RI and Dave the Turbocast guy come to mind. Occasionally I get desperate and give someone else a try if it is a tough to find part. But if you are spending big bucks - do your research and check the guy out.

Barlow8869

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82tarecaro, i agree, it is fair to let people know about your dealings with any vender, good or bad ... i was only talking to the people that have not had dealings with this vendor ... anyone that has a deal with him should feel welcome to post thoughts about the transaction, imo

and on a somewhat related note, how do i give someone a classified rating on here, i have gotten 2 products from members here.

Joe Tag

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Click on the number in their rating and follow the prompts after selecting leave feedback.



edit: probably why more feedback is not left on sales, it isn't very easy to figure out how to do so

Restrorob

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Barlow..... IMO, One doesn't have to make a purchase before letting others know what kind of experience they had conversing with and TRYING to make a purchase with said person/vender/store etc.....

Going back and forth for nearly 2 months waiting for a pic of a part (NEVER buy used parts without seeing pics) and getting excuse after excuse, Missing out on other sales waiting for someone is NOT acceptable.....

Barlow8869

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Restrorob, i agree ... that is why in post #108 it says "dealings with" ... i may have misspoken when i said "did not even order or buy anything" in post # 106, but it also says " bashing someone you never dealt with is a little out of line". giving personal knowledge and experiences you have with a vender in a thread like this should be fine, imo. i was only trying to say, if you dont have first hand knowledge about the vender, it should not be ok to bash a vender based off of someone else's experiences. that is just my opinion.

Joe Tag

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I have been accused of being a liar by this person once again, and my feedback is being questioned as false. This literally adds insult to injury, so I will post the screenshots I promised. I have nearly 20 but I will keep it to the description and promises of being delivered to UPS. Not only will he lie to you, he will lie about you apparently. The problem with telling lies is you have to remember them. I have no reason to lie to make myself look good or him look bad.









This last text was on the 30th of Aug. I didn't receive my hood until the 20th of Sept. Again, I call I was patient and polite through the whole ordeal as you can see by my conversation and the date stamps. Not only did he not take it to UPS as promised, he couldn't even take the time to write glass on it when he had it picked up.

J. Chris Davis

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Pretty close to how my private message chats went with him on here. I thought about posting it, but it would take up alot of room on this thread. If he persists with anything, then I will highly consider doing it. He offered me another fender, but I told him I was going elsewhere for one and did not want it. So far other than that he has left me alone.

bigred16

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This has a very familiar tone to it. Mine went about the same way.

Joe Tag

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I have apparently "taken one for the team" by leaving feedback. He left negative feedback for me claiming I have lied (my claims proven here), and was rude in my dealings with him(seriously? again proven false in the texts above)
In case there is any doubt whether I was provided a real GM hood as described.......
This is a true NOS GM hood.

Here is a close up of the sticker.

This is the hood Jason sent me.

For future reference, if you look at a hood and the two center holes for the louvers are not punched out, it is an aftermarket. I have seen my fair share of them in the hunt for a hood, and all only had the 6 holes around the outside, but no holes in the center.

project89

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are u 100% sure on those center holes? im replacing the hood on my iroc anyways , it only has the 6 holes, but im pretty darn sure the car is 100% original

just curious about it now

Joe Tag

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I can't be 100% sure that every aftermarket hood does not have them. The ones I have dealt with do not. What I would be 100% on in your case is GM would not send a car out having to cut 2 studs off to mount the louvers. I am also positive that every hood I have seen that is GM has those holes. Take it for what it's worth. I am open to anyone posting pics of a hood with factory emissions and vacuum hose routing sticker, or a GM part # sticker like the one above to disprove this. But they sell the first 2 as replicas as well.

project89

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cool thanks for the very useful information , now i have to wonder what else on my car body wise was replaced

J. Chris Davis

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Ok, so this guy is starting to get on my nerves. This is our conversation. Basically I am no longer going out of my way for him and at this point he needs to be banned from here and def not a vendor. This was the communication:

From: eaglesproducts@gmail.com
To: davis_jc@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Credit card
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 13:55:00 -0800


no I sent you the refund through PayPal

Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE device



------ Original message------
From: Chris Davis
Date: Mon, 12/16/2013 10:28 AM
To: Jason Seiler;
Subject:RE: Credit card

Contacting my card company was how I got the refund. Why would I reverse that? If you did another refund then it is up to you to fix that. I had already told you that I had my card company refund it when I did it.

Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2013 23:22:46 -0500
Subject: Credit card
From: eaglesproducts@gmail.com
To: davis_jc@hotmail.com

You need to contact your credit card company and let them know you have already been refunded the money. Because they're still trying to get a credit back to the card. Please resolve this . Thank you have a great holiday and a safe one.

J. Chris Davis

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After he just threatened me with black mail becuase he screwed up this was my last email to him and I will ignore all others at this point. the guy is a crook.

I have had it with you. You are a liar and a cheat. Do not sit there and try to threaten me. I told you I had my credit card company reverse the charge. If you did it again that is not my problem. You can get it reversed. I am no longer going out of my way to fix your **** ups. I will be posting right now on 3rd gen how you just tried to threaten me. That is blackmail and illegal.


Edit: If I get banned or negative feedback for this then so be it. I do not want to be a member of a community when they allow vendors like this on here.

J. Chris Davis

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This was the email where he had put that threat in. Apparently he had sent me 3 emails in a row.

eaglesproducts@gmail.com (eaglesproducts@gmail.com)
Add to contacts
3:54 PM
To: davis_jc@hotmail.com

payPal is disputing it with them I'll just post on 3rd gen you trying to get double refund

Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE device ------ Original message------ From: Chris Davis Date: Mon, 12/16/2013 10:

Thirdgencustom

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Yes you where refunded.Now trying to get another refund on your card.
Nov 30, 2013 Refund Completed ... -$100.00 USD $2.90 USD -$97.10 USD

Sent to:
John Davis
Email:
davis_jc@hotmail.com
Total amount:
-$100.00 USD
Fee amount:
$2.90 USD
Net amount:
-$97.10 USD

Date:
Nov 30, 2013
Time:
05:03:45 PST
Status:
Completed

Subject:
You have sent $100.00 USD to John Davis with PayPal

Thirdgencustom

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I did not threatened you,Told you I would post on site,Sorry if you took it that way.
I went out my way for you.And now your trying to get double refund out of me.You sent or called c card after your refund was allready posted, I tryed to do this like man,But you want to post things and lies on here.We are growing up's.Please act like one,
Have a great day.Merry xmas and safe new year,

J. Chris Davis

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That is an out right lie. I called my card company well before you did anything. I called them as soon as I received that second fender. So how could you have refunded before I did that huh? I am posting here because you threatened to post on here that I was trying to get a double refund. That is a second lie. I told you if you refunded after I had already called my c.c. company that it was your problem to fix. I have been the one going out of my way with that first fender getting it set up with the post office for the return. What have you done to go out of your way for me at all? Keep telling me day after day the fender shipped when it did not. I will call my credit card company right now and see if there is a second refund. Again me going out of my way here, not you.

Just got off the phone with them. There were two refunds, because you didn't listen to me at all when I said I had reversed the charge. That date of my reversal by the way was November 26th. You will see it I would think in a week or so. I really don't know. It's being reversed though is what my c.c. company said. So how am I trying to take a double refund again?? Go away and don't come back...

Restrorob

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Jason dude...... That is a threat, A threat to tarnishing Chris's reputation just like you did Joe's with the BS lie'n feedback......

The more you post the bigger lair your making yourself out to be, You really need to give up and look in the mirror...... A REAL man doesn't stoop as low as you have.....

Joe Tag

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Yeah, he went out of his way for me too. I guess his way is not refunding and sending more junk. He went out of his way by refunding hard earned money that was out for a month with no usable product.

bigred16

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Evidently he has never heard the saying, The customer is always right, even when the customer is wrong, the customer is always right. Keep bashing your "customers", you'll get what you are asking for.

onthedownlow

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It really is too bad. Being a third gen owner I am always looking for that particular seller that can get me the hard to find pieces I need for my build. Hard to find good honest sellers in the internet age. Thankfully I have a few solid sellers that keep my project going onward and upward.

J. Chris Davis

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So I found this post of the fool trying to make me look like I was trying to rip HIM off. Is there anything that can be done to get this crook banned.


https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/clas...rying-get.html

Joe Tag

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JT admitted catching him in lies with the info I posted. There are clear examples proven here of his bad practices, yet no action taken. The guy is on here stronger than ever, posting more lies and smearing his customers reputations in retaliation for them expecting what they deserve, good service from a vendor. I did my part to relay my experience with him and took a bullet for it. The smear on my name means nothing, I don't sell here. Buyers seeing bad feedback for him however will possibly think twice. This place is messed up and I'm glad I'm pretty much done with the parts I have to buy for my car.

JT

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I had asked one of the volunteer staff here, who also volunteered to help on this, with contacting a few directly and getting some information directly so that a better case could be presented. I also wanted to give the vendor a chance to respond to us in regard to those specific cases. That is only fair. I have not heard back on that but I think the holidays are a time when things take more time as people do have family.

One of the things you mentioned as being a lie was that you were told the hood was new. Once you supplied some information of the text messages, I noticed that the vendor did say new but also, quickly, followed that comment up with a "been on car but more or less". You also mentioned shipping time as being a lie, and when I asked for information on that (which was not in the text messages), you again got upset with me for asking questions. I was also hoping to see pictures of the front of the hood that shown the rust that you indicated but you said you didn't have any pictures of that.

I understand you are upset due to issues with this transaction and I have tried to keep that in mind. You had contacted us, first, and when I tried asking key questions you said you felt you was the one on trial and it appeared you was taking issue for having to supply information. It was/is a bit more difficult to do some investigating and do a proper case when it's not going as smoothly as it could.

There is a do process and gathering information and getting some response from both sides is only fair. We didn't get all the necessary information with your case (pictures of the hood showing the problem rust, where the shipping times was lied about - since your posted text messages did say to take his time). While your information was not complete and would have been better had it been more complete and a little less critical of those you contacted who where trying to help, what you did supply will help.

Thanks for your time.

J. Chris Davis

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I noticed he is posting alot more now too. I just don't like my name being smeared, becuase I am a member of other communities and what he is doing is wrong on so many levels. I still have a few parts I'm needing to find, but I may just stick with Ebay since that seemed to be safer for me. Not to mention I'm more protected against fraud there. I read where JT said he was not banned. I did some research and he had another user name it would appear under oramac91 that was banned April of this year.

JT

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This was raised before and I'll clarify. We generally only allow one active account as a vendor. The vendor had a personal and business account but was using both accounts - especially when the vendor's account was temporary banned. The vendor's account was temporary banned due to payment issues. It is standard practice for accounting to ban vendor accounts that aren't active. The accounts were not banned for any known issues beyond that.

J. Chris Davis

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Ok I understand.

Joe Tag

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The info provided was all I had at hand. I changed phones in the middle of my dealings with him and deleted my conversation on the current phone. Him stating on the 30th of August that he would box it up may not be a direct statement of shipping it out, but it sure implies it. I didn't receive the hood until 3 weeks later, and only after I filed a claim against him as others have experienced. I told you it may be possible for me to retrieve later texts from my carrier, but I'm not paying to do so. I did state that I felt I was being on trial because of the timing in relation to my feedback. When you said it was in order to gather information for your looking into the case, I had no problem providing it. I didn't take pictures of the hood when I looked at it at UPS dispatch. I never took possession of the hood. I was disgusted with another setback, another damaged item after promises to assure it would be safe. The methods of prevention promised were not taken. I'm not so much upset with my transaction with him as the fact that it continues to happen to others. Mine is water under the bridge. I have a hood that was exactly as described from a member here and couldn't be happier.

Joe Tag

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In anticipation of questioning the timing of the dispute and the part being shipped, refer to post #39 on 9/23/13 and a screenshot of ALL of my closed cases with paypal resolution center in the past 6 months on a 10 year account. I am not one to leave bad feedback or open a case on a whim as you can see by him being the only one.

KYLE87

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I have had a problem with this guy before as well. I paid and he never shipped. This was at the beginning of the year. I eventually got my money refunded and he promised "free parts".

I hit him up on the free part thing in november, After trying to decipher his broken up sentences. Asking several questions and not getting a direct answer numerous times. Finally got it figured out between him telling me to text him or give him a call, which I don't understand why, I told you what I need why do you need me to give you a call, I assume hes trying to hide a paper trail or lying in print. Anyways, after playing that game he wanted money for shipping of the free part, I sent him a small amount before the holidays and kept waiting to hear it was shipped and still hadn't heard anything. I finally messaged him today and just asked him to return my shipping money. He said he was going to but has yet to do so. My advice to everyone is to stay away. This guy has lots of parts, but Its not worth the games/lies to get them. He says he had a death in the family which could be true, but with his lies and track record of excuses, there comes a point in time you haft to call B/S.

onthedownlow

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The run around.... that is all.