V8Broski

I have a 1991 Canaro RS and anytime the car is started. it reeks of gas. I was taking apart the engine so i could pull it and I noticed the oxygen sensor is broken. is this why it smelt like gas so badly? I want the recall ether way. So is it still honored?

kd5bwp

The recall is good for life as long as the camaro or firebird or z28 fall within the vin range and year and the OE tank wasn't damage in a wreck.
Post back if you have any questions. There's a complete thread about the gas tank. I had mine done two years ago for free. Only thing I paid for was a new pump since the tank was already out of the car.

navy02ws6

Really? I was told recently by a dealer that they weren't honoring recalls of any type for any Pontiac since the division had gone out of business...pretty sure the recall was never done on my '91 T/A either, and I've got a tank full of extremely foul 7 year old gas I'd like to get rid of...

kd5bwp

GM Discontinued Pontiac, they GM still own that disvision and still honor current warranties on those cars. Per federal law they still have to provide 10 complete years of all parts per the last car produced under that name. Their Condition to accepting federal bail out money or TARP they had to honor all warrenties and recalls. Just because that division is no loner in production within GM it doesn't resolve them of federal recalls. Since GM was the parent company they still have to fix the car.
It would be no different with Saturn, GMC, Pontiac, Hummer, Oldsmobile. They were all sold at GM Dealerships and GM was the parent company.
Recalls are pretty hard to become exempt from, unless the parent company is 100% gone and wasn't bought out then you would be screwed.
Just fyi the service manager was blowing smoke because they didn't want to do the required job. Reason the try to blow off warrenty repairs or recalls is because they get paid almost nothing on commission, they get paid the most when a customer pays out of pocket. All these cars under this recall were all made on the same plant but have only differnt stickers and badges attached to them when the roll to the showroom floor.

kd5bwp

https://www.pontiac.com
https://www.pontiac.com/toolbar/contact_us.html
http://www.pontiac.com/toolbar/dealer_locator.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General...reorganization

Normal operations, including employee compensation, warranties, and other customer service were uninterrupted during the bankruptcy proceedings. On July 10, 2009, a new entity completed the purchase of continuing operations, assets and trademarks of GM as a part of the 'pre-packaged' Chapter 11 reorganization.

http://www.pontiac.com/owners/owner_.../warranty.html
When you Click learn more it bring you to this web site.
http://www.gm.com/toolbar/faqs/warranty.html
Still honored by GM. I would tell that service manager to shove it and tell him to fix it and do his job.

In other words the above GM is still GM because it purchased old GM to become new GM. I had the same argument and problem until I showed and educated the service manager and even showed him the Pontiac Bill Board on the front of his deanship.

https://www.pontiac.com
Even on the web site is says this about the used cars. "Great news — your Vibe could still be covered by our 100,000-Mile/5-Year Transferable Powertrain Limited Warranty,* plus Roadside Assistance and Courtesy Transportation Programs.
*From original in-service date. Whichever comes first. See dealer for details."

mantaguy

iTrader: (5)

It was recalled for the filler neck,not for a cracked O2sensor.

kd5bwp

I assume that's what he was asking from the title... but yes 02 sensor is his problem. Now I wonder if OP demanded a new 02 sensor lol.

V8Broski

Umm.. i know that! I asked if it was because of the Oxygen Sensor, that my car smelt like gas or if it was because of the recall problem. I also asked if it was still honored because ether way I'm getting it done. I know it was recalled because of the filler neck. I know someone in the service department at a Chevy dealer and I'm gonna talk to them and get my tank and pump replaced.

TTOP350

iTrader: (8)

A guy on the board just got his tank fixed recently.

Honestly its just as easy to have your tank neck re silver soldered at a local rad shop. I would try to get a nice tank from ANY 91-2 car because they have a nice baffle like the 1LEs do.

V8Broski

Calm down. I didn't say i got the recall done. Why are you so defensive? Why are you so hyper? Also theres plenty of people on the forum who have got this done without knowing somebody. Why do you feel the need to come on here and act like a baby and get all frustrated? Why did this post even consern you? if your just on here to rant about how the recall doesn't work anymore then what's the point in talking to you? Be pissy for ABSOLUTLY no reason, I just don't care anymore. Pathetic that your going out of your way to pick on me and make sure I'm not happy because your clearly not happy yourself. The first response you have says it all. Your so determined to get it threw my head that the recalls no good. What the F*** did any of this have to do with you? I tried to say this as respectfully as possible and i don't start fights, I end them. This is over. I don't wish to get on trouble on this site or be banned or anything stupid, just because your acting like this. I'm done talking on this thread. Thanks goodbye

V8Broski

Last thing. Can the moderators Lock this thread? I don't want any problems, there should be mutual respect between all members and no fighting we are all here for the same purpose. I'm just one third gen owner trying to fix his car. Thanks

MadCelt

Bullcrap. A couple months ago I walked into Starling Chevrolet in Deland FL and inquired about the tank on my 92. They punched my vin into the computer and filled out the service request right there. I had the recall notices, a print from the NHTSA showing safety recalls were 'lifetime', everything. I didn't need any of it. The dealer jumped right on it for me. The only PIA part is that since GM doesn't MAKE the gsa tanks any more, they took a long time tracking one down. I could have provided one and they would have installed for free, but chose to wait and let them find one for me.

There is this little thing called the NHTSA that dictates whether or not they have to honor an old recall. You can troll all you want but that does not change the law.

You also realize of course, that dealers get reimbursed for the work they do by GM whenever they do work on an active recall? So why would they NOT want the work again? LOL. Safety recalls are active for ever and always as long as the car was eligible when the recall came out.

Get your facts straight.

kd5bwp

Your an Idiot yes the recall is active for life and further more if you knew about tire recalls they expire 6 years after the date of manufacture of the tire or date of purchase which ever is longer. If you bring in the correct documentation it's quit easy to have the tank replaced. If you just walk in saying you have a problem and don't give them anything but your vin it's going to be uphill because there's nothing to go on or to even prove your car was part of the recall, because GM purges vin info after a certain date I think it's 15 years.

Also FYI I have had the gas tank replaced on my car to for free. It's still active most dealerships are unaware of the federal law that has no time limit on that or they just don't want to have to deal with such an old car. But either way THEY HAVE TO HONOR IT no if ans or butts. If they don't and refuse you can complain and they will be ticked.

To anyone else you don't need to know anyone inside the dealership to get this to go through. But remember every dealership is independently owned and when they do recalls they don't get the full rate per hour as if you were a paying customer. So they will try to turn you away at first to see if you will just give in easily. With proper documentation you won't be turned away.

Another fact most emission states will not let you register your car without getting this fixed and it can't be fixed in your back yard or at a different shop to pass it has to be fixed by the dealership.

BTW all this isn't internet proof it's the law.

white1991rs

What was the reason behind the recall?

kd5bwp

The point where the filler neck and gas tank meet wasn't solder correctly and would leak gas when tank turns or filling. That and the filler neck would have pin holes because it was made of to thin of metal and when punched out on the press to make it into a filler neck would have holes.

Just asking for a fire to happen like the Ford Pintos.

jhainer

so i take it this is why my filler neck comes out Per Maxie Price Chevy in Loganville, Ga Recalls never expire. with my camaro they asked for the vin and told me there is 2 open recalls for it one being the filler neck and second being the seat belts they said just bring it in and drop it off they would take care of it. he wasn't sure on how they would take care of it weather it be resolder the tank or replace it cause he neverr has had to do one but did say it was covered

kd5bwp

I would say so. Just look at the pdf I posted and see if your car is within the vin range for the year make and model. If so then it's due for a free replacement.

jhainer

yea but in most cases it also states this.

In most cases, contractual agreements between a manufacturer and its dealers require all dealers to honor the recall and remedy defects at no extra charge – regardless of where the vehicle or equipment was originally purchased.

88txiroc

Wow... This thread is headed in the wrong direction. Can't we all just get along?

88txiroc

Thread cleaned up and opened due to containing some good info. Do me a favor and stop quoting others unless absolutely necessary. It makes it much more difficult to clean up threads.

Please report any inaccurate info and I will take care of it. Lets keep it civilized and above the belt. There is no need for being rude. If it continues, I will lock AND delete this entire thread. If needed, I will take further action against the offenders and those that keep instigating it.

When quoting other sites (especially when posting about the law), just post a link or copy and paste. That way, there are no misinterpretations.

Thanks!

jhainer

just checking it wasn't anything i had done was it ?

kd5bwp

Hope this all helps:

See attached for the recall for the 91 & 92 Camaro and Firebirds

1991 F-Car Vin# (L) ML100001 - ML200843

1992 F-Car Vin# (L) NL100001 - NL170008

Campaign # 92C36

The orginal thread realting to the gas tank recall.

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/body...call-read.html

kd5bwp

Hope this all helps:

Seat Belt Recall All were effected for

91 F- Car (Coupe) Vin #(L) ML132380 - ML159728

91 F- Car (Conv.) Vin #(L) ML132379 - ML164281

Campaign #91C11

PDF exceed the 1MB limit...

http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/acms/cs...-91V067-NN.PDF



Recall thread relating to the seat belts...

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/inte...lt-recall.html

kd5bwp

Not that I know of different member decided to go off in left field, and cause issues. I e-mailed the Mod hoping they would open the thread because this one and another one have basically the same info but at least the word gets out to get these tanks in these cars fixed under the recall.

I would just say don't respond to the negative if that some person comes back and just mod alert those post so that this thread doesn't get shut down from one bad apple. Even tho we might want to crush and burn that bad apple lol.

MadCelt

Just an addendum....

I JUST (literally, about two minutes ago) called GM at 800-222-1020, and asked a customer service person if the recall was still open. I gave the recall notice number. "Yes sir, it is. Would you like me to check to see if your car is effected?"

IF the dealer says it is expired, closed, no longer valid... ask if you can call GM on one of their lines. Then do so. Follow the menu prompts, and when you get a live person explain the situation.

If the dealer won't let you call from there, call from home. GM WILL skool the dealer.

The only REAL problem is that GM no longer produces nor stocks the replacement tank. They will take FOREVER and a day deciding how to handle that, and eventually produce an aftermarket tank, or give you credit/reimbursement. If it drags on too long, after 6 weeks or so, tell the GM rep you are getting impatient, it's almost 60 days, and you don't want them to make you file a complaint with the NHTSA.

Be firm. Be polite. Be patient (but only just so patient) and even if your dealer is a jerk you WILL be taken care of.

Some people will try to say that the recall expires after ten years... that is incorrect. The ten year clause means that the car can't be over ten years old when the recall is ISSUED.... Our cars were 2-4 years old. After that, the recall is good for the life of the car. That is per the NHTSA, not my cousing, not my cousin's friend at GM, not my brother in law at the Chevy dealer. Even the recall notice itself says "regardless of age, mileage, or ownership."

Yes, some people have had issues. But I have not, and mine was done this year. Stand your ground, don't give up, and don't listen to those who will try to tell you they won't do it, because yes, they will. ;-)

If anyone is having issues getting it done, feel free to contact me and I'll help you.

BOTTLEDZ28

iTrader: (9)

Wow, this is news to me and my 91 is ML188440 so it falls in the range. The only small issue I may have is that my car is modified and I am NOT running a vent line or purge cansiter. Will or can Gm decline to work on my car due to it being modified and missing factory issued parts? In all honesty, I would much rather have them write me a check and let me go and buy the tank myself but I dont think that will fly with the NHTSA. I will call my local dealer tomorrow and get some info.

kd5bwp

Well hmmmm I can't see why they wouldn't replace the tank. Because first the filler neck wouldn't get damaged by not having a purge line but then again you never know what straw a dealership might try to pull.
A way around this would get a fully vented cap (never seen a one vent both ways tho but I've heard of them) then they can't go and say the tank had too much of a vac and caused damage on the tank. Or what others might say put the vent back some how I wouldn't say you have to have the can but some type of vent is needed before I would attempt this.

BOTTLEDZ28

iTrader: (9)

I may try and see if they will just swap out the tank fo rme like some others have had done. My car is currently on jackstands and will be like that for another 5 months or so. This is a great time for me to replace the tank since the rear end needs to come out anyway and I need to replace my cat back. I'll post back tomorrow and let you know what the dealer has to say about filing my VIN as "repaired" if i just bring them my tank.

kd5bwp

This would be a good time to change your fuel pump from tbi to tune port pump. But keep the same regulator. Just gives you options when or if you decided to replace your engine for something else. But ask ask ask before you do anything and get it in writing before you do anything.

BOTTLEDZ28

iTrader: (9)

I am already running a Holley in tank pump but it would be a good idea for me to replace the sending unit since I know the lines coming out of it are showing signs of rust.

kd5bwp

Depends is the part cheap? If is and you said it's rusted... Would be a no brainer to replace the sending unit and possibly the fuel pump sock.

a109driver

I just called GM today, and they told me the recall was expired. I then called the NHTSA, and they also told me it expired in 2004 (after 10 years). I need to get the car fixed soon. It's sitting in the shop with no tank.

Do you have names of the people who honored your recall? Do you have an official document saying that the recall never expires? I can't find anything online showing it expires or it doesn't.

You can reply here or call me if you can help.

Thank, John
503-791-0511

mantaguy

iTrader: (5)

It's not the tank that was recalled!!! It was the filler neck to the tank.

a109driver

They are a single unit. You have to replace the tank in order to replace the filler neck.

mantaguy

iTrader: (5)

Yea your right,check this thread out,he just got a new one 2 months ago.
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/tech...as+tank+recall