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Need new lower door roller bushings, where to get?
I just disassembled my doors for paint and the roller bushings are shot. I removed them but realized my rebuild kits don't come with the roller bushings. The only ones I can find are on hawks or TDS. But the pins look very short... the OE are much longer.. and look like the pins that I will be replacing.
I need new ones, the correct long ones. Any links?
Re: Need new lower door roller bushings, where to get?
I got my rollers and pins from my gm dealer as my kits didn't include them as well. You leave the long pin in place and just replace the short one and roller.
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I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing.
The upper hinges have 2 short bolts with bushings. The lower hinges have 2 long pins, 1 pin has 2 small bushings and uses a small clip to stay in. The other long pin is pressed in and has the roller on the top where the lever and spring ride along it. this pin is all one piece I believe. I had removed this pin completely.
Unless the roller is held on via a small pin on the top... in which case I screwed up lol... but would have no idea how to remove the small pin and roller. I guess I could tap the large pin back in place and weld the pin in to secure it and then replace the bushing.
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Originally Posted by cmichael
I got my rollers and pins from my gm dealer as my kits didn't include them as well. You leave the long pin in place and just replace the short one and roller.
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I don't remember how much the pins and rollers were. They was fairly cheap. To get the small pin out I simply cut off the roller with a cut off tool. Then I heated the long pin body with a torch and pulled the short pins out with vice grips and a hammer. I had to tack weld the long pin on the bottom do to it not fitting tight in the hinge.
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I used the Dorman # 38433 roller for a chevy truck. Had to drill out the hole since the shaft is a larger diameter, cut the shaft shorter, press it in, then tack weld it for insurance
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Originally Posted by kauboy
I used the Dorman # 38433 roller for a chevy truck. Had to drill out the hole since the shaft is a larger diameter, cut the shaft shorter, press it in, then tack weld it for insurance
Man I wish I had found this a couple of days ago. Just dropped a bill for the lower inner hinge. However, mine had a little slop in the bushing holes so it's probably best for the drivers side. I'll keep that part number for the passengers side though.
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So guys thanks for the info.
I have a huge issue. I got the new rollers and pins but realized that my donor doors hinges are really bad. The large pin (that the small pin and roller bushing fit into was worn on one side, then I tried to get the small pin out and its not coming out at all. Ive shredded the large pin trying to pound out the small pin. I have no idea what to do at this point. I'm trying to find new "large Pins" that I can just press in my new roller bushings and small pins but finding none.
the Dorman 38433 above comes with a new roller bushing? all I have to do is drill out the holes in in the lower hinge and then shorten the pin and weld it in?
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Originally Posted by customblackbird
So guys thanks for the info.
I have a huge issue. I got the new rollers and pins but realized that my donor doors hinges are really bad. The large pin (that the small pin and roller bushing fit into was worn on one side, then I tried to get the small pin out and its not coming out at all. Ive shredded the large pin trying to pound out the small pin. I have no idea what to do at this point. I'm trying to find new "large Pins" that I can just press in my new roller bushings and small pins but finding none.
the Dorman 38433 above comes with a new roller bushing? all I have to do is drill out the holes in in the lower hinge and then shorten the pin and weld it in?
This has turned into a nightmare.
I feel your pain... Literally, you should see all the scrapes on my arms and knuckles from two weeks of "door repairs" lol. However big of a nightmare it may seem, if you do it right you will be soooo glad. I could not believe how much difference it made in the ride of my car. Rattles, vibrations are so much less and the car feels solid again. I also replaced my door seals and strikers which helped too.
I looked at a truck the 38443 kit is designed for and while it may work is certainly a different diameter roller. I am not concerned with the pin diameter or length, just the roller OD. I didn't think it would be a good match because the roller itself appeared to be a smaller OD. I felt that after going through all this work I didn't want it to fail prematurely.
I ended up just buying the lower, body hinge from Hawks. Yeah it's a little pricy but for the drivers door (mine!) I wanted it to be right. I'm glad I did now. One tip if you go this route, check the front hole in the lower strap against the original. This is the un-threaded hole you access from the door jam. The one I bought was off by about 1/8". Doesn't sound like much but these cars have zero door adjustment and it made the rear of my door too high. Of course it took a while to figure it out. I just took my die grinder and slotted the hole to match the original.
Last edited by antman89iroc; 04-10-2015 at 07:26 AM.
Re: Need new lower door roller bushings, where to get?
Originally Posted by antman89iroc
I feel your pain... Literally, you should see all the scrapes on my arms and knuckles from two weeks of "door repairs" lol. However big of a nightmare it may seem, if you do it right you will be soooo glad. I could not believe how much difference it made in the ride of my car. Rattles, vibrations are so much less and the car feels solid again. I also replaced my door seals and strikers which helped too.
I looked at a truck the 38443 kit is designed for and while it may work is certainly a different diameter roller. I am not concerned with the pin diameter or length, just the roller OD. I didn't think it would be a good match because the roller itself appeared to be a smaller OD. I felt that after going through all this work I didn't want it to fail prematurely.
I ended up just buying the lower, body hinge from Hawks. Yeah it's a little pricy but for the drivers door (mine!) I wanted it to be right. I'm glad I did now. One tip if you go this route, check the front hole in the lower strap against the original. This is the un-threaded hole you access from the door jam. The one I bought was off by about 1/8". Doesn't sound like much but these cars have zero door adjustment and it made the rear of my door too high. Of course it took a while to figure it out. I just took my die grinder and slotted the hole to match the original.
I agree, I was worried about the roller DIA between the 2. I just found and purchased both pins so I won't have to try to salvage mine. I hope the hinges are decent and didn't seem that bad taking them apart. Figure it would prob be the last time I do this as the car will never be a daily driver again.
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old & new / look at the small end / needs to be turned down for setting the height for the roller wheel / or you can drill the hinge to fit the pin / it cost me $20. to turn down pins {2 pins}
old & all the new parts from chevy dealer
New lower pin has been turned down
this is the way it goes together
lower pin #14030534 / description #W4220DPIN ...
roller #20058035 /description #RU212DROLLER ...
small pin #20262500 /description #RU407D [S]PIN
Here is the new pin installed in the hinge
Then I installed the pin & roller in the new pin
I used my vise to do the pressing
Door roller pin replacement parts.
Get the parts at your CHEVY DEALER.
It comes in 3 parts. Part numbers are.
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Originally Posted by customblackbird
Ebay and all over the net, genuine GM part number 14030534. Got them both for $24 shipped.
Originally Posted by I rock 88
old & new / look at the small end / needs to be turned down for setting the height for the roller wheel / or you can drill the hinge to fit the pin / it cost me $20. to turn down pins {2 pins}
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You can get the upper hinges pins at most any auto parts store,any were $6 to $10
There is some work getting them out.
I did both doors.
I used a engine host to hold up the door.
I put the arm on the host all the way out and used 2 straps to carry the weight of the door worked very good..
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Originally Posted by skinny z
Great info.
Now what's the scoop for the upper hinges?
Yeah great job on the lower roller write up. Even if you pay retail for the parts it's still less expensive than a lower inner strap. If yours is in otherwise good condition it's worth the effort.
For the top hinges I used Dorman kit 38401. It includes the top replacement pins and bushings as well as the lower pin and bushings. You'll need one kit for each door.
To hold up the door I made a cradle from left over robotic extrusions I got from work. But the same basic frame could be constructed from lumber. It makes is soooo much better to have a secure way to hold the door. Here's how it is laid out.
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Originally Posted by I rock 88
You can get the upper hinges pins at most any auto parts store...
I used a engine host to hold up the door.
I've used the engine hoist method in the past for door replacement. Also used a floor jack with a cradle fashioned to hold the door.
Originally Posted by antman89iroc
For the top hinges I used Dorman kit 38401. It includes the top replacement pins and bushings as well as the lower pin and bushings. You'll need one kit for each door.
...I made a cradle from left over robotic extrusions I got from work...
Yeah, I've seen the upper pins are readily available. Thanks for the part numbers.
I've plenty of that extrusion at work too. Ours is made by Bosch. (I've spent years working in an automation shop as an electrican and we use use it for our work cell frames and guarding...not cheap though). Interesting.
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That is correct all the parts in the photo will fix ONE DOOR.
The door cradle that is shown in the photos will work good also.
But with the engine host you can move the door up & down or any other way easy.
just a thought.
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I also have access to a "Genie Lift". The style that the sheetmetal workers use to raise up ductwork and such. Very versatile. I'd use my engine hoist but it's 2500 miles across the country in my old shop...
Although it's said that the work can be done with doors on (which I imagine isn't easy) I have some detailing to do on the doors themselves so removing them is the way to go.
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The hinges should be unbolted fRom the door frame. I did the first one with the body straps still attached and was very difficult to get the pins in. Removing them from the body makes it much easier. I didn't disconnect the wiring so i had to work in the jam but it wasn't too difficult. I taped and covered my door with some card board to prevent scratches. I was pleased to see how much room the wiring allowed me to swing the door open for access. If you have the door on the work beach it would make some of the repair easier but at some point you gotta put it back on the car so working in the jam is inevitable.
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I just received both new lower pins. Looks like I'm ready to rock!
THanks for the info Iroc88. Great info. I think I light just drill out the hinge As I don't have a shop to turn down the pins around me. My worry with that is that then the pin doesn't rest down on the hinge or maybe I'll grind it by hand on a grinding wheel… who knows! I would just throw a tack weld on the bottom and call it a day. Since the bolt doesn't really keep the hinge from pulling apart I don't fee like its supporting much weight but the pivot bushing and lever/spring.
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Originally Posted by customblackbird
. I think I might just drill out the hinge as I don't have a shop to turn down the pins....
I have the facilities to turn down the pins however going the drilled out route is certainly easier.
Post back on how that works out for you. I'm interested to know.
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I have a suggestion to those replacing the detent roller and pin. My suggestion requires access to a welder. I take off the inner door half of the lower hinge, then mount it in a bench vise. Grind off the head of the pin and remove the roller. I then use a dremel tool and a fiber-reinforced metal cutoff blade to slice into the larger column that the detent pin is pressed into. I slice it down to the level of the detent pin. This relieves pressure on the pin and allows it to be pulled out MUCH easier. Next place the detent pin into the bench vise leaving just enough room to pry between the vise jaw and the shoulder of the column that the pin is pressed into. Next I use the pry bar that comes with the lower pin removal tool I sell to pry out the detent pin from the column. Next weld the slot in the column you created earlier and grind the OD back to the original size. Paint the lower hinge assy if you desire. Now you are ready to press the new detent pin and roller into the column. The protrusion of the roller goes down (against the column). Press in the detent pin making sure you don't press it in too far. Keep checking the roller to make sure it is still free to rotate as you press in the pin. I've tried heating the column before prying and still had problems. This method is far easier, but it does require using a welder.
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I just got done finishing up the hinges... but I'm not sure of the tq spec for the upper hinge bolts. Does anyone know what the spec should be?
I ended up grinding the pin down to the stock DIA and inserting it in the OEM hole. Then stuck 2 tack welds each to hold it still. And then assembled the rollers and pressed them in with my 12 ton press. I lubed the roller and pin up heavily with Lucas red and tacky (grease with antiseize properties) and put alot of antiseize on the roller pin before pressing it in. I left about .025" clearance between the pin and roller. I got it all together and tightened down the upper hinge bolts but only till they stopped moving freely and then backed off alittle. I just painted the doors a few hours before doing the hinges so next is assembling them with new handles, locks, and weather stripping.
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I'll copy the page in the GM service manual and post it.
I'm not sure what rivets you're referring to. On my 86 Coupe the top hinge attaches to the A-pillar with 3 bolts from the outside. That's the spec I listed.
The bottom hinge has 2 bolts from the inside.
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Oh, your talking about the door bolts. Im referring to the upper hinge on the door, the old hinge was attached to the upper door hinge side with a large button head rivet and used a bushing on the inside. Originally OEM riveted this together but you have to cut the rivet off to service it and replace the bushings, then the repair kits replace the rivets with large button head bolts and nuts to reinstall. I want to know how tight to make those new bolts.
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Just wanted to post pics of the finished setup!
Here are the new pins and rollers and fully rebuilt hinges installed on the door.
Here are the hinges after pressing in the new roller pins. You can see how far they stick out at the bottom, but shouldn't be a problem as there is nothing there to interfere with. Hopefully the 2 tack welds will keep the pin from moving up or down. It was kinda annoying getting the height of the pin the same as the OEM pin was but Hopefully it worked out good.
Other door
And just for $hits and giggles my freshly painted doors and new color of my car. Top is a summit single stage medium charcoal metallic. I also have clear that I might spray on. The underside of the door (besides the outside skin is staying the semi flat primer as I like the contrast of the 2 colors (you can see the black in all the pics). ITs a real nice color and can't wait to be able to start shooting the other parts and car over the next few months.
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Nice color.
Hey let us know how the rollers on the lower hinge hold up. I replaced my drivers door inner hinge (the one with the detent roller) and now after about 2 weeks of use I noticed the roller is cocked and starting to squeak. Heck the one I took off was about the same so I'm not happy. Going to see if there is any recourse with the vendor.
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Will do, won't be for a while but I'll update the thread.
Im alittle worried about that as well, the pin has .025" clearance but I can **** the roller by hand on the pin after I pressed it in. Seems like the pin and bushing have clearance thats causes this?
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Originally Posted by customblackbird
Will do, won't be for a while but I'll update the thread.
Im alittle worried about that as well, the pin has .025" clearance but I can **** the roller by hand on the pin after I pressed it in. Seems like the pin and bushing have clearance thats causes this?
Yeah I just checked mine. It seems the roller pin has "walked" out of the main pin about .250". I relieved the spring tension and was able to "tap" the small pin back into the larger pin. It shouldn't have moved so easily. Anyway, I don't know what the fix is here but it's gonna keep happening if I don't do something. It really ticks me off because the roller is the reason I replaced the whole strap. I spent the money to not have to mess with it. lol. Not funny but whaddya do?
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That's no good man, I'd be pulling the lower hinges and replacing the large pin at least. I needed a press to get the small pins in mine... I couldn't even get the small pin in with a hammer.
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Originally Posted by I rock 88
you will need to turn down the small end of the pin or drill the hinge to fit the pin. I had the pin turned down $20. for 2 pins
Originally Posted by customblackbird
If you had turned down the pins as posted above, would that have solved the "height" issue? (Assuming the pins were turned down exactly as the originals).
Nice job by the way. Looks good.
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Originally Posted by I rock 88
If you find the post I did it will show the part numbers of the pins.
I got them from Chevy dealer.
It is a 3 part pin replacement.
Looks good
Yeah. I took the numbers to my GM dealer and ordered them.
Thanks.
I work at a machine shop so I'll turn the pins like you did. My question to the OP was regarding how he had a hard time getting the new pins to match the "height" (which he didn't turn down but rather enlarged the hole to accept the larger diameter) and whether or not this is what caused the trouble. There would be no shoulder for the pin to stop against. I take it you didn't have a problem with the height of the roller.
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I had the shop turn down the new pin.
When I went to the shop I gave them the old pin and the hinge.
They used the old pin to get the measurements they need to match the old pin.
I will add one more thing to do.
Look at the short pin that holds the roller wheel.
When I put the first one together the short pin goes in hard.
I think it is just a little to long.
On my next one I will remove about 1/8" or so it can be a little bit tighter.
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Glad I found this thread.
I have a question, I have seen in different places on the net about the bushing flange on the roller wheel facing down towards the big pin. But the posted above did it the other way?
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So my hinges are worn out and I need tackle this job. This thread makes getting started really simple but there is one thing that I don't understand. It seems you guys recommend GM PN 14030534. Is this pin a direct replacement pin for third gens or is it a universal fit pin? IF it's a direct replacement for third gens, why would you have to have the small side "turned down" as you describe it? Also, if that's case, does anyone else make a direct replacement pin that doesn't need to be turned down?
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I turned down the pins by hand… only because Im cheap and I don't know a machinist to do the work in my area.
The pin height was a problem as I had to turn the pins down or enlarge the OEM hinges to accept the new larger DIA pins. I decided to turn the pins down vs enlarging the holes. Mainly bc I liked that there is a step to keep the pin from being pushed down farther. Although prob not a problem as the pin basically only see's side forces.
I put the bushing how I was told by the guy who sold them to me from ebay.
I was not able to find a pin that didn't require to be turned down. I bought genuine GM parts that were supposedly the OEM pin for our cars and I still had to grind the pin down to allow it to go far enough in the hinge so the top roller busing was aligned with the door pivot guide.
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Well I really appreciate the info. It seems kind of nonsensical that no one makes a direct replacement pin. But oh well. I found all of the parts on amazon and this is officially on my to do list.
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Originally Posted by gormant1
Well I really appreciate the info. It seems kind of nonsensical that no one makes a direct replacement pin. But oh well. I found all of the parts on amazon and this is officially on my to do list.
I bought those pins and plan to modify them to fit our thirdgen F-bodies. I'll let you all know when I have them done and available for purchase on the Top-Down Solutions Web site.
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